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Medical Class 1 and state of licence

Old 27th Aug 2019, 09:32
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Medical Class 1 and state of licence

Hi everybody,

I did some research on this topic but there are still a few questions I have:

I'm from EASA State A and hold a PPL(A) and a Class 2 medical that were issued by State A.

I have a medical condition that doesn't allow me to receive a medical class 1 in State A.

However there is EASA State B where I'd have no problem at all receiving an unrestricted class 1 medical.

My goal is the fATPL(A).

I know that your licence must be issued by the state that issued your medical.
Does this refer to the EASA ATPL Theory only, or also to flight training and checkrides - which I would have to complete in State B? Or is it possible to do flight training and checkrides in State A and only ATPL Theory in State B?
I've heard that it would be no problem to receive a licence issued by state B as long as the examiner in state A is qualified according to B's standard - but I'm quite unsure about this.

What about medical 1 renewals in state A? Would I face any issues? Furthermore could I have any trouble when getting hired by an Airline in State A? Does it make any difference if the Airline is from state A or state C?

I hope I found the correct words to explain this complicated topic.

Any help would be much appreciated :-)
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 09:58
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Basically you can get your Class 1 wherever you want while having the Class 2 in State A.
On your application (State B), you need to state that your Class 2, and they ask you (or you just tell them) whether or not you need them to send medical reports to your State of License Issue. (Sometimes you want to keep the Class 1 reports in State B in case you will transfer your licenses also from State A to State B in some time later)

The current situation about getting Class 1 (initial) from different state is you have to be a native English speaker because of Psychological Assessment procedures. Most of the EASA countries used to do (or not) that assessment to whoever enters from their door and in 2019 something has changed. Some hospitals stopped doing that and it was fine. But some SOLI countries (State A in your case) started rejecting those reports when they received from State B because the missing PA reports. The reason why they stopped doing the PA is they claim that the assessment procedures are designed for their native citizens or native English speakers. But in the mean time there is/are some exceptions like Romania. They are still doing Class 1 initial to non-natives. I am not sure if they are doing PA but I know my friend got his Class 1 accepted by another country.

About renewal; you can renew your Class 1/2 in any EASA country. Renewals are more brief assessments so if you have a problem in your State A country that doesn't allow you to get Class 1 and if that condition is not examined during renewal, you'll be good at all. But remember, blood/drug/urine/EKG is always checked.

Finally, some airliners applies a secondary medical check (other than Class 1 check) to their candidates/current-pilots.
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 10:55
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Thank you for the information.

Why would I want to transfer my class 2 medical from A to B. Isn't there a class 2 medical included in the class 1 medical I will receive from B? Are you allowed to both have a class 1 medical from B and a class 2 medical from A at the same time?

I've never heard about the PA before. During the process of making an appointment in state B there was no word about it - however they know I'm resident from A. Do you think I specifically should ask about it?

When I move back to A, can I maintain both licence and medical issued by B? Or do they have to be transferred to A?

Btw it's nothing blood/drug/urine/EKG related ;-)

Any further information about how I could structure my training?

Thank you again
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 14:32
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Originally Posted by Quax1 View Post
Why would I want to transfer my class 2 medical from A to B. Isn't there a class 2 medical included in the class 1 medical I will receive from B? Are you allowed to both have a class 1 medical from B and a class 2 medical from A at the same time?
Not your Class 2, but you may want to transfer all your licenses (PPL, CPL etc.) to another country.

Originally Posted by Quax1 View Post
I've never heard about the PA before. During the process of making an appointment in state B there was no word about it - however they know I'm resident from A. Do you think I specifically should ask about it?
They'll do your Class 1 initial anyways, with or without PA. If there will be a problem with it, State A will tell you. Not State B or the hospital.

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When I move back to A, can I maintain both licence and medical issued by B? Or do they have to be transferred to A?
State B can not issue a license to you. You'll complete your training (if you wish to do so in the State B) and the school needs to find an examiner whom accredited/known by your State A's CAA. He/She might be a State B native examiner but as long as he/she known by State B, there'll be no problem with his/her doing the exam/checkride.
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 16:41
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Originally Posted by unluckyjr View Post
State B can not issue a license to you. You'll complete your training (if you wish to do so in the State B) and the school needs to find an examiner whom accredited/known by your State A's CAA. He/She might be a State B native examiner but as long as he/she known by State B, there'll be no problem with his/her doing the exam/checkride.
Did you maybe mix up State A and State B here?
i thought the state that issues my initial medical (thatís state B since I cannot get one in State A) must issue my license as well. Thatís why I also asked if I have to complete my whole training in State B or the ATPL theory only
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 18:57
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Originally Posted by Quax1 View Post
Did you maybe mix up State A and State B here?
i thought the state that issues my initial medical (thatís state B since I cannot get one in State A) must issue my license as well. Thatís why I also asked if I have to complete my whole training in State B or the ATPL theory only
Nope. State B can give you initial Class 1 but it won't be your SOLI. SOLI can issue pilot licenses.
  • ATPL Theory: Ground School and exams can be done in any EASA country and they will issue certificates (GS certificate and exams certificate)
  • MEP/IR/CPL Practical: Can be done in any EASA country other than SOLI, you'll have course completion certificate which includes a check ride section where the examiner fills in. You'll get them to your State A CAA and they will issue your licenses.
I know the frustration here, you want to avoid State A at all cost. So I think you need to do SOLI transfer to State B and make them have your initial Class 2 and PPL records. Part FCL mandates that you can only have your Class 1/2 records in only one country, which is the SOLI.
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