how much shall i budget if i don get a job?
 

This is a very good thread.
I'd like to know too :)

So there are two ratings (?) you have to revalidate.

The type rating and IR rating (Did i forget any?).

Then you have all sort of licenses, PPL,CPL,ATPL. I know you must re-issue a PPL license each 5 years (if it isn't a lifetime PPL license), so that shouldn't be to expensive (even the fifth year :).
PPL(A) Revalidation-Renewal
I don't know about CPL and ATPL.

And i don't know prices:p.

Eikido

clarification...
 

Spicejetter, thanks for the prompt reply but...

In my original post i say

""... just to make things clear: i have made up ALL the above figures to illustrate the sort of info i am after" In other words £150p/hr - is a random number to illustarte the info i was after.


i also mention that: i am after the...

minimum number of hours and test fees (both of which i dont know)

So to clarify again, i am NOT particularly after the cost to hire a ME plane - as this can be readily found via a google search. More importantly, I am after the minimum number of hours required (for re-validation) and the cost of the skill test, examiner fee, caa fee etc.

I just want an idea on how much to budget, if i dont get a job and i have to pay to do all the minimum hours and tests etc.

Thanks,

eikido

Your ppl license lasts for five years however you single engine piston rating lasts for two years. The single engine piston rating can be renewed by two ways..

- 12 hours in the second year of validity and must include at least one hour with an instructor

- Your could also just do a check ride with an examiner in the second year which absolves you from the 12 hour rule.

Not sure about the rest of ratings or license BUT RATINGS ARE NOT THE SAME AS LICENSES

*****REMEBER THAT *******

and also if it expires it will not be a renewal check but a revalidation check ride... just to note!!!

--- Your ppl license is valid from the day the CAA issue it, but your single engine piston rating is valid from the day you pass your ppl skills test...

Yea Celtic, i've heard it many times. Ratings and licenses are not the same.

Also i found out what you have to do for your Multi Engine rating.

From Lasors .
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/LASORS2...ookmarked).pdf
Section F3.3
>>>

* Provided this check is flown within the 3 month period,
the new rating 12 month validity period will run from the
date the old one was due to expire. For revalidation of
instrument rating if held, please refer to Section E1.5.

<<<<

However what the hell is a sector route, i have no idea :}

Edit: Damn, it says in the text what sector route is. haha:8

Eikido

The CPL is the licence you will be issued with. Attached to the licence are ratings. Those will be the SEP, MEP, and MEIR. The licenceis renewed by paying a fee to the CAA every 5 years. To renew the ratings however you will need to meet certain criteria. I suggest you check Lasors where you will find all the necessary info. The one that you really need to keep current is the MEIR. The SEP and the MEP are not required for a Type Rating, but the MEIR is. It would be a better idea howver to try and keep all ratings current, keep flying, and keep yourself as employable as possible.

Sorry mate, i didn't get that. Does it mean that you don't need to renew a MEP for example if you have an up to date type rating on an ME aircraft (say B737)?

Edit:
I just checked Lasors

F4.3

(AEROPLANES)

But could not find any link to MEP ratings.

Eikido

Not quite. To start a Type rating course, you do not require an MEP rating to be current. Only the MEIR. When you complete the TR you will be issued with a new rating i.e. a Turboprop or a jet rating. If you wish to continue flying SEP machines then you will need to renew that rating. Same go's for MEP's.

Thanks for the clarification MIKECR

very helpful - i couldnt understand the previous threads on this topic
too many acronyms.

Delaying the ATPLs
 

Mech500,

Be very careful when delaying your ATPL exams. If you do not complete them within 18 months of having taken the first exam and do not get the IR, you will have to take them all again. If you get an IR within the 18 months, they will be valid for seven years. The idea is that you will gain the full ATPL within the seven years.

It's all in LASORS

AppleMacster

What i don't understand is the difference between a Class rating (MEP rating or SEP rating) and a Type Rating.

Isn't it a requirement to have a Type Rating for each plane you fly (say C172, PA34, C152)?

Then whats a SEP, MEP class rating?

What i suspect is that if you have a SEP, you can fly all planes that goes under the category SEP. They can be for example C152 and C172.

I have been searching the web and checking lasors, but i can't figure it out.

Eikido

A class is a group of "types". eg Multi Engine Piston covers all piston twin engines that doesn't need specific handling training for.

A type rating is specific to that type. eg, A B737 type rating is specific to a B737 (breaks it down further to =200, -NG etc). It doesn't cover the A319 for eg.

Cool mate thanks.

So if i had a SEP rating, could i fly the C152, C172 and PA28?

Regards
Eikido

If my memory serves me correctly, yes. However, most schools/flying clubs will insist on checking you just to satisfy themselves and more importantly, the insurance company that you know where every thing is and you can fly it safely.

You will notice there's no such thing as "MEJ". Multi Engine Jet. There's no training that will cover all jet aircraft in a certain category. That's why you have type ratings.

Also, some piston aircraft have unusual or tricky handling characteristics and they will have a specific rating too. To fly it you'll need to complete a specific detailed course.

Just to correct AppleMacster who was almost right....

1. All exams must be taken within 18 months.
2. You've then got 3 years from the end of the month in which the last exam was passed to do your CPL and IR and get them issued.
3. ATPL theory credit is then valid for 7 years from the date of your last IR renewal.

Given the current economic climate why not finish the ATPLs whilst they are fresh in the memory, you really want them out the way! Do the CPL and a FI course and go flying and get both experience and a salary whilst clocking up a few valuable hours. I think the chances of securing any multi crew job right now are close on zero, so get those hours building for the time when recruitment starts again, it gives you a head start.

When things turn around get the multi and IR quickly, as has been said you have 3 years, things will be better by then.

How difficult is it finding FI jobs ATM?
I want to become a FI even if the time is good and there are lots of Multi Crew jobs available.

Eikido

I think it should be said that if you qualify and then merely re-validate your licences and ratings by doing the minimum hours every few years. Then your chance of getting a job even when times get better will remain zero. Currency is very important to airline recruiters. A pilot who did 12 hours last year will compare unfavourably to a pilot who did 12 hours last week.

Stay flying whatever you do.