FAA and EASA training in CA for Commercial Airline Pilot
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FAA and EASA training in CA for Commercial Airline Pilot
My Son is starting his training for his Airline Pilot Career path. He is 17, and a few months away from completing his Private Pilot VFR (FAA) license. He is a US Citizen but we are also within a year of obtaining his Italian Dual Citizenship. He is looking for a training school where he can hopefully acquire BOTH his FAA and EASA training for his remaining needed courses to become an airline pilot. He is looking to as well start his career in the US, but likely will move to Italy sometime in the following few years, and would like the training and versatility to be able to come back to the US if he so chooses and obtains a job in the US or Italy depending on where he lives.
Ideally would be if the school has an affiliate program as well that he can move into a job with an airline right away would be best. We live in Southern CA, and while there seem to be schools in Florida that offer this readily, he would really like to stay local in CA, so that he can first avoid the additional expense of Room/Board in Florida, but as well, knowing that most schools that have affiliate programs are looking to employ you IN the state that the school is at, so IF he does the schooling in CA, he likely could get an affiliate job in CA and continue to take advantage of free room and board at home while he is getting started.
We have located SOME schools in CA, but some seem to be focused on EASA only for PPL and there are a lot of mixed reviews. And I have to imagine we missing some.
Any help/suggestions would be appreciated.
Ideally would be if the school has an affiliate program as well that he can move into a job with an airline right away would be best. We live in Southern CA, and while there seem to be schools in Florida that offer this readily, he would really like to stay local in CA, so that he can first avoid the additional expense of Room/Board in Florida, but as well, knowing that most schools that have affiliate programs are looking to employ you IN the state that the school is at, so IF he does the schooling in CA, he likely could get an affiliate job in CA and continue to take advantage of free room and board at home while he is getting started.
We have located SOME schools in CA, but some seem to be focused on EASA only for PPL and there are a lot of mixed reviews. And I have to imagine we missing some.
Any help/suggestions would be appreciated.
It's very expensive to train for both EASA and FAA at the same time, mainly because you're very limited on the number of schools. If he's planning to start his career in the US then it's also unnecessary.
My advice is to get FAA private, instrument, commercial, multi, and all instructor ratings, then teach in the US. Once he's got 1500 hours, everything will become a lot easier:
1 He can get an ATP
2 He can get a job at a US regional
3 With his ATP he's exempt all EASA theory training
4 With his type rating he can covert to EASA in a SIM.
My advice is to get FAA private, instrument, commercial, multi, and all instructor ratings, then teach in the US. Once he's got 1500 hours, everything will become a lot easier:
1 He can get an ATP
2 He can get a job at a US regional
3 With his ATP he's exempt all EASA theory training
4 With his type rating he can covert to EASA in a SIM.
"With his ATP he's exempt all EASA theory training"
According to art 3(c) in Commission Delegated Regulation (EU) 2020/723 that credit is conditional on the third country licence including a valid type rating for the aircraft to be used in the ATPL skill test.
According to art 3(c) in Commission Delegated Regulation (EU) 2020/723 that credit is conditional on the third country licence including a valid type rating for the aircraft to be used in the ATPL skill test.
I was generalising... My point was that is much easier to convert one you're at ATP/ATPL level. If there were no covid I would advise staying with an EASA licence, and hopefully flying a jet with 200 hours. But since that's not going to be possible for the next few years, starting in the US would give the best start to a career.
Same as previously posted I would recommend against combining.
Same as previously posted it severely limits your school options and not only that….the reputation of the schools in question have been less then stellar.
17 is very young.
More education is always a good thing.
Various universities have excellent flight training departments that allow training through to all instructor ratings and teach at the University.
After completing a 4 year degree they’ll have their FAA ATP also.
I wouldn’t be in a hurry with EASA conversion.
Many US (and foreign) carriers require a degree.
Same as previously posted it severely limits your school options and not only that….the reputation of the schools in question have been less then stellar.
17 is very young.
More education is always a good thing.
Various universities have excellent flight training departments that allow training through to all instructor ratings and teach at the University.
After completing a 4 year degree they’ll have their FAA ATP also.
I wouldn’t be in a hurry with EASA conversion.
Many US (and foreign) carriers require a degree.
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Thank you everyone! And selfin , Thank you for your PM. I for some reason can't reply and can only get 1 PM before I have to delete it in this forum.
Worth remembering that the US majors seems to still have the crazy requirement of a degree to even have a chance of applying. May want to consider that along the line at some point. Doesn’t have to be a good degree, bachelors in Brazilian history from the university of Bumble-Nowhere is absolutely adequate.
Also for more US based queries this probably isn’t the most helpful forum. Reddit has a very active US flying sub which would be useful, as well as US based forums. This is generally more EU/AUS from my experience. Both of which are markets that are depressingly screwed at the moment jobs wise
Also for more US based queries this probably isn’t the most helpful forum. Reddit has a very active US flying sub which would be useful, as well as US based forums. This is generally more EU/AUS from my experience. Both of which are markets that are depressingly screwed at the moment jobs wise
Top 5 “Destination” airlines require a degree, one or two may make an exception if you have a really strong military flying background.
Such as flying transports or tankers across the oceans for a good number of years.
So two options:
1. A good flight school can do zero to instructor in about 6-9 months with full time training.
Then go off to college for a degree in something remotely useful in case of loss of medical somewhere down the line.
Work your way through college with flight instruction on the side and he might well have 1000-1200hrs by then.
This will likely be the less expensive option.
2. Go to a University that has a strong aviation department and do all your ratings there while getting a degree. You’ll flight instruct the last 2-2.5 years.
Advantage would be you could do your Restricted ATP at 1200 hrs.
https://www.faa.gov/pilots/training/...ority_List.pdf
In case he’s sick of school and doesn’t want to further his education:
It takes about 3 years to get from zero - 1500hrs for your ATP.
Thats 3/4 the way through a degree.
GET A DEGREE!
Such as flying transports or tankers across the oceans for a good number of years.
So two options:
1. A good flight school can do zero to instructor in about 6-9 months with full time training.
Then go off to college for a degree in something remotely useful in case of loss of medical somewhere down the line.
Work your way through college with flight instruction on the side and he might well have 1000-1200hrs by then.
This will likely be the less expensive option.
2. Go to a University that has a strong aviation department and do all your ratings there while getting a degree. You’ll flight instruct the last 2-2.5 years.
Advantage would be you could do your Restricted ATP at 1200 hrs.
https://www.faa.gov/pilots/training/...ority_List.pdf
In case he’s sick of school and doesn’t want to further his education:
It takes about 3 years to get from zero - 1500hrs for your ATP.
Thats 3/4 the way through a degree.
GET A DEGREE!
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Worth remembering that the US majors seems to still have the crazy requirement of a degree to even have a chance of applying. May want to consider that along the line at some point. Doesn’t have to be a good degree, bachelors in Brazilian history from the university of Bumble-Nowhere is absolutely adequate.
Would you guys also say the same about AME jobs in the current covid situation for EU and AUS being in a job-rut?
