Becoming a pilot After COVID-19
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The airlines are delusional when they predict only a 40% reduction in passenger travel over the next 12 months. The airlines are losing millions per week and the government loans will only give them about 8 months of breathing space before they are back to square one. This is only phase one of redundancies and many more will follow after September when the passengers don’t return in sufficient numbers, aviation will never be the same again because without a vaccine in the next 12 months airlines will fail and recovery will take a minimum of 5 years to recover but once again only with a cure. My advice is think very carefully about starting your training anytime soon, wait for a vaccine and then start, and by the time you finish you may be in the right position to get your dream job. Good luck[/QUOTE]
I agree totally with this.....Flight Schools are being irresponsible by promoting Integrated Courses at this time and should switch everyone to Modular.
The airlines are delusional when they predict only a 40% reduction in passenger travel over the next 12 months. The airlines are losing millions per week and the government loans will only give them about 8 months of breathing space before they are back to square one. This is only phase one of redundancies and many more will follow after September when the passengers don’t return in sufficient numbers, aviation will never be the same again because without a vaccine in the next 12 months airlines will fail and recovery will take a minimum of 5 years to recover but once again only with a cure. My advice is think very carefully about starting your training anytime soon, wait for a vaccine and then start, and by the time you finish you may be in the right position to get your dream job. Good luck[/QUOTE]
I agree totally with this.....Flight Schools are being irresponsible by promoting Integrated Courses at this time and should switch everyone to Modular.
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One thing to consider, and I stress I have no inside information whatsoever but I offer this as a general point of principle.
Once upon a time (otherwise known as January this year), the big integrated schools looked like rock solid businesses where your cash would be safe as houses. Now? Who knows. You have well established airlines talking about the current situation as an existential threat. Could these business ultimately fail over the coming months/years? Almost unthinkable until recently but if I was looking at sizeable payments for integrated training I would be thinking carefully about my exposure to these sorts of risks.
Yet another reason why, second only to postponing your training, modular looks like the smartest option right now.
Once upon a time (otherwise known as January this year), the big integrated schools looked like rock solid businesses where your cash would be safe as houses. Now? Who knows. You have well established airlines talking about the current situation as an existential threat. Could these business ultimately fail over the coming months/years? Almost unthinkable until recently but if I was looking at sizeable payments for integrated training I would be thinking carefully about my exposure to these sorts of risks.
Yet another reason why, second only to postponing your training, modular looks like the smartest option right now.
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What is your assessment as to when you might gain employment?
Your best strategy is to delay the course until a vaccine is available, unless of course money is no object and the course will not create a mountain of debt.....
Modular might be the wiser option until Crystal Balls are fully “S”.
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Modular student currently doing my PPL at Redhill aviation. Given the current state of the industry i am u sure where continuing my training is the right thing to do for now i plan to finish my PPL first. I was wondering what people thought of the timeline is spacing out a good idea would i end up finishing my training potentially during a next hiring wave.
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Peter_Ahons, if you are worried about finishing training in a hiring wave then its best for you to stop flying now and go find a different industry.
In the last 20 years the only hiring boom was probably the previous 3 years just before the covid.
Anytime out side of that it was always difficult to get the first flying job, often people would have taken 3 to 5 years to find the first multi crew job in the period between 2000 to 2014 (the main exception to that were those placed by the integrated schools and those paying 30k to Ryanair for a rating). There was a small peak around late 2007 followed by the downturn in 2008.
I doubt we will see recruitment levels of the previous three years ever again (again based on the trend of the last 20 years then in 17 years time, who knows), and I will say this again the last three years was the exception not the normal, the last three years has given too many people a false perception of the industry. Flight training was always a gamble.
If you are single with no commitments then generally there are/will be opportunities somewhere at some point.
In the last 20 years the only hiring boom was probably the previous 3 years just before the covid.
Anytime out side of that it was always difficult to get the first flying job, often people would have taken 3 to 5 years to find the first multi crew job in the period between 2000 to 2014 (the main exception to that were those placed by the integrated schools and those paying 30k to Ryanair for a rating). There was a small peak around late 2007 followed by the downturn in 2008.
I doubt we will see recruitment levels of the previous three years ever again (again based on the trend of the last 20 years then in 17 years time, who knows), and I will say this again the last three years was the exception not the normal, the last three years has given too many people a false perception of the industry. Flight training was always a gamble.
If you are single with no commitments then generally there are/will be opportunities somewhere at some point.
Modular student currently doing my PPL at Redhill aviation. Given the current state of the industry i am u sure where continuing my training is the right thing to do for now i plan to finish my PPL first. I was wondering what people thought of the timeline is spacing out a good idea would i end up finishing my training potentially during a next hiring wave.
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Commercial Training- June 2024 Multi- Engine Piston Rating : Multi- Engine instrument rating: CPL
Night Rating - October 2020
Hour Building: September 2020- February 2022
ATPLs: September 2022 - December 2023 (15months ATPLs Passed ) -
Commercial Training- June 2024 Multi- Engine Piston Rating : Multi- Engine instrument rating: CPL
You should finish your PPL and night rating then take your ATPLs then aim to get your IRR, CBIR and SECPL as quickly as possible. That saves the ATPLs. You won't have a fATPL but you will have a CPL/IR. You'll have spent in total about 4x the cost of your PPL (circa £30k) and when the hiring starts, you can upgrade to a fATPL in a few weeks, then apply for jobs with a 'fresh' MEIR and MCC/JOC. That last bit might not happen quickly, so there's nothing stopping you becoming an FI in the mean time.
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WITHOUT PREJUDICE
Just one thing to add ~ confirm that you have been issued with a Class One Medical.
It will lapse eventually into a Class Two, and finally expire.
You can renew it before the expiry of the Class Two, or, if you pause the flying, ensure that it expires by no more than 5 years, otherwise full Initial is required again.
As the outcome of BREXIT v. EASA is still to be resolved, check the validity of the above paragraphs early 2021.
Just one thing to add ~ confirm that you have been issued with a Class One Medical.
It will lapse eventually into a Class Two, and finally expire.
You can renew it before the expiry of the Class Two, or, if you pause the flying, ensure that it expires by no more than 5 years, otherwise full Initial is required again.
As the outcome of BREXIT v. EASA is still to be resolved, check the validity of the above paragraphs early 2021.
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Hi guys,
I am organising a webinar on this issue for young aspiring pilots to ask questions from someone who is an experienced pilot has work experience in alternative industries and recently completed a degree .Having gone through a crisis myself I can imagine the dilemma you all are facing. You will be able to ask questions as it will be a live webinar. If any of you is interested you can register on:
https://she-pilots.com/webinar-registration-planb/
I am organising a webinar on this issue for young aspiring pilots to ask questions from someone who is an experienced pilot has work experience in alternative industries and recently completed a degree .Having gone through a crisis myself I can imagine the dilemma you all are facing. You will be able to ask questions as it will be a live webinar. If any of you is interested you can register on:
https://she-pilots.com/webinar-registration-planb/
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What amazes me is how these conversations ALWAYS descend in to name calling and arguing! People are genuinely looking for advice and help, common sense would say ‘go to a forum with pilots and ask them for assistance’. Give it a few days and it’s chaos.
I understand that people will have different ideas about the way to proceed with training and the effect of COVID on the industry. But let’s try and be mature, help each other out and be respectful to one another.
every thread is full to brim with ‘glossy brochure this’ and ‘mummy and daddy that’ with the odd splattering ‘You are an idiot if you don’t go modular’.
it’s not helpful.
rant over! Peace
I understand that people will have different ideas about the way to proceed with training and the effect of COVID on the industry. But let’s try and be mature, help each other out and be respectful to one another.
every thread is full to brim with ‘glossy brochure this’ and ‘mummy and daddy that’ with the odd splattering ‘You are an idiot if you don’t go modular’.
it’s not helpful.
rant over! Peace
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Hello,
Hope all are keeping well.
Despite our current extraordinary circumstances. I have been looking into two integrated flight training courses. Those being FTE Jerez and also L3 Harris.
Any information on them? I have read about L3 having a few issues.
What is the general thoughts on going modular, is that more suitable with the issues in the industry?
I am fully aware that the industry is currently in turmoil... would that encourage the modular route being the better?
Thank you
Hope all are keeping well.
Despite our current extraordinary circumstances. I have been looking into two integrated flight training courses. Those being FTE Jerez and also L3 Harris.
Any information on them? I have read about L3 having a few issues.
What is the general thoughts on going modular, is that more suitable with the issues in the industry?
I am fully aware that the industry is currently in turmoil... would that encourage the modular route being the better?
Thank you
I have the money myself sat in a bank account and a well paid job so I would suite a modular course better anyway. But I wouldn’t dream of doing an integrated course over the next several years. The risk of financial loss due to upfront costs and lack of jobs plus security mostly.
The industry will recover but we are in no sensible position to predict it any further than what the airline boards have already, which were based on Q1 and partial Q2 figures.
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Hi guys,
What is better to get a job when aviation recovers, a pilot with 1500hrs flown in a Cessna 172 or a pilot with 350hrs but with a type rating in the airplane to be flown in the airline?
What is better to get a job when aviation recovers, a pilot with 1500hrs flown in a Cessna 172 or a pilot with 350hrs but with a type rating in the airplane to be flown in the airline?
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What amazes me is how these conversations ALWAYS descend in to name calling and arguing! People are genuinely looking for advice and help, common sense would say ‘go to a forum with pilots and ask them for assistance’. Give it a few days and it’s chaos.
I understand that people will have different ideas about the way to proceed with training and the effect of COVID on the industry. But let’s try and be mature, help each other out and be respectful to one another.
every thread is full to brim with ‘glossy brochure this’ and ‘mummy and daddy that’ with the odd splattering ‘You are an idiot if you don’t go modular’.
it’s not helpful.
rant over! Peace
I understand that people will have different ideas about the way to proceed with training and the effect of COVID on the industry. But let’s try and be mature, help each other out and be respectful to one another.
every thread is full to brim with ‘glossy brochure this’ and ‘mummy and daddy that’ with the odd splattering ‘You are an idiot if you don’t go modular’.
it’s not helpful.
rant over! Peace
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Modular student currently doing my PPL at Redhill aviation. Given the current state of the industry i am u sure where continuing my training is the right thing to do for now i plan to finish my PPL first. I was wondering what people thought of the timeline is spacing out a good idea would i end up finishing my training potentially during a next hiring wave.
Night Rating - October 2020
Hour Building: September 2020- February 2022
ATPLs: September 2022 - December 2023 (15months ATPLs Passed ) -
Commercial Training- June 2024 Multi- Engine Piston Rating : Multi- Engine instrument rating: CPL
Night Rating - October 2020
Hour Building: September 2020- February 2022
ATPLs: September 2022 - December 2023 (15months ATPLs Passed ) -
Commercial Training- June 2024 Multi- Engine Piston Rating : Multi- Engine instrument rating: CPL
ATPL also covers CPL theory and IR theory. You have quite enough time to get those ratings after ATPL theory and postpone huge payments for advance courses like SEIR, ME, and CPL are. Don’t forget once you have a rating you have to prolong it every year.
