Criminal Records checks?
 

Hello PPRuNe, just out of interest, what is the recruitment situation with an airline company if the applicant has a criminal record?
Thank you.

Not sure but im assuming its bad news.

You'll have to define criminal really.

The main issue would be the issuance of an airside pass. Off hand, I'm not familiar with the current legislation, but the inability to secure clearance to be issued a pass would be a stopper.

I think it is only Basic disclosure for airside pass. This will not show any spent convictions.

Try contacting NACRO for advice.

Ask your parole officer?



(Is this really a thread for Professional Pilot Training?).

Criminal Records checks?
 

Am Pretty sure it Depends on what is the crime and since when ??
But most likely its a bad news :=

Good Luck !

Ah so if the airline only require basic disclosure, then there is no need to know about any spent convictions?

From my experience :

The last two I did were full disclosures. I.e showing spent convictions.

As stated it's not normally the airline - it's the airside pass issue, although it is becoming more common for airlines to do background chceks as well.
Most common is now the statement from local police for last 3-5 years saying you were well behaved. I don't know how it worked in the UK because the UK police just took care of it but I spent some time in the US and my understanding meant if you were charged etc but not proven guilty the police still declare this. Not a problem for me but there were other students around who ran into the law. Don't know how that affected the reference if at all though.

On the last one they actually provided the list of convictions which made you ineligible in a list. Unfortunately I no longer have the list but for I do remember that a Class A drug conviction and murder were two of the convictions which were on the list.

All the info is on the disclosure Scotland website. If I recall it goes like this;

Basic disclosure-Shows any unspent convictions.
Standard disclosure-Shows any unspent and spent convictions.
Enhanced Disclosure-As standard disclosure only it gets personally reviewed by a police officer who adds anything else he thinks relevant to the job you are applying for.

The basic you can apply for yourself the other two have to be applied for by the company.

For an airside pass you just need a basic. Cautions don't show up on either the basic or standard one.

A caution is a conviction. never except them, they are only given when the CPS wouldn't bother to prosecute. Also they help boost the polices percentages of convictions. As it is a conviction it will show up on a disclosure for a given number of years, whatever they say it will last for.

I work in a certain part of the security industry where a conviction including a caution will mean you can no longer work, usually for 3 years.

I have a caution for drunk and disorderly, I applied for a standard disclosure shortly after which was required for my previous role in the financial industry and I also have a basic one which I needed for the CTC application.
My caution showed up on neither. Unsure of the technicalities of it but this is what happened in practice.

my mistake the basic one doesn;t show cautions We don't use that one for obvious reasons as well it doesn't really show much at all. The standard one does show cautions according to the website so maybe you didn't get a formal caution or they hadn't processed it, either way I hope you got the job.

Either way a caution is an admission of guilt, I would strongly advise everyone not to except one.

Sorry but that is utter rubbish.

To be given a caution there must be evidence the person is guilty, and they must have admitted to the offence. The purpose is to divert lesser offences from the court.
A caution is NOT a conviction, and is not recorded as such.

A full explanation is on the home office website which is probably worth a read rather than following some of the advice on here... Cautions, penalty notices and other alternatives | Home Office

This explains the criteria for airside passes in the UK a little better... hope it helps you.
Criminal record checks: frequently asked questions

So just out of interest, say for example you have an unspent conviction for fraud. This type of crime is not listed in the crimes that would deny you a pass so you should be ok? Am I right in saying this?

It will obviously depend on what the conviction relates to. You might get away with an unpaid speeding ticket 5 years ago!!:}
Fraud= persons character contains dishonesty and other characteristics you don’t want on flight deck. And you would be out the door.


Another point to be made...is how the airline finds out.
Drink driver himself brought it to light in an interview saying he felt it should be brought to there attention at this point in time that he had done this...
He divided the interview board; he had shown honesty, balls, and professionalism?

Hmm, not really for me as I dont have a criminal record.

must be a banker!!now using his wealth to fly away from lives troubles lol:E

Hi, just read the page link to on the home office website about convictions et al..It mentions fixed penalty notices for driving...but I can't work out whether that means it's something that would constitute a criminal record.
...I've had many er no... wait...My mate Dave has had a few 'producers' and lots of parking tickets. However the one he's most worried about is his penalty charge for not wearing a seatbelt, where the '50 read him his rights and then he sub sequentially sh:mad:t himself...

mb2ai,

If you're issued a fixed penalty ticket they stay on your licence for 2 years aslong as you pay them within the 28day timeframe.

The police usually need to read you your rights when you're issued with a fixed ticket in the event you choose not to pay the fine.

How did you guess? That is right! It is for a friend who lives far away and doesn't have internet access.

It is my understanding that most employers can only apply for a basic disclosure.

Standard or Enhanced are only for certain industries that require additional information.

If this weren't the case then why have the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act? It would be rather meaningless ;)

Flash8,

Correct... but when you're getting security cards for airside they usually have the right to dig a bit deeper.

In certain jobs (for example the Police) you need to declare ALL offences even if you don't need to under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act on grounds of security.

Usually an offence will be on your disclosure for up to 5 years.

AMS,

You wouldn't need to declare it and it won't show up on any disclosure form.

Even if you were charged with the offence, it doesn't mean you are guility of it. You would need to go to court, and if you are then proven guility of the offence it will be added to your record.

The reason fixed penalties turn up on your record isn't because you are guility of the offence, it's not a criminal conviction it's pretty much a settlement to avoid you having to go to court and the justice system from having to take you to court.

Waveydavey is correct. A caution is NOT a conviction - only a Court can convict.

I speak with knowledge, as a supervisory police officer I have reprimanded/finally warned countless juveniles and given cautions to scores of adults.

A great deal depends on what is being asked. E.g. if you've a caution for D&D and you are asked if you have any convictions then the answer is no.

If the question is do you have a police record then that's different. It also depends what the caution is for. It is unusual but people can receive cautions for some very serious offences given certain circumstances.

I won't bore you all with war and peace on this. If anyone wants a definitive answer to anything, send me a message.

And on the subject of driving licence points, they are 'live' (i.e. count towards totting up) for 3 years. Less serious offences the points can be removed from the licence after 4 years, serious stuff e.g. drink drive, dangerous driving can only be removed after 10 years.

Air ambulance pilot faces jail after speed trap lie

Keep your noses clean people :ooh: