titchuk - one of the rules of engagement for Pprune (that you apparently didn't bother to read) is that duplicate posts are not allowed.

If you have a question - decide IN WHICH SINGLE FORUM TO POST IT. If it's in the wrong place (like your copy of this in "interviews and sponsorships" then it will be forwarded to the right place for you.

Please - one question, one post, one forum.

BTW - welcome to pprune.

Sorry I don't think the gliding counts, although I think you can get a gliding licence(?) To get the PPL(A) you learn on a single engined aircraft. Generally a prop, such as the piper's. You can't learn on jet engined A/C i don't think, such as the Jet Provost, even though they are light enough to allow. Anyway, even if you could it would be incredibly more expensive than a piper and the likes. But for the fixed wing PPL, you have to train on a single engined A/C, under a certain weight (I forget what it is).

JW.

ok thanks for ya help il leave ya now! ol probs gttin anoyed cheers chris

No problems, always nice to offer support. And I always like talking to fellow pilots/potential pilots. Good luck with whatever you decide to do!

JW.

lol, did you really think you do basic training on a JP??

hee hee, that'll tickle me all night!

ETC

lol how was i supposed to kno and neways im not gd with all these abreviations lol 2 confusing!

hey can anyone tell me the difference between ATPL/ CPL Training thanks
chris

Somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but the ATPL (frozen) is what is needed to become an airline pilot. This includes both the CPL (commercial pilots licence) and IR (intrument rating). If you want to fly for any airlines, this is needed.

The CPL is required if you want to earn money from your flying, which could include flag flying and the likes(?). Or pleasure flights.

Don't know if anyome can answer this question - do you need a CPL to be able to get the FI rating? And to become an instructor is the class 1 med. required? Just curious!

JW.

Get in quick and dedicate yourself now while your young. It's easy to miss the boat at a certain age. There's no time for late comers in aviation!

The Jet Provost was the first aeroplane I ever flew. I did not fly a piston-engined aeroplane until I had over 4000 hours, much of that as a captain on 4-engined aircraft. So, yes, you can do basic training on a JP. Thousands of RAF pilots did so before the Tucano turned up.

Scroggs

It's just a shame about the cost of training in a JP! Wish I could - only managed 45 mintues due to cost restrictions on my part - great fun, compared with pipers, though!

JW.

Wow Scroggs, I'm impressed. I just assumed all RAF bods started out on Chippies or Bulldogs before going on to Jets, like civvy pilots. I stand corrected.

TitchUk, i'm also a young wannabee, recently passed the PPL, finished A levels, on the way to Uni. Its all good. And I'm afraid aviation is full of abbreviations, you're just going to have to do your best.

ETC

Hey

Im another young wannabe ive just finished my AS levels and im currently three quaters of a way through my PPL just need to find time for the exams :bored: , but now the summers here i should get them done YAY!!
Im 17 and been saving everything ive got to do my training and hoping to start next year at OAT on the APP, cause i cant afford uni and flight training :mad: as much as i want to go to Uni!!!
So i went for what ive always wanted to do :ok:

Best of Luck

ADWJENK

Thanks everyone for the replys! Well 2day was a great day as im still doing work experience for monarch airlines and i met with the owner :D was really good just have to get his email address and beg to him! lol
As i am 15 and currently in year 10 moving to year 11 in sept to then take my gcses what is the best options for me to do after or even now? is there anything you would advise? Alot of people have said join the RAF but that really doesnt interest me at all i want to go into commercial flying but i do know it is going to be alot more expensive! Approximatly how much is it 60k? all advice will be appriciated thanks everyone!
Chris

Oh and if it is possible please could you give info on what the abbreviations mean? that way i can learn and go furhter
thanks again!
Chris

Hi there,

I am in the same boat as yourself starting AS levels this September and hoping to join an integrated course thereafter.

While you are doing the GSCE's I think the most sound advice is to work hard with them, get good results and also build on your extra-curricular activities. For example join the ATC (Air Training Corps) if you're not already in it. There is no obligation to join the RAF but you can learn an incredible amount of experience there. You can fly/glide, and build on your social skills. You can also do the Duke of Edinburgh Award and this also shows team skills.

Regarding the cost well this varies greatly. If you were to go modular then the cost is around £40k whilst if you went integrated the total comes to around £70k. These totals are excluding a 'type rating' which some people buy whilst others may get theirs paid for by and airline and be bonded to them as a result i.e they have to work for that airline for say 3 years at a certain salary. A type rating allows you to fly a certain aircraft eg Boeing 737. This costs around £20k.

If you could let me know what abbreviations you require i will do my best to let you know what they mean.

All the best

Arpan

PS: Check your PM's.

titchuk - check your pm's

Cheers, FJ2k

titchuk Read the following threads:

General Background Info

Archive Reference Threads

Between them you will get just about all you need to know.

Scroggs

Hey everyone thought i might put a copy of what i have wrote to a few of you about my work experience at monarch airlines...

hey!
yea thanks for leaving a reply its great! yea i am doing work experience with monarch airlines but unfortunatly it was my last day 2day! what a great 2 week though! Yea i dont mind you asking anything if i can answer it.
Obviously as i am currently at school, we had to do 2 week work expericne and the choice is up to us where we go for the 2 week but we have to organise it ourselfs. i dont know if it is the same with other airline comapies but monarch only allow work experience placements to those who have family members who for for the company. Howvere i was lucky as a friend of my parents who is a capain got me the placement there. But if you want to do work experince then it is worth asking other airlines i suppose the worst that can happen is that they say no so just try another one!
The work i have been doing at monarch airlines is going to all the various different departments within the company and seeing how the company works toge6ther in order for things to run smoothly and efficiantly and i cant tell you enough they work so hard to just get that plane in the air and people wouldnt otherwise realise!
So what is the reasoning for you wanting work experience? I thought you wernt at school anymore ?
well thanks for the msg!
chris

i dunno if that helps anyone :s if you want to know anymore just ask!

also can anyone tell me what these phrases mean:

i know what ppl stands for - private pilots licence!) lol :P

> JAA PPL

> JAA ATPL

> F/ATPL

> IR

> CPL ( i think that stands for commercial pilots licence)

if there are any others that anyone could tell me that would be great! thanks

> JAA PPL = Joint Aviation Authorities Private Pilots License. Allows you fly your own plane around. You cannot make any monet from it though it can only be to fly yourself and maybe a few friends around. To earn monet you need a CPL - see below.

> JAA ATPL = Joint Aviation Authorities Airline Transport Pilots License = You can take command of an aircraft i.e you are the captain. You get this after 1500 hours minimum.

> F/ATPL = 'Frozen' Airline Transport Pilots License. There's no such thing its the nickname for the basic requirement to fly a passenger aircraft. This comprises of a CPL/IR with the 14 ATPL theory exams under your belt. You may also need to do an MCC course (multi crew co-operation).


> IR = Instrument Rating. Allows you fly an aircraft using instruments when its not possible to use visibility i.e there are thick clouds

> CPL = Commercial Pilots Licence. You can fly and earn money which i assume most of us would like to do!

All the best
Arpan

Hi Titch.. I saw your interest in flying on the notice board.. i have just finished my A-Levels.. and i really mucked up.. however you dont really need them as long as you go about it in the right way. I studied English and Physics failing both subjects at A2.. im looking at going to Oxford Aviation in September.. its expensive but there is a 98% chance of gainning a job at the end of it and you dont need the grades to gain entry. You do however need to have a basic understanding of GCSE Physics and Maths.. as long as you pass their skills test then you are in.. i also did some PPL flying which gives you an advantage.. they like to see some flying exp. However.. if you need some more advice add me on msn.. [email protected] and i will be more then willing to help you out.

Dan