AFTA, Simtech, VA or any other school for APS MCC
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uncle dickie;
Thank you for the input. I'm looking for a school to do my MCC or APS but haven't decided yet. Reading some reports here and there are a lot of pros and cons for each. My budget limits me but I want to invest in the best way. Because you find more A320 in Europe I think it will be on that one. I'm not looking for Ryan more for easy or Brussels. What do you think? And they only require a standard MCC.
Thank you for the input. I'm looking for a school to do my MCC or APS but haven't decided yet. Reading some reports here and there are a lot of pros and cons for each. My budget limits me but I want to invest in the best way. Because you find more A320 in Europe I think it will be on that one. I'm not looking for Ryan more for easy or Brussels. What do you think? And they only require a standard MCC.
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Rob Howard's comment on APS
Hey there.
Usually I'm not doing this but have a look at this comment. It's about important facts to consider before you take an APS MCC.
https://www.pprune.org/professional-...l#post10490456
Or visit CRM Europe's news section.
Usually I'm not doing this but have a look at this comment. It's about important facts to consider before you take an APS MCC.
https://www.pprune.org/professional-...l#post10490456
Or visit CRM Europe's news section.
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I will contact Pilots ATO. AFTA not replying. Maybe too many mail request. Decided against Sky4u although some friends recommended. Now some of my friends say if they knew before would go to another flight school.
Thanks here for your support.
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please checkout some standard MCC providers too. TFC, RWL and Cockpit4u are good flight schools with a high number of school leavers finding a job in a relatively short time frame. All without an APS.
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Spanish flight school
Result of my research is that we don't have any Spanish FS offering APS
But gossip is that it's in the planning. I think it will be with one major like FTE. Can't wait so long. I will visit VA and Simtech first. Then maybe Cockpit4u if I get a cheap ticket
But gossip is that it's in the planning. I think it will be with one major like FTE. Can't wait so long. I will visit VA and Simtech first. Then maybe Cockpit4u if I get a cheap ticket
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While the APS was hyped for several months it became clear by now that it didn't get the attention and the big numbers some schools hoped for. Standard MCC numbers at most traditional flight schools are steady and somewhat constant. That's what I heard. I'm happy that most students didn't run into this trap.
Having been in the position within the last 10 years looking for my first job, I can fully understand the frustration some feel when they have spent a small fortune completing their CPL/IR.
Equally I would advice someone who is in their mid / late 20's or early/mid 30's, that getting stuck into an airline straight away, might seem great at first, but specially in the LCC industry, many face burnout within 10 - 15 years, some even faster, and only option to continue working is going part time.
In the mind of someone applying for their first job, just desperate to fly, this might sound crazy as all they wish at this moment of time is to fly as much as possible, this notion will eventually change with most guys after they have been "abused" enough.
I am not wanting to deter people from a flying career, just telling it how it is. So enjoy flying when you can, chances with airlines does come for most sooner or later. It took me about 18 months from completing my training to get my first job. Some guys even faster, the frustration is great during that initial search, but it's easy to think another extra "Sim course" is going to make it easier, or solve the problem to get the job.
I will repeat what I have said before, save your money, use it wisely, when you get the interview with a specific airline, that's when it's time to splash the cash on sim session, to prepare for that specific airline.
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FTE might be APS approved by the Spanish Regulator? And they have a new A320 FTD1 recently approved. Not cheap but quality training.
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Update for RYR candidates
Many new cadets invited and passed RYR with MCC only, most of them no APS students. On other hand many APS students failed. That's what I heard from inside.
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1. Have you misheard what you were told? Was this just an off the cuff remark ~ a throw away line ? Just how close to the throne was your inside source? In essence, is this snippet actually true & the stats confirm it.
2. Taking your comment on face value, it cannot say much about the quality of certain providers who conduct APS?
Were those who attended APS courses, and failed Ryanair selection recognised by the providers as very marginal at best, and just scraped a PASS by the skin of their teeth?
3. A competent junior birdman attending a MCC or MCC/JOC at a quality provider will undoubtedly be successful. They do need to have been taught well during the light ac phrase. They then produce these basics skills during MCC viz. selecting an attitude and accurate trimming. It is as straightforward as that. The MCC then teaches the 2 crew skills for PF & PM.
If I had to express a view on the quotation, I would challenge the veracity of the statement. Half truths at best?
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It would be truly remarkable if 100% success rate occurred for any group.
It would be interesting to analyse the actual success rate of those who complete purely MCC 4/5, and those who complete a MCC/JOC course. The issue is that as the JOC element is not regulated, there are no mandatory elements.
Reputable providers however will be offering fairly similar courses covering the elements specified by EASA for APS.
The quote is most likely a wind up to provoke reaction. Porkies?
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Good afternoon all,
We can confirm what MaverickPrime said about assessment stats.
This information is also available on our career page.
Our statistics show that over 50% of newly qualified pilots who hold a CPL, frozen ATPL theoretical exams, ME/IR and a standard MCC fail at the initial assessment.
Thank you
We can confirm what MaverickPrime said about assessment stats.
This information is also available on our career page.
Our statistics show that over 50% of newly qualified pilots who hold a CPL, frozen ATPL theoretical exams, ME/IR and a standard MCC fail at the initial assessment.
Thank you
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Good afternoon all,
We can confirm what MaverickPrime said about assessment stats.
This information is also available on our career page.
Our statistics show that over 50% of newly qualified pilots who hold a CPL, frozen ATPL theoretical exams, ME/IR and a standard MCC fail at the initial assessment.
Thank you
We can confirm what MaverickPrime said about assessment stats.
This information is also available on our career page.
Our statistics show that over 50% of newly qualified pilots who hold a CPL, frozen ATPL theoretical exams, ME/IR and a standard MCC fail at the initial assessment.
Thank you
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Good afternoon all,
We can confirm what MaverickPrime said about assessment stats.
This information is also available on our career page.
Our statistics show that over 50% of newly qualified pilots who hold a CPL, frozen ATPL theoretical exams, ME/IR and a standard MCC fail at the initial assessment.
Thank you
We can confirm what MaverickPrime said about assessment stats.
This information is also available on our career page.
Our statistics show that over 50% of newly qualified pilots who hold a CPL, frozen ATPL theoretical exams, ME/IR and a standard MCC fail at the initial assessment.
Thank you
So the potential for a seamless transition from MCC to type rating for junior birdmen.
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@parkfell: Did VA become Ryanair officaly approved APS MCC provider like AFTA and Sky4U ? That would be perfect since their offer for APS MCC looked most interesting.
I checked on their website it looks like a new program appeared like 2 days ago and its a Ryanair approved program, ofc. there is an extra assessment included to prepare for as bonus to the regular Ryanair assessment (that should be everything). Wonder if they made it relevant to flying like the later real assessment or if they created some DLR like stuff that does require a lot of lengthy preparation but is of no use in real flying. Hopefully they made it relevant to flying and someone will give some feedback about it before its my turn to apply.
I checked on their website it looks like a new program appeared like 2 days ago and its a Ryanair approved program, ofc. there is an extra assessment included to prepare for as bonus to the regular Ryanair assessment (that should be everything). Wonder if they made it relevant to flying like the later real assessment or if they created some DLR like stuff that does require a lot of lengthy preparation but is of no use in real flying. Hopefully they made it relevant to flying and someone will give some feedback about it before its my turn to apply.
Last edited by KT1988; 28th Jun 2019 at 07:26. Reason: Found info on VA website