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Better times for aviation ?

Old 24th Sep 2021, 15:33
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Better times for aviation ?

Hello everyone,

Just done with my ATPL as a modular student, I will soon have to make the decision as whether to postpone CPL or to go for it quite soon.
I have the feeling we start seeing the end of the tunnel and that things will slowly pick up with restrictions starting to be removed and Covid situation improving with more & more people being vaccinated.
Am I too optimistic foreseeing a (slightly) better situation in an horizon of 8/12 months? Will we see the low costs hiring again for next summer?

I know no one has a crystal ball, however I would love having opinions of some of you who are close to the market.
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Old 24th Sep 2021, 17:48
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I share your optimism. And many do in my company.

Good luck and do your training in a place where they care about your progress.
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Old 24th Sep 2021, 19:47
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Flybe rebjorn first officer recruiting
Brookfield CJ pilots and many more at the click of a mouse
also this. $160K for a first officer? and they are so short some airlines are trying to recruit Australians on a special E3 visa. Who knows?
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Old 24th Sep 2021, 21:32
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The exact answer depends on where you're from. Recovery is rather uneven even within regions, let alone globally. But it's not unreasonable to expect more than one or two beginner-level opportunities in 12-18 months from now. There are still many experienced pilots out there who will be hired before the non-experienced lot, so there's no need to put too much pressure on yourself to finish quickly. Focus on finding a quality solution which represents good value for money and, apart from the learning side of things, will also give you something enjoyable to remember as you only do your initial training once in your lifetime.
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 06:30
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Literally zero of those jobs are open to UK freshly minted fATPL graduates. Most UK airlines now have vast priority pools of redundant pilots to harvest first.

It’ll be a while yet till easyJet/BA/Tui/Virgin/Jet2 need cadets.
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 06:48
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But when it happens, it happens. The best way to be prepared is to be ready, or as close to ready as possible. Presumably by 'ATPL' the OP meant ATPL exams - in which case there is now a 36 month clock ticking. If you've got the money my advice is to crack on with a CBIR and SECPL. Don't wait until there's a training rush. That's going to (a) keep up your training momentum, (b) save you a fortune over the regular modular route, (c) save those exams and (d) put you within 4-6 weeks of the finish line (MEP, MEIR, MCC).
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 10:47
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NetJets too , admittedly they want 1500 hours for an FO & an EASA licence. Good job to have, though, I have several friends who have been there years.
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 13:01
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It will take a number of years for cadets to find any sort of sustainable employment. Thereís simply too many experienced guys out there to choose from and itíll take a number of years to clear the backlog.
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 15:40
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Thanks a lot everyone for your feedbacks, very interesting to see the different points of view on how the market can/will evolve.
I see both optimistics and pessimistics scenario. My question was more Europe related.
I think we also have to take into consideration the massive number also of pilot who retired.

Regarding Cadets, I disagree, as I think companies such as Ryanair, Wizzair, Volotea, will hire cadet soon as they are cheaper.
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 16:10
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That is why I wrote sustainable employment. Ryanair/Wizz are not sustainable.
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 16:37
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Very true. But nice to get started in the business at first and build hours
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 17:33
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But the thread opener asking the question comes from Norway so the UK comment may not be relevant.
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 22:15
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Build hours and go where? They’re becoming the major players.
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