150,000 us with the A320/737NG type rating is not unreasonable. What links do they have with Emirates for employment after type rating?

RAK DAE Update
 

I know some of the guys there, but this post is without talking to them, but based on knowing the area:

Bed spaces are available for 600 aeds per month.......just ask all the Pinoys.

The international routes are still pie in the sky.

I was not aware of the heavy metal type rating.

A few students there at present, and NO 500's flying as I yet.

Nice facility, and RAK is an interesting if slightly boring town. But you will not have much free times so don't moan.

Have fun, while the sun shines. glf

Be careful spending your money here if you dont hold a GCC passport
 

As good as it all sounds, I would be very careful when spending so much money for a GCAA license. Unless you are a UAE national or at the very least a GCC national, there are no jobs available in the UAE for a pilot with low hours fresh out of flying school. The only airline offering a program close to that is Etihad and that is a full sponsorship program conducted at the Horizon Flight Academy in Al Ain.

So if there is no job in the UAE, where do you go. You can't fly in Europe, Australia, Canada etc without doing a costly conversion. Remember, JAR compliant means nothing if you don't get issued with a JAR license.

As far as I am aware there is no such thing as a 'Frozen ATPL' in the UAE yet. Although it is in the pipeline. You would be issued with a bog standard CPL. At the moment when a pilot wants to upgrade their GCAA CPL license to a GCAA ATPL, they must be issued with a foreign ATPL license and then convert to the GCAA with an ATPL written exam and a check from a TRE at the AIRLINE they work for. I know this because Ive done it, as have many of my collegues past and present. Believe me, if it could have been done locally it would have.

As far as the type ratings are concerned, they will also prove useless if you cannot get a job in the UAE or at least in the GCC. If you are a 250 hour pilot with a type rating and no hours, there are no airlines in the Middle East that will be willing to take you on. Lets say you do spend the money on converting your GCAA license to a JAR license, that type rating you paid for will still be a waste of money if your check was not done by a current JAR TRE and the JAR paperwork was not completed when you passed your checkride.

Don't get short sighted and think that because you did your training in the UAE that one of the local carriers will hire you after graduation. Even with a type rating the airlines over here won't look at you until you meet the minimum hours requirements set out on their websites, which is normally an ATPL and 2000+ hours.

I am not against this new school, I think it is great that they are setting up a school with such a high standard of training and equipment. It will be superb for middle eastern pilots with middle eastern passports. But for foreign nationals, for now at least, I believe it would be a waste of 125,000 dollars. Your money would be far better spent getting a JAR license flying Warriors and Seminols for half the money.

Cheers

DB :ok:

Paying for screening?
 

Interesting points...
I am in a huge dilemma now:
One option would be invest my savings on this integrated, knowing that I’ll be training fulltime in top equipment and with jet type rating.
The other is go modular and take my time training in 172…Seminole, etc
Since I have PPL already, modular would be the more convenient way, but It’ll take me more time.
Now, I have passed the first assessment and been invited to the cadet tests and screening to DAE.
Is a 2 days Math and physics exam + interview and psychometrics, etc… but I’m a bit surprised that with the acceptance letter they stated that I have to pay 705 AED for the process.
I’ve been to University and post grade with extensive selection process but NEVER paid for admission screening before. Is it normal?
Any word of advice for this poor (still) private?

No company in the world should be charging a potential student for the screening process. If a new business such as this wants to attract the customer, they should be on their hands and knees with offers for you, and not make you pay.

And look at what you get out of it at the end...a so called 'frozen' ATPL license which is no good unless you have a passport belonging to the GCC region and a dept for US$125000.

If I was you I would spend the money elsewhere...in places like the UK, Asia and Australia where they are desperate for pilots you will have little trouble finding a job first/second officer or instructor even with low time.

DAE Flight Academy promised a friend of mine a whole heap of stuff on paper when he applied for a job there, but after some research he found that their instructor pilots have left very good jobs to be there and they are not happy. A few of them have even skipped town without saying goodbye to avoid local hassles with the contract. This is what stopped me from applying for work there as an instructor.

I looked into this

• It is very new and therefore not yet proven
• The $150,000 is all required up-front!!!
• The license is GCAA and not easily convertible to a JAA license
• The 'type rating' seemed very vague and is not convertible to a JAA type rating at all

To convert the GCAA license to a JAA license:

• You must do all the JAA ATPL study and exams from scratch; there is no recognition of the GCAA training or exams
• You need to do 'training as required' with an approved JAA school for the CPL and then a CPL flight test
• You need to do a minimum of 15 hours training (max 10 of which can be in a simulator) with an approved JAA school for the IR and then an IR flight test
• You need a JAA Class 1 medical; no recognition of the GCAA medical
• You need to do an RT test

Seemed to me that it was not an efficient way of obtaining a JAA license; far better to train with a JAA Approved school. If you then want to get the jet time, you could always pay for a jet type rating out or the savings you would make against this course, and the extra cost of converting your license.

If you are after a GCAA license, and are not price sensitive, it might be great!

I have the possibility of relocating to Dubai - are there are JAA schools there?

Hi Fans

I lived there for a short while. There are no JAA Approved schools that I'm aware of in the UAE. Beware those that claim to be "JAA Compliant"; it is a con, as it means nothing.

Thanks Ronnie.

If I have a PPL and then hour build over there - do the hours still count (as I am not up to speed on training overseas)?

Many Thanks

FANS

Hello FANS, Ronnie has obviously gone away.

Yes, the hours will count for JAA license issue, and for pre-entry to JAA Approved modular CPL training. However, other than a PPL gained in the UAE, the value of any ratings are limited when it comes to JAA conversion.

I know of no JAA accredited schools in the UAE. Fujairah Aviation Academy started on that route but have now abandoned it. As Ronnie says beware of JAA based and Complient, if you want a JAA Licence it has to be accredited!

The schools in the UAE work best for nationals as they will get employment with a GCAA Licence.

Perhaps MPL may be a solution if an Airline is prepared to get involved in training and offer conditional employment at the end of the course!

Etihad are also offering sponsorship to overseas students but I would imagine there is huge competition.

At the moment with the downturn in Europe and the US the Gulf airlines can stick to there type rated 1500 hrs on a jet minimums for non GCC pilots!

Heard a rumour that DAEFA may not be getting VLJ's now?

Regarding VLJs, beside the current Eclipse situation (just relate it to Grob and Adams...) I really wonder how they expect to conduct safe multi engine training (meaning single engine flights) with a machine loosing loads of thrust above 25 celsius... it would be interresting to discuss this questionable choice of aircrfat witht the academy. For a flight school that would be very demonstrative to ground its fleet during summer.

Just got an email confirming that they'll be receiving the first Eclipse 500 in Feb 09...

Silence
 

We have all been watching and waiting for something big to happen with this flight academy and, while I know this is said way to offten in this thread, just wait. Things are happening and they will get better really soon. The price has come down, the airlines are knocking on the door again, and things will get better. Other than that, nothing else to say except be patient.

SandBoxTeacher

DAE flight school
 

Hi guys, I am new member but I have been on touch with DAE for some time and I got some INFO maybe can help you ..

*the training which they offer seems to be good but pretty expensive as in the end you need to work in the airline only,,thats all
I was wondered about after all this amount DAE can't give you job guarantee.

*The program is not approved by JAA or FAA only from UAE which mean you will need to convert your license.

*for your information the manufacture of EA500 jet Get bust!!:ugh:

Student accommodation is available for USD 10,000 per year
$125,000 USD program
and if you want to do the regarding type rating in a Jet Transport type category it will be additional costs USD 25,000.
Total of $160.000
So please advice.