How long are your ATPL ground exams valid?
 

You know now you have to do your driving theory and it only lasts 2 years for you to pass your driving test and then it runs out, well is this the same as the ground exams? or do they last forever?

ATPL ground exams? Negative, your credits will last 3 years.

For PPL

Its similar with the ATPL: 18 months to pass them all but like CAT3C AUTOLAND says, you have 36 months to complete your CPL/IR before the exam credits expire and thats "from the end of the month of the date of the final pass in the examinations."

:ok:

thanks very much, it is for the ATPL:ok:

how long are the writtens good for
 

Sorry, quick questions. How long do you have to get a commercial once you have completed all of the writtens.
Cheers

36 months from the date of the last exam passed........

Just to clarify, you have 36 months from the date you pass your last exam during which you have to get your CPL AND your IR.

Linda

CPL ground exams - valididity (different question)
 

ATPL theory examinations are only valid for 3 years, in which time you have to undertake the flying (I think)

My question is this: If you take the CPL exams, with view to instructing, and you elect to do the FI course after passing the writtens, (WITHOUT taking the CPL flying course - unremunerated instruction), how are your exams kept current?

Thier not. You have to do the CPL Flight training and test within 3 years of passing your final exam.

Ground school to full ATPL, how long have you got?
 

How long are the ATPL ground exams valid for once you have a CPL/IR. ie. How long do you have to gain your ATPL?

If you walk straight into an airline job the month after passing your IR on something fulfilling the ATPL requirements it's still going to take 18 months to two years to get 1,500 hours i guess.

I think they might be valid for five years from last ATPL ground exam until applying for the ATPL but i'm not totally sure. Can anyone clear this up for me?

Also, if the ground school exams do lapse, what does this mean? Is your CPL invalid too? Do you have to resit a full ground course or can you just sit the exams again?

Cheers

As long as you have some form of IR current (SPA/MPA-SE or ME etc.) within the last 7 years, your ATPL theory remains valid.

In reference to the SPA ME/IR, If you allow your IR to lapse by 5 years you will only have to retake the flight test with a CAAFU examiner again. :yuk:

If you allow your IR to lapse by 7 years, you would be left with a CPL (as long as you have had it re-issued of course). If you wanted an ATPL you would have to retake the exams or if you just wanted your IR back you could just do the IR theory. After the flight test that would give you a CPL/IR again but you wont be able to upgrade to an ATPL without resitting the 13 exams (no VFR comms needed).

I think you can just sit the exams again but dont quote me. If I remember correctly the book says "training as required" Head of Trainings discretion.

atpl credit lapse?
 

Lads,I was hoping you might be able to clarify this for me.

I passed my last atpl exam in feb 2005(so these are valid until feb2008)is that right?Since then,I've gotten my cpl but am now conidering doing the instructor rating and putting the me-ir on hold,because of work restraints etc.So basicly I was wondering what would happen if I don't get the ir before the atpl credits expire?Would I need to do the atpl's all over again before adding the ir and going for an airline job?

Cheers,boys!

Page 341 of LASORS is what you want. Basically you have 36 months from passing your last ATPL exam to get BOTH the CPL and IR. Failure to do so means ALL of your credits lapse and you get the joy of resitting them. There is a slight concession that you might be exempt from classroom instruction though so you find yourself in this uncomfortable position. Aw ain't that nice of them eh:)

What you would end up with is a CPL with CPL theory. If you wanted an IR you would have to do the IR theory (which is fairly easy) and the IR training. However, If you wanted a fATPL you would have to do ALL the exams again (minus VFR comms.). As potkettleblack said, the CAA may allow you to be exept from doing the mandatory in-school revision study.

You could consider doing a single engine IR as that may save you some money in the short term and keep your ATPL valid...Sadly, when you upgrade to a twin you will have to do the full ME/IR test.

All those posts clarify, without any doubt, regards the validity of the fATPL. However, how long is the ATPL valid, AFTER you've taken the CPL and IR Skill tests? ie. you've taken the ATPL theory exams, AND completed the skil tests within 36 months off writing the exams...what next??:confused:

Could someone also shed some light on the actual ATPL and if there's a separate skill test for that as well...

Is the pass mark for ATPL exams 75% or less?

The pass mark is 75%. So 75 % or more is OK.

In some exams it is not possible to get 75% eg radio Nav where there are 59 questions so to pass you have to get 45 right ie 76%, 44 right is a fail.

NavPilot, LASORS is your friend - sections G and J. The ATPL theory passes are good for 36 months for you to get a CPL and IR - then good for obtaining an ATPL provided you meet the other requirements within 7 years of the most recent IR renewal.

There is an ATPL Skill Test, to be taken in an appropriate multi-pilot aircraft (or sim, presumably), which may be combined with the test for issuing or revalidating such a type rating. You can only take it after you meet the other requirements for ATPL issue (flying hours in particular).

On a somewhat related subject, after doing the ATPL ground exams, what's better to do, the Multi CPL first or Multi IR? and what difference does it make if you do it the other way around??

adding an IR to a UK CPL
 

This all sounds very like the case of a friend of mine. He has a UK CPL and completed the UK ATPL exams in early 2002. He started his instrument rating in 2002 and then unfortunately had to stop part way through his training. Now he is in a position to re-start his IR training and is being told by the CAA that he has to sit 7 JAR exams before he can start his flying. It sounds completely ridiculous to me, surely there is no benefit in making him jump through that hoop again. I believe he is trying to a get a written definitive response. i was told recently by a very wise chap that LASORS isn't always totally accurate and is only an interpretation of JAR-FCL rules, so it may be worth pursuing.

Time between theory and cpl/ir
 

hi!

I have finished the thoery in september, but I would like to work, I need money :}
So i wonder, are there any consequences if I do IR one year after the theory ?
I mean, it is dificult if there is too much time after the thoery ? do the companies care at this problem ?

thank you very much!

This has been covered quite a few times if you do a search. Fundamentally you have 36 months from passing your last exam to complete the CPL and IR so as to retain the ATPL credits.

thanks LFS,

but it was not my question...I know about 36 months, but I would like to know the consequences, for example, maybe the companies do not like it, maybe they prefer an intensive course like the integrated.
And I would like to know if it is dificult to do an IR a long time after the theory...

If you fail to complete your CPL/IR in the allocated time then unfortunately you must complete the dreaded 14 again...

A employer won't really care if its taken 4 months after your last pass or 30 months after your last pass to complete your CPL/IR/MCC...

as wbryce says employers wont really care as you are doing the modular route. The time from the theory shouldnt be a massive problem, it is time without flying that usually causes the problem.

Not strictly true
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If you do a CPL, but not the IR, then only the IR exam credit lapse after three year. And if you do the IR, but not the CPL then the CPL exam credits lapse.
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I really should find something better to do today :{

ATPL time to complete?
 

Hi all. just wondering if anyone out there is having trouble finding time to study for ATPLs? im doing module one at the moment, and have been at it on and off for about 2 years. due to work/family/second job commitments. however I always get my assesed exercises back scored at late 80s early 90s percent, and seem to have no problem retaining info between sessions. should be ready for the exams in January. (I also understand that I will have to get my skates on after the first pass, with the clock now ticking!!)
anyone had the same probs? what timeframe has it taken some of you guys to do it in? just wondering.......
ps. anyone who did it in minimum time, good on you but dont torture me!! lol

take care and fly safe.

Hi,

Exactly 11 months now and still half way through Phase 1 of 2. Reasons? Work/Family/house purchase/move/2nd job commitments!

Want to do the exams in Jan/Feb too. I'm estimating it'll take me between 1.5-2 years too. Relax, lot's of people achieve it like this.

Hi

Was just wondering what your study patterns are like with so much going on,,

Im about to embark on the ATP course , though am worried how to find the time to study, with work etc ,, Its good to know there are others in for the long haul, 12+ mnths seems more realistic to complete the first Mod, with work & 2nd Jobs,, if any one has manged to do it in less,, please share how you managed it,,

good luck Guys ,,

Anyone done ATPL's twice ?
 

Just wondering if anyone out there is in the same boat as myself? IE having done the ATPL's, gained a CPL but due to some unfortunate personal circumstances was unable to complete the IR within 36 months?

If so, how did you find doing the ATPL's a second time ? Did you attend the classroom segment as I believe I am exempt from this however still feel it might be a wise idea ? Are there any groundschool providers that specialise in people doing the course a second time (ie know which corners they can get away with cutting?)

Based on my research I'm looking at using Bristol however just wondered if anyone had any other views to offer? I did my ATPL's first time with Oxford and found them very good but Bristol seems to get the best reviews.

Cheers !

UA

GTS at Bournmouth have a IR only course (for people who enjoy do'in it twice)

h-r;)

ATPL Issues
 

Chaps,

Was after some help on a couple of questions please....

1) Are there any ideas on how long ALL of the ATPL examinations will take for someone who working (so this will be done on evening and weekends)?

2) Can the ATPL examinations be taken one at a time, or do they need to be all done in one sitting..or in a different combination?

Many thanks.

LB

H-R

Thanks for that but thats still no use, that will only give me a CPL/IR and not a Frozen ATPL which is what I need!

Dont quite think the word 'enjoy' clearly defines my sentiment towards having to do the ATPL's a second time round though ! :sad:

London boy - I would strongly suggest that you download a copy of LASORS from the CAA website and have a good read through all of the provisions pertaining to the ground exams as the answers are all in there. In summary though you have 18 months to pass all 14 exams from the date of your first sitting. You get 6 sittings and no more than 4 attempts at each paper. Therefore sitting 1 paper at a time basically wastes a sitting and you would be better off sitting papers that you even don't feel ready for on the basis that you might fluke a result. It is all in Section J. Under the personnel licensing section of the CAA website (safety regulation) you can find the timetables along with the application and payment forms which your ground school might give you in anycase.

As to how long it takes it will depend on how much time you have available. People have quoted in the past anything from just under 6 months through to the full 18 months. It will all be down to how bright you are, how much time you have available etc and no one will be able to give you a definitive time frame. Good luck.

London Boy,

You NEED to download a copy of LASOR's. The CAA plain English guide to FCL. There is a section within (J I think from memory) that will detail evrything you need to know. Go to www.srg.caa.co.uk Put Lasors in search field and hey presto :ok:

That said. Nope you cannot do the exams one at a time. Most schools split the exams into two blocks. In my case an 8 and a 6 if you're doing ATPL, although a CPL school will do something simliar for the lower number of exams required.

You are allowed no more than three attempts at any one subject, completed over no more than 5 (I think) visits to the exam centre. Fail any subject three times or run out of visits to the exam centre and all credits are erased and you go back to starting again :(

The exams are ALL about application. Put the effort in and you should pass first time. Kid yourself about your studying and it will be an expensive few days of lining the CAA's poskets :{

UA, apols and comissers.

I forget that the fixed wing world is slightly different to rotary.

To get a ATPL you would have to sit the whole nine yards again (GTS do the ATPL as well, following the previoius comment). My point was that quite a few people have been there second time around due to the flexibility of course delivery for re-runs.

h-r;)

Just a quick question for those who have done the ATPL's a second time round......do you need to attend the 2 week classroom brushup courses once again ?

I was under the impression that this wouldn't be necessary however I've just been told by Bristol GS that I would need to attend the full 4 weeks of classroom all over again ???

Any comments ?

Also, I notice with some recent changes from JAR that the rotary boys can now upgrade from a CPL to ATPL theory with only the 7 IR exams ? Anyone know if there is any sign of these changes being applied to the fixed wing route ??

German´s question: atpl becoming void after 7 / 3 yrs.?
 

Hi there,

in April 2002 I made a German ICAO theory ATPL at the German CAA.
it was based on my single engine piston ir.

in Mai 2005 I converted it into a German JAR licence. As I do NOT have 1500 hrs and do NOT have ME(IR) I do not have my MCC / AtP theory credit IN the licence (but for application purposes I still have my theory exam results).

Now I heard on pilots.de that a (JAR? ICAO?) atpl theory credit can become void after 7 years.

fact is I have a 600 hrs and in April 2009 = April 2002 theory check + 7 yrs. I won´t have together a 1500 hrs by mere hobby flying :-(

Important: I do always make my annual SEP IR check ride in Germany. And I do not fully understand JAR FCL (german) 1.495 (b) ... does it say you lose your ATPL theory credit after 7 years also when you have made your IFR under old ICAO rules? Does my conversion of last year (ICAO frozen ATPL MCC LR theor into JAR CPL SEP IR LR with "hidden atp theory") affect this 7 years? Or is 1.495 (b) not applicable to me because I do keep my IR current?

Thx for answers!!

ATPL QueStiOn
 

From when I pass my first JAA ATPL exam, How long have I to complete my JAA CPL and JAA MEIR? Is it 36 months after all the JAA ATPL exams are passed or what is it? Cheers :ok:

36 months from the date of the last exam passed