CAA/JAA Licence Admin Problems (Applications, Paperwork, etc)
 

Hi All,
With regard to JAA CPL licence issue, must the ATPL exams and the CPL flight training be carried out within the same JAA member state.?
For example if a person does the groundschool (DL) with BristolGS must they do the CPL flight training course with a UK based FTO. Any advice would be welcome
Regds
normb

Hope not. I did CPL in US and exams in UK. US is not JAR member state so schools offering JAR cses would be wasting their time otherwise.

But, Ham Phisted, the school in the US was approved by the UK CAA and so counted as a UK FTO.

The correct answer is that the State of Licence Issue is determined by the State in which licence training is commenced and can only be changed to another State with the agreement of the National Authorities of both.

If licence training is commenced at a FTO approved by the UK (e.g. with Bristol GS) then the flight training must also be completed at a UK approved FTO. Once the licence has been issued, further ratings (MEP, IR, Type) can be done in any JAA member state and entered into the licence by the State of Licence Issue.

Most JAR approved schools in the US are registered under the UK CAA. The requirement is not that the training takes place in the same country but under the supervision of the same authority.

There is a provision in the JAR-FCL 1.065(b) that might allow you to take the practical CPL test under the supervision of a different authority. This arrangement must be agreed by both authorities involved.

When you have your CPL issued you can add ratings (IR, type ratings etc) in any JAA state that have implemented the pertinent JAR's, even without using the provision of the aforementioned section of JAR.

Fees for CPL issue?
 

Does anyone know what the application fee is for CPL/ME-IR??
Couldn't find it on the wonderful CAA site!!
maybe £194??
Thanks,
Jim Pearce.

Yep, that's what is cost me, you save a few quid if you get it done together.

Hi JP,
Here is the link to lasors with the CAA schedule of charges for all licence applications.
Willby
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/srg_fc...es_prof_05.pdf

CPL/IR licence application rejected (no signatures in logbook)
 

Hi all -
Have just rung the CAA to see where my new licence was as i sent the application some time ago. Apparently they sent my logbook back to me three weeks ago (lost in the post but that's another story) and had rejected the application due to the fact I have no signatures of instructors or examiners in my logbook. This is all a bit of surprise to me as i've never been told that any signatures are required and I've certainly never had an instructor offer to sign my logbook. Can anyone tell me what is required and what I'll need to do if Royal Mail ever do reunite me with my logbook. Should I have every flight :ooh: signed, every page, or what? The guy on the phone at the CAA was astoundingly unhelpful.

Re: CPL/IR licence application rejected (no signatures in logbook)
 

From my first trial lesson, the instructor has always signed my logbook. All PPL, IMC, Night, FAA IR, FAA CPL, FAA Multi courses have been countersigned by my instructor(s) next to every flight (including P1 time during the PPL course).

My flight tests, whether JAA or FAA have been countersigned by the examiner in the "remarks" section even though they have all been first time passes and thus I was logging P1/S.

Even dual checkouts at the local club were logged as PUT and countersigned by the instructor in question.

The only flying is any P1 flying that I have done without any signatures (this equates to about 500 hours worth of flight time in my logbook). However in saying this, throughout my logbook there are periodic school stamps stating, "this logbook is true and correct" etc...

As for Royal Mail, that is another question! I'll ask my mother, but she may not know as she's an area manager for the post office, which is of course a different company.

Re: CPL/IR licence application rejected (no signatures in logbook)
 

Oh gawd, how did I get through every lesson without ever knowing that.

I did send seperate sheets of paper for each (CPL, IR, ME) course with the hours broken down into P1, instruments etc and signed by the head of training. Should that not be enough?

Re: CPL/IR licence application rejected (no signatures in logbook)
 

Chocks for what its worth, i've just had my blue book from the CAA with CPL/MEIR and i think i have about 2 or 3 sigs in my logbook. 1 was for the PPL test, one for the ME test and i maybe another but i can't remember what! Stalling or instrument flight or something like that?!?!

Re: CPL/IR licence application rejected (no signatures in logbook)
 

Thanks Tom - i guess all will be revealed if and when I recieve whatever the CAA has sent me. It's just a bit of a shock and I want to know what i can do about it in the meantime.

Re: CPL/IR licence application rejected (no signatures in logbook)
 

Sounds like my instructors / schools have been overkeen on signatures then! Sorry to have worried you Chocks.

Re: CPL/IR licence application rejected (no signatures in logbook)
 

Well, looks like it might pay to be overkeen with the signatures.

Re: CPL/IR licence application rejected (no signatures in logbook)
 

Someone said on another forum i think, that the school should have records of their hours with you on so that should be ok in the end.

Re: CPL/IR licence application rejected (no signatures in logbook)
 

"I have no signatures of instructors or examiners in my logbook"

Was it a CAA examiner that did your instrument rating test? Did he/she sign your logbook for the successful test?

Re: CPL/IR licence application rejected (no signatures in logbook)
 

Yes it was, no he didn't.

Re: CPL/IR licence application rejected (no signatures in logbook)
 

Why? Who was flying, you or the instructor?

Re: CPL/IR licence application rejected (no signatures in logbook)
 

Yes I know I should have logged it as P1 as I was flying and the instructor just sat there enjoying the view.

However all of the instructors I have met over here in the UK (plenty of them) have always strongly insisted they logged P1 and I should log PUT even though they were happy that my flying was good enough to be signed off to fly as P1.

Probably a case of them hour building for their airline job...

I don't really want to go down the "should I have logged P1" as I know what the answer is... Yes I should have.

Re: CPL/IR licence application rejected (no signatures in logbook)
 

I think you've hit the nail on the head, CZ!