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CAE easyJet MPL 2020

Old 20th Mar 2020, 08:18
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Don't worry, I won't be committing to anything without the relevant pieces of information in place. I've worked in the industry for several years, and know not to be that naive.
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Old 20th Mar 2020, 11:02
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Originally Posted by PilotMatt2020 View Post
Maybe I should rephrase that to 'if it actually goes ahead'. Which like you say, with the current situation, I am sceptical of anyway if I am honest.

I would like to think that if they were likely to be going under in the next few months that training schemes would get pulled before they even start in order to save on costs. But needless to say it is unlikely I'd be giving any training school any money before some sort of guarantee is in place in case that did happen after training has commenced.
Problem is it is your money that would be wasted so, unfortunately, the school don’t care and they will be crying out for cash soon so it’s in their best interest to get you in.
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Old 20th Mar 2020, 11:28
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Originally Posted by VariablePitchP View Post
Problem is it is your money that would be wasted so, unfortunately, the school don’t care and they will be crying out for cash soon so it’s in their best interest to get you in.
Careful with this... schools sell training which has nothing to do with job landing... it's in their best interest to sell that training ... whether you have a job or not by the end of the process... that don't really care if their business line is up and running.
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Old 20th Mar 2020, 14:27
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Originally Posted by Sorath View Post
Careful with this... schools sell training which has nothing to do with job landing... it's in their best interest to sell that training ... whether you have a job or not by the end of the process... that don't really care if their business line is up and running.
Exactly, the school will be absolutely delighted to sell you an ATPL/MPL. Doesn’t help when there’s not a single use for it. At that point you’ve just got an expensive photo album sadly.
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 16:51
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Originally Posted by PilotMatt2020 View Post
I would like to think that if they were likely to be going under in the next few months that training schemes would get pulled before they even start in order to save on costs. .
Actually it is quite the contrary. The more likely they are to go under, the more eager they will be to sign you up for a course and take your money.
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 18:18
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Originally Posted by portos8 View Post
Actually it is quite the contrary. The more likely they are to go under, the more eager they will be to sign you up for a course and take your money.
This was in regards to the airline that the course is affiliated to, not the flight school itself. Clearly the flight school is not going to want to not take in students.
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 22:50
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Anybody in a current cohort have any insight as to what’s going on with current and future classes? No word from CAE on this........yet.
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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 09:42
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Sadly I know the contracts for the new starters, just finishing up the end of the course, have all been voided. easyJet have cancelled them, cancelled the bond repayment and they have been put in the holding pool.

Unprecedented times.
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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 10:22
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I'd be surprised to see easyJet hiring any pilots for a very, very long time. It seems almost certain that the fleet will be significantly shrunk and the pilot workforce is fairly young. It's hard to see that easyJet would need to do any significant recruitment for the next decade (assuming it even survives of course).
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 11:19
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Thanks you ed.pierce !! You passed it easily ?
Are there any surprising things in stage 2 that I might anticipate more ?
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 08:56
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Snoop

It's amazing to read how people actually working at EZ are praying to keep their jobs whilst the entire fleet is grounded.... and on the other side you have people totally ignoring this asking what they should expect for stage 2 at the flight [email protected] mattpilote you can anticipate to end up with a useless MPL , 120 k poorer and no job ... be wise go modular if you have the money .. work on a plan b

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Old 24th Mar 2020, 09:25
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If you are in any doubt and for clarification, ask any of the FlyBe MPL pilots what they think of the MPL!
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 11:20
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Airlines wont be recruiting for many years in big numbers. CAE will not tell you this as they still
want your money, obviously.

Walk away. Go do something else, then come
back in a couple of years when we know what the future aviation industry looks like.
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 12:28
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Historically, had I been able to afford it, I'd have considered a self-funded MPL with a reputable airline. Now, after the recent situation my view is that unless an airline is paying up front, go for the modular route unless you can still afford to live comfortably after losing the entire lot.

The inherent financial instability of the airline industry is such that getting into pretty much any debt at all during training is not worth the risk, airline programme or no airline programme.
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 13:16
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MPL. Made redundant with 290 hours TT. Will I ever work again? And I suspect there are many others.
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 15:32
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Guys being made redundant at the moment maybe wondering if they’ll ever fly again. If you think that your position at stage 2 is safe you’ve got another thing coming! Unbelievable people would still entertain MPL or integrated!
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 15:56
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Originally Posted by Mickey Kaye View Post
MPL. Made redundant with 290 hours TT. Will I ever work again? And I suspect there are many others.
Is this with easyJet or annother carrier(flybe)?
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Old 26th Mar 2020, 21:32
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With BMI, Monarch, TC & Flybe all gone, now CV-19, flight schedule reductions from Loganair, BA & Easy I cannot see a quick return to hiring low hour FOs.

I know because I had my Loganair Sim Assessment cancelled and HR say that ONLY Flybe or ATR rated crews are being recruited. And even they are looking at ways to prevent redundancies now. Eastern want their FOs to have 1000 hours (I do) and 500 multi (I don't: 52).

Then there's Norwegian. Delta. Qantas. Air New Zealand. VA & Gulf states various all cutting back. Missed anyone?

Then of course we are leaving EASA allegedly. But here in Scotland we may rejoin if independent. Talk about slowing to Va...

Modular has to be the way forward now...baby steps. Or just dive in & hang on financially.

Doing my other job I saw a BA A320 leave INV for LHR with 17 pax 25th March. Came back today with 27 I think. That'll work.
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Old 29th Mar 2020, 16:24
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Originally Posted by Pilot2/b View Post
Guys being made redundant at the moment maybe wondering if they’ll ever fly again. If you think that your position at stage 2 is safe you’ve got another thing coming! Unbelievable people would still entertain MPL or integrated!
Couldn't agree more. I started my PPL just 4 months before the financial crash of 2008. Took me 6 years to finish my modular training, and a further 2+ years waiting for the market to turn, but when it did, my god did it turn. I was told (by many) I spent too long training, in hindsight I think I timed it very well. Any earlier would have seen me sitting around for even longer waiting for a job. DON'T train integrated for the next few years, you'll be throwing away very large amounts of potentially useful cash at nothing. Go modular and take your time. Wait for the next cycle to start climbing before you aim to be finished. Good luck everyone.
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 12:17
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Radio Scotland reporting easyjet to ground it’s fleet - good news is that it will avail itself of the UK government’s 80% salary help.

And Loganair now going cap-in-hand too...there goes my dream for sure! Still, instructing in the Highlands is nice...🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
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