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Grungefuttock 23rd May 2009 15:01

Tax relief
 
Some time ago it was rumoured that some form of tax relief was given for students taking a JAR-Frozen ATPL Integrated course.
Does anybody know anything about it?
I believe some ex-Excel F/Os may know.
Thanks.

smith 23rd May 2009 19:43

do a search, this subject been done to death a number of times

Rugbyears 23rd May 2009 19:54

To the best of ones knowledge their is no entitlement - sorry!

Whirlygig 23rd May 2009 19:58

The last time that tax relief was available for flying training, Norman Tebbitt was in the Government. :rolleyes:

Cheers

Whirls

v6g 23rd May 2009 20:20

No tax relief in the UK, only Canada.

IrishJetdriver 23rd May 2009 20:25

You used to be able to get all the VAT back by classing it as an NVQ subject, but that was quite a while ago and the government spotted it.

Don't know but is there any benefit in registering yourself as a business and then putting down training against tax ?

Whirlygig 23rd May 2009 20:52

If you mean registering for VAT, then yes and you can claim the VAT back on training but ONLY IF you become self-employed freelance afterwards. If you become an airline employee, then you'd have to pay it back.

As for claiming income tax back, again, not if you're an employee. And I can't imagine any airlines taking on 200 hour freelancers.

Cheers

Whirls

TheBeak 23rd May 2009 20:57

What about if it is on something like FlexiCrew? Is that classed as freelance work? Is that not being recruited as a 200hr freelancer?

Whirlygig 23rd May 2009 21:08

I doubt it. It depends on the contract and without getting either a lawyer or an accountant to go through them, it's hard to say. But, in my experience as an accountant, highly unlikely. Flexicrew is unlikely to fulfill the six badges of trade.

Cheers

Whirls

LH2 23rd May 2009 21:38


I can't imagine any airlines taking on 200 hour freelancers.
Obviously you've never heard of this one! :}


I believe in most of Europe (or at least in three countries I can think of) pilot training is VAT free. In addition, in at least one, a full ATPL is recognised as degree level education and entitles one to a university diploma (but this might change as and when EASA takes over)

smith 24th May 2009 14:12

A brookfield contract with ryanair is considered a contract pilot or freelance pilot.

Remember if your folks give you the cash to fund flying training and they die withinin 7 years of the donation you will also have to pay inheritance tax at up to 40%, 40% of 80-90k is a lot of cash to owe Mr Darling.

TheBeak 24th May 2009 14:18

So if you went to fly for Ryanair as a cadet you could get all the VAT back from your training including on the TR?

Whirlygig 24th May 2009 15:26

If you believe that you be self-employed and reclaim VAT and income tax (UK ), then why not employ an accountant and give it go? :} :p

But in my experience, you won't get far. It took me four years to train and to explain the ins and out of self-employment and the badges of trade would mean I would be writing a thesis. You could visit an accountant's office, pay for advice pertinent to your own situation and plans and see what they say.

I cannot advise on Ryanair as I have never seen or read their employment contracts. But presumably if you have one of their freelance contracts, you are free to work for other people as well?

Cheers

Whirls


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