CAE Oxford - Contracts for 2020
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CAE acquired a number of independent FTO's some years ago - each held an approval in it's own right for training outside of member states under JAR and therefore training in Phoenix was approved by the Belgian CAA (BCAA) for the former Sabena Flight Academy/Sabena Airline Training Center (SFA/CAE Brussels), the Dutch IVW/ILeNT for the Nationale luchtvaartschool (NLS/CAE Amsterdam), and subsequently, when OAA was bought in 2012, a UK CAA approval for that operation. CAE Phoenix was effectively three EU approvals under one roof. Things are different under EASA and certainly efforts were made to rationalise the three operations (in fact, the aim was to align them with FAA as far as possible, which couldn't work). OAA was not alone holding approvals as far back as 2001 either as the UK CAA also approved the University of Western Michigan and a number of other smaller operations (FlightSafety held a CAP509 approval pre-JAR at their Vero Beach, FL facility), the LBA approved Lufthansa Flight Training/ATCA and the Dutch, the KLM Flight Academy in Ryan, AZ and later Deer Valley, Phoenix, and Fort Pierce, Florida. I don't believe anything was snuck through by virtue of grandfathering - these were all legitimate, standalone approvals.
Is the CAA re-establishing certification capability?
Is the CAA re-establishing certification capability?
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You would be crazy to go integrated, someone with your life experience and hours will HATE the integrated environment. (I went to the other one, not CAE)
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Thought I'd update those within this thread,
Following discussions and suggestions on Modular, I've now booked my ATPL Theory with a April 2020 start date with FTA at Shoreham.
Between now & then I will update & build hours required on my PPL along with securing a night rating on a PA28 I have access to at Andrewsfield.
CAE did eventually get back to me with start dates:
Thanks to all those who stepped in to advise, I do believe the correct choice has been made.
Following discussions and suggestions on Modular, I've now booked my ATPL Theory with a April 2020 start date with FTA at Shoreham.
Between now & then I will update & build hours required on my PPL along with securing a night rating on a PA28 I have access to at Andrewsfield.
CAE did eventually get back to me with start dates:
- Friday 24th of January 2020 – AP436
- Friday 20th of March 2020 – AP437
Thanks to all those who stepped in to advise, I do believe the correct choice has been made.
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I received some mixed opinions at CAE Madrid. Regarding the contracts situation they seemed to still be uncertain, at least that's what they said, and they actually said it is not a good time to start training because the airlines are reorganising the positions available and don't know what's gonna be next.
It is a bit aside from the main topic but also concerning CAE. I am planning to enrol in the CAE Vueling Cadet Programme and, when in Madrid, I felt like I was trying to be convinced to enrol in the MPL with Easyjet over the Integrated ATPL and the other courses.
I personally think that getting into an MPL with Easyjet is a good option and you might have a job secured, but in the other hand you are limited to that airline for a long time because you are instructed according to their job ethics and philosophy.
That's why I consider the Vueling Cadet program is better for some reasons, worse for others:
- It costs, in the end, around 15k euros less than the Easyjet MPL, because it includes accommodation, transportation and flights to all 3 schooling locations, and the EJ MPL only includes it in Phoenix, AZ;
- It also puts you toward a job with Vueling after you finish, considering you have the required results;
- Even though you'll be making around 2k net in the 1st year, you'll have the bonuses, etc and the following years you will probably get a raise. Also Vueling has a good reputation and seems stable so far (if I'm not misinformed);
- By being an ATPL course you're free to choose another airline after your contract is over which I consider being something really good if you intend to join a bigger and better airline in or outside Europe, or at least try to;
- It is true that at Easyjet you'll be making more money straight away but, again, you have to stick with them and maybe you don't know at this point (before beginning your training) if you'll want to work at EJ forever. Also, British Airways is the only airline recruiting from EJ (I was told by CAE), which means your path will be either sticking with Easyjet or after some time, luckily, moving to BA, which might not be easy, but it all depends on your success.
I've read a lot about CAE and L3 and my opinion is that L3 is not in good terms, not even in Portugal, so I'm not considering this school. Regarding CAE, many people say that it is more about the money and that those who go there think they are entitled to something better and greater, which I think shouldn't be the case, but simply because paying more for its reputation and connections might help you get a job faster having in consideration that you actually worked hard and are one of the best.
I just want to make it clear that I am also a bit uncertain on what to do and so I am simply expressing my thoughts, which may be wrong or not suitable for some, but that's why we have these forums, so that we can comment on things and give our opinions.
It is a bit aside from the main topic but also concerning CAE. I am planning to enrol in the CAE Vueling Cadet Programme and, when in Madrid, I felt like I was trying to be convinced to enrol in the MPL with Easyjet over the Integrated ATPL and the other courses.
I personally think that getting into an MPL with Easyjet is a good option and you might have a job secured, but in the other hand you are limited to that airline for a long time because you are instructed according to their job ethics and philosophy.
That's why I consider the Vueling Cadet program is better for some reasons, worse for others:
- It costs, in the end, around 15k euros less than the Easyjet MPL, because it includes accommodation, transportation and flights to all 3 schooling locations, and the EJ MPL only includes it in Phoenix, AZ;
- It also puts you toward a job with Vueling after you finish, considering you have the required results;
- Even though you'll be making around 2k net in the 1st year, you'll have the bonuses, etc and the following years you will probably get a raise. Also Vueling has a good reputation and seems stable so far (if I'm not misinformed);
- By being an ATPL course you're free to choose another airline after your contract is over which I consider being something really good if you intend to join a bigger and better airline in or outside Europe, or at least try to;
- It is true that at Easyjet you'll be making more money straight away but, again, you have to stick with them and maybe you don't know at this point (before beginning your training) if you'll want to work at EJ forever. Also, British Airways is the only airline recruiting from EJ (I was told by CAE), which means your path will be either sticking with Easyjet or after some time, luckily, moving to BA, which might not be easy, but it all depends on your success.
I've read a lot about CAE and L3 and my opinion is that L3 is not in good terms, not even in Portugal, so I'm not considering this school. Regarding CAE, many people say that it is more about the money and that those who go there think they are entitled to something better and greater, which I think shouldn't be the case, but simply because paying more for its reputation and connections might help you get a job faster having in consideration that you actually worked hard and are one of the best.
I just want to make it clear that I am also a bit uncertain on what to do and so I am simply expressing my thoughts, which may be wrong or not suitable for some, but that's why we have these forums, so that we can comment on things and give our opinions.
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Wow, where to start.
I personally think that getting into an MPL with Easyjet is a good option and you might have a job secured, but in the other hand you are limited to that airline for a long time because you are instructed according to their job ethics and philosophy.
Not true at all. You can leave ezy on the first day if you wish. I know first hand people who are still enjoying their time with ezy, as well as people who have left to move to other employment within the first 12 months.
That's why I consider the Vueling Cadet program is better for some reasons, worse for others:
- It costs, in the end, around 15k euros less than the Easyjet MPL, because it includes accommodation, transportation and flights to all 3 schooling locations, and the EJ MPL only includes it in Phoenix, AZ;
A good point to consider.
- It also puts you toward a job with Vueling after you finish, considering you have the required results;
The easyJet MPL will do exactly the same.
- Even though you'll be making around 2k net in the 1st year, you'll have the bonuses, etc and the following years you will probably get a raise. Also Vueling has a good reputation and seems stable so far (if I'm not misinformed);
easyJet is at least as stable as Vueling. You will get £3,000 a month first year in UK, more if based in Europe.
- By being an ATPL course you're free to choose another airline after your contract is over which I consider being something really good if you intend to join a bigger and better airline in or outside Europe, or at least try to;
It’s great that you give yourself options but the only choosing will be from the airlines. 99.9% of the time when you graduate you will lucky to have one offer of employment, very, very rarely will you have a choice between two employers.
- It is true that at Easyjet you'll be making more money straight away but, again, you have to stick with them and maybe you don't know at this point (before beginning your training) if you'll want to work at EJ forever. Also, British Airways is the only airline recruiting from EJ (I was told by CAE), which means your path will be either sticking with Easyjet or after some time, luckily, moving to BA, which might not be easy, but it all depends on your success.
See above point. You are free to go from day 1. You can take your MPL to the vast majority of airlines including national carriers straight away. Also remember after 1500hrs you can convert your MPL into an ATPL as part of your sim check.
I've read a lot about CAE and L3 and my opinion is that L3 is not in good terms, not even in Portugal, so I'm not considering this school. Regarding CAE, many people say that it is more about the money and that those who go there think they are entitled to something better and greater, which I think shouldn't be the case, but simply because paying more for its reputation and connections might help you get a job faster having in consideration that you actually worked hard and are one of the best.
I just want to make it clear that I am also a bit uncertain on what to do and so I am simply expressing my thoughts, which may be wrong or not suitable for some, but that's why we have these forums, so that we can comment on things and give our opinions.
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Hello,
I passed stage 3 on the 17/07 session and I was offered the EZY ATPL Tagged route. From my last inquiry in October, I have absolutely no news concerning 2020 starting dates. Are the people in the same situation?
I also want some information about Madrid CAE for ground school compared to Brussels as it's a quite new training center.
Cheers,
I passed stage 3 on the 17/07 session and I was offered the EZY ATPL Tagged route. From my last inquiry in October, I have absolutely no news concerning 2020 starting dates. Are the people in the same situation?
I also want some information about Madrid CAE for ground school compared to Brussels as it's a quite new training center.
Cheers,
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Hello,
There are about 40 people who were offered EZY ATPL tagged route and all are waiting for 2020 starting dates confirmation.
I have no clear information when these dates will be given to us...so we are all in a waiting game..
Cheers,
There are about 40 people who were offered EZY ATPL tagged route and all are waiting for 2020 starting dates confirmation.
I have no clear information when these dates will be given to us...so we are all in a waiting game..
Cheers,
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I also passed my stage 3 assessment and interview back in June and offered the tagged route.
After 5 months of no information from CAE, they’ve now contacted me to inform me that the tagged route no longer exists and I would have to train as a white tail. Has anyone else received this response from CAE? It’s absolutely shocking communication and actions of CAE, not honouring the training route we deserved to be on. All they were concerned with is securing their exclusive MPL deal, everyone else has been let down.
After 5 months of no information from CAE, they’ve now contacted me to inform me that the tagged route no longer exists and I would have to train as a white tail. Has anyone else received this response from CAE? It’s absolutely shocking communication and actions of CAE, not honouring the training route we deserved to be on. All they were concerned with is securing their exclusive MPL deal, everyone else has been let down.
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Most of us received the same email, ATPL tagged route does not exist anymore and what is shocking is that it applies retroactively!!! Very disappointing how both companies handled the entire process for more than 40 people...
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Hi guys,
Same situation for me, that's totally disappointing and unacceptable ...
I successfully passed the Generation easyJet stage 3 last June and got the ATPL route. I have been waiting for more than 5 months and yesterday I got the same email.
So in CAE they open Cadet Programmes, they fix rules, you keep these rules and you succeed ... but at the end they change the rules and you are fu*ed !!
And of course if we want to join the easyJet MPL route we have to retake all the assessments (Stage 2 & 3).
Shame on you CAE, totally disrespectful
Same situation for me, that's totally disappointing and unacceptable ...
I successfully passed the Generation easyJet stage 3 last June and got the ATPL route. I have been waiting for more than 5 months and yesterday I got the same email.
So in CAE they open Cadet Programmes, they fix rules, you keep these rules and you succeed ... but at the end they change the rules and you are fu*ed !!
And of course if we want to join the easyJet MPL route we have to retake all the assessments (Stage 2 & 3).
Shame on you CAE, totally disrespectful
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I know CAE Oxford has a poor reputation with students these days. But pi***ng off batches of 40 a time is not going to help.
CAE usually want a 30 to 40% profit margin on their activities. They make it on training with the worlds MoDs and for contracts with airlines from hot and sandy parts of the world, and on MPL courses. Rumour is they wanted to charge £160k for an integrated ATPL, as paid by a couple of the ME outfits, but the boys in Orange would not wear it.
CAE usually want a 30 to 40% profit margin on their activities. They make it on training with the worlds MoDs and for contracts with airlines from hot and sandy parts of the world, and on MPL courses. Rumour is they wanted to charge £160k for an integrated ATPL, as paid by a couple of the ME outfits, but the boys in Orange would not wear it.
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I passed stage 2 a month ago and I've been trying since then to get in touch with them about Vueling's Cadet programme (the one I applied for) and they still didn't send me any confirmation, all they said was that it was on hold for now. Anyone having trouble with Vueling programme?
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New CAE EasyJet MPL
CAE to train more than 1,000 new EasyJet pilots under cadet training agreement
MPL Cadet Programme (excl. accommodation & ground transport): €92,739 (~£79,500)
This is a lot cheaper than the previous MPL cadet programme they offered where it costed around £100,000
You can complete the ground school phase at either one of their Madrid, Brussels, Milan or Oxford campuses. MPL training will also be conducted at Milan, Manchester and London Gatwick.
What do you think of this? Or would you prefer to do an ATPL course?
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FTA SHOREHAM
Does anyone here have any experience of FTA? I will find time this week coming to go down (believe they do it on a Thursday) but they also offer an integrated scheme with a discount applied if already holding a PPL - so another option, but it would make more sense possibly modular.
Again, all thoughts welcome - thank you for taking the time to respond.[/QUOTE]
yes it’s is correct they allow visits to their school every Thursday at 10am, just needs to be prebooked via their website (you can even bring a friend/parent/partner etc with you during the visit)
am looking to go after XMAS, am interested in their Intergrated course and would like to find out how the bulk of their former students get on after graduating...
will post back here after my visit in Jan 2020.
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Does anyone here have any experience of FTA? I will find time this week coming to go down (believe they do it on a Thursday) but they also offer an integrated scheme with a discount applied if already holding a PPL - so another option, but it would make more sense possibly modular.
Again, all thoughts welcome - thank you for taking the time to respond.
yes it’s is correct they allow visits to their school every Thursday at 10am, just needs to be prebooked via their website (you can even bring a friend/parent/partner etc with you during the visit)
am looking to go after XMAS, am interested in their Intergrated course and would like to find out how the bulk of their former students get on after graduating...
will post back here after my visit in Jan 2020.
They have a very competent marketing departement for sure. One of their lines: "students place themselves". Genius! Make sure you get some time with staff, instructors, head of training, and all the people that will count in during your training, which are generally not met during tours. Also, take the time to read terms and conditions, as with any other provider.
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Guys, has anyone that passed all the assessment stages for the Vueling cadet pilot program heard from CAE regarding the start of the next class in Madrid on February 17? I mean if they already confirmed that you were selected and admitted to start GS in February. I've passed 3 stages and I'm waiting for a supposed 4th stage in Barcelona but they won't answer or give me any details, which makes me think there might not be any stage 4 because they were convinced with my stage 3 results or it's just delayed and I'll hear from them soon. But I'm just kind of impatient to know what's next because as usual CAE isn't that quick on replies.