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Does a speeding offence disqualify one from a flying career?

Old 22nd Dec 2020, 01:22
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Does a speeding offence disqualify one from a flying career?

Hi everyone.
I’m still looking into the possibility of a career as a professional pilot. However, I was snapped by a speed camera (47 in a 30, my bad as I believed the speed limit was 50 as it was a dual carriageway).
An acquaintance who flies for an Orange airline recently expressed that one hiring question airlines/employers ask is “have you ever been charged with a speeding or driving offence”, and that airlines are legally exempt from the rehab of offenders act and can therefore ask you for any spent or unspent convictions or penalties. I was told that while airlines can’t formally require you to be free of any speeding offences, admitting to being charged reflected negatively on your ability to responsibly pilot an aircraft, and obtain and airside pass.

Wondering if anyone has ever had any luck in the U.K. getting an airline job after getting slapped with an SP30 when young, dumb and stupid.

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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 01:42
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No it won’t make any difference at all. It is a very minor traffic offence that most people have, have had, or will have at some point. It expires after 3 years and is removed from your driving record after 4 years. For totting up purposes it normally adds 3 penalty points with disqualification often occurring at 12 points (less if you are an inexperienced driver). Most car insurers assume 3 points to be very normal and rarely load premiums because of it, although for younger drivers they may well do so. An employer is very unlikely to be interested.

I think you would spend your time wisely in getting on with your PPL and taking things from there. It isn’t a particularly onerous commitment and it provides a qualification plateau where you can then decide what further options are open to you.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 01:56
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Originally Posted by Bealzebub View Post
No it won’t make any difference at all.
Thats not entirely correct.
If you are a habitual offender you may very well have an issue with authority and following common safety rules.

One ticket? No, shouldn’t be an issue unless it was for 107 in a school zone.
Don’t get more then one ticket every couple of years though.

And yes, answer the question honestly.
The question is not about the ticket anyway, it’s about your honesty.
If you say no and it comes up at some later time you’ll be escorted out the door.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 02:06
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He didn’t say he was a “habitual offender” he said he had been snapped by a speed camera and the question related to an “SP30”
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 02:14
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I know.
I answered your original post before you went back and edited.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 07:09
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I had a friend who worked for ATC and the psychological profiling interview had all sorts of questions like this.

He told me if you were “totally clean of everything” that was a definite fail.

There were some interesting “what if” ones where you could fail by doing the “correct thing”, you had to be honest about it.

“it’s late at night, there are no other cars, you are taking your wife to A&E, you come across a red light, it stays red, it stays red for 5 minutes, you begin to suspect it’s broken, you’ve not seen another car for 5 minutes, do you drive through the red light?”

The question was built a stage at a time, to see when you’d drive through it, one chap was adamant a red light was a red light and he’d not drive through it, he didn’t last long apparently.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 07:28
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 08:42
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"Your friend" obviously didn't work for the same ATC providers I worked with: not having any convictions certainly wouldn't be a "fail" - how would that work for someone with no driving licence? I've worked with plenty who've never had as much as a parking ticket! Lot's of interview questions are designed to see how you answer, rather than what you answer, but it's very unlikely that the answer to one question will make or break, it's more nuanced than that.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 08:51
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The RAF reckoned that a young man who was a motorcyclist with a speeding offence conviction was a good bet for becoming a fast jet pilot.

Speaking as someone who had two on his licence, it makes little difference to many employers. I got one of mine when my employer phoned me telling me that they had just brought my takeoff time forward by an hour. I was already driving to work at the time....
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 09:05
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No one is perfect and knowingly or now, we sometimes break the rules. Few occasional mishaps should not affect your career path as long as they do not show a steady pattern. Make sure you present them on a disclosure form unless they have been completely rehabilitated. And good luck with your career!
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 09:37
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I would very much doubt it.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 09:53
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Well I once long long ago found out about the 250kt speed limit below FL100 when I went through the Manchester VFR low level corridor at 420kts and I did not get grounded!!!! So I guess you will be alright.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 09:58
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My mind drifts back to early in my military flying career, in the days before speed cameras, when I was pulled over by the boys in blue for speeding. My opening phrase of 'It's a fair cop guv, give me the bracelets' didn't go down well, neither did my excuse that the beer belly of the navigator in the passenger seat had obscured the speedo! Clearly I blame this incident on preventing me reaching the rank of Air Chief Marshal like my mate did but hey you only live once;-)
Notwithstanding the fact that there's a whole generation of snowflakes out there who faint if you 'say a bad word', I think I'm safe in saying that no one gives a sh*t about a speeding ticket :-)
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 10:33
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It's a one-off minor offence, the sort of thing which can happen to anyone, even to the most law-abiding ones. What any reasonable airline recruiter would be worried about are repetitive major offences which disclose a dangerous attitude and poor risk awareness. Also, DUI is a big no-no in itself. Someone who's got a problem with substances should by default light a big red bulb in the head of anyone in airline recruitment. But in your case there's nothing to worry about.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 11:24
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I would think that honestly answering the question, and expressing genuine regret at the mistake would be a far better judge of character. It worked for me......got the job. (and I was a policeman at the time!)
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 11:25
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Dufo

sorry, what do you mean by “completely rehabilitated?” My understanding is that for airline work any convictions are must be disclosed even if spent in the eyes of the law and no longer active on your licence.

Mine stays “active” for 5 years.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 12:00
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Not likely to come up. 90 in a 30 might raise a few eyebrows...DIU definitely will cause a problem, in fact in FAA land you could lose your flying licence. However a minor speed exceedance as nearly everyone experiences will not affect joining an airline including the situation you describe.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 12:08
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I had a Disabled Driver's licence when I started flying training. Didn't stop me so I doubt they looked very hard..
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This does not seem to indicate they are not held to the usual standards
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 12:13
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Originally Posted by rob_ste97 View Post
Dufo

sorry, what do you mean by “completely rehabilitated?” My understanding is that for airline work any convictions are must be disclosed even if spent in the eyes of the law and no longer active on your licence.
Where does it say that?
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