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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 19:37
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Any news on the three schools that make up PTT Aviation?
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 22:58
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Ow! I've seen them go from DTFT to St. George's to PTT so I thought if anyone were to outlast the other schools in EGNV, it would be them! There were I think 2 other schools in EGNV that have come and gone over the last 4-5 years but I thought they were just ran poorly and that's why they've not survived. Any clue why PTT went under?

There are two other schools in EGNV but I don't know how confident I would be taking my business there if PTT couldn't handle it.... unless there is some other reason for PTT for going out of business.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 03:31
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Any news on the three schools that make up PTT Aviation?
Hi,

So I was doing my IR there when I suddenly hear from my instructor that he's fired and the company no longer exists. At first I thought thats a funny joke so whens our next flight but he told me to be serious and look at other schools. My only issue now is how will I obtain my training records as the next school would want to see them? My instructor cant access there database from home and noone seems to be in. Do I just call CAA and hope they sort it out? I'm a bit lost and confused so any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Zeerak
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Zeerak, I believe the school should hand the training records to the CAA. Is/was Andy Todd the HoT as I am sure he will be helpful under these circumstances?
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[QUOTE=Beafer;10231752]PTT is still showing as active on Companies House site, but they have removed their PTT company website, and twitter page.
The owner is still operating his jet company Naljets.

PTT flying schools have stopped operating apparently according to a former student friend of mine and I am told the owner is only just operating his jet company by the skin of his teeth.
A sad day for Aviators in the North East of England.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 11:14
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Zeerak, I believe the school should hand the training records to the CAA. Is/was Andy Todd the HoT as I am sure he will be helpful under these circumstances?
Yeah few people have said speak to Andy, only problem is I don't actually have an email or phone number for him which is annoying. I'll find a way to contact him regardless.

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Originally Posted by Zeerak123 View Post
Hi,

So I was doing my IR there when I suddenly hear from my instructor that he's fired and the company no longer exists. At first I thought thats a funny joke so whens our next flight but he told me to be serious and look at other schools. My only issue now is how will I obtain my training records as the next school would want to see them? My instructor cant access there database from home and noone seems to be in. Do I just call CAA and hope they sort it out? I'm a bit lost and confused so any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Zeerak
Noticed this on the Newcastle Airport thread about PTT.
LBIA post.
Sadly it looks like PPT Aviation have gone. Following notice was on door outside office at the Leeds/Bradford base:

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The Directors of the company have reluctantly taken the decision to place the company into creditors voluntary liquidation.

Date of the Liquidation will be 3rd September 2018.

Any future questions should be sent to [email protected] or 0113 243861
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High costs from using large airports and high prices for their Aircraft probably didn't help. Surprised the base at EGNV can't be saved, that place could do with the revenue.
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PTT is still showing as active on Companies House site, but they have removed their PTT company website, and twitter page.
The owner is still operating his jet company Naljets.

PTT flying schools have stopped operating apparently according to a former student friend of mine and I am told the owner is only just operating his jet company by the skin of his teeth.
A sad day for Aviators in the North East of England.
Only just operating his jet company by the skin of his teeth and yet seemingly left students and his workforce in the lurch with no contact? From what I understood, Multiflight and the staff were a well regarded, well run operation before PTT took over. Spineless behaviour and these types with no captaincy, MCC skills or basic morals aren't safe to be in a cockpit in their "jet company". They deserve to be named and shamed and removed from the industry.
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WOW! How absolutely tragic. What's the story?
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Why am I not surprised at this news........
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 16:15
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No surprise there at all.

Anyone who knows CM would be expecting this to happen, eventually... Amazed how this individual continues to survive after conning and backstabbing so many colleagues and people on his climb to the top.

oh, how the mighty have fallen. Anyone else looking to research just check out Cleveland Flying School, or even a jewelers linked to him that ‘caught fire’ one day....

I hope that there’s no unfortunate students out of pocket from this, sorry to the instructors too.... stinks.

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I was considering doing my ME CPL/IR there earlier this year... glad I received sound advice that took me elsewhere. Very sad.
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Beats me why someone with such a bad track record when it comes to flying schools/training would have bought a training business...2 years on its ruined...my sympathy goes out to the good folks who worked there. I've revalidated with Andy in the past, he's an absolute gent...I hope Multiflight salvage something out of it, at least at Leeds.
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I am not sure the owner of Multiflight would want it back as he was happy to offload it to someone else ... interesting previous comment about CMC and his business dealings though and apparently had previously expressed a dislike for the Flight Training industry which makes you wonder why he took these places on in the first place. He did have a tie up with Wycombe Air Centre but that was terminated by them as soon as they realised what he was like. Sounds like a nasty piece of work to be avoided at all costs.
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Funny how the Cleveland Flying School website is still up. Someone still paying for hosting a non-existent school?

Sad to be reading about how DTFT just got established in 2010 and has already disappeared into St. George then into PTT and then into nothing in just 8 years but I guess that's a very long time for small aviation schools?
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I agree, unlikely Multiflight would see any reason to pick up the pieces, they'll be well aware of the challenges.

There are plenty of smaller aviation schools who have survived for a lot longer, whilst I don't think it's easy it is doable, EGNV is a fantastic place to train, full facilities, hard runway but little traffic, lots of clear training airspace...sadly, Cleveland, TAC, St George, DTFT and Ptt all have one common denominator...
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I agree, unlikely Multiflight would see any reason to pick up the pieces, they'll be well aware of the challenges.

There are plenty of smaller aviation schools who have survived for a lot longer, whilst I don't think it's easy it is doable, EGNV is a fantastic place to train, full facilities, hard runway but little traffic, lots of clear training airspace...sadly, Cleveland, TAC, St George, DTFT and Ptt all have one common denominator...
Whats happens to the planes, are they leased from a finance company or does the PTT director own them? Did they owe the airports money?
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It's pure mismanagement and if you speak to anyone at DTVA who were associated with the company you would find a narrative starts to build, and that there is a common opinion towards the owner who previously ran Cleveland Flying School and Northern Aviation into the ground.

Multiflight, DTFT and Northumbria Flying Schools were three excellent facilities all delivering the goods. There seems to be hints on here that DTVA cannot sustain a flying school but this is not true at all as DTFT were absolutely smashing it out of the park until PTT came along.
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Originally Posted by Crankcracker View Post
There are plenty of smaller aviation schools who have survived for a lot longer, whilst I don't think it's easy it is doable, EGNV is a fantastic place to train, full facilities, hard runway but little traffic, lots of clear training airspace...sadly, Cleveland, TAC, St George, DTFT and Ptt all have one common denominator...
What is this denominator? I've always been told that EGNV is great, it has all the facilities of an international airport but without the traffic, but it seems to have trouble keeping flight schools. I don't know how long Eden flight training has been there but I wasn't aware of it a few years ago when I was looking into doing some training. There's another school on there now, but again, a new one and with only one aircraft AFAIK. So why can't schools survive in EGNV? I'm not saying it's the airport's fault, but are you saying it's all down to bad luck of attracting shady operators/owners?

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It's pure mismanagement and if you speak to anyone at DTVA who were associated with the company you would find a narrative starts to build, and that there is a common opinion towards the owner who previously ran Cleveland Flying School and Northern Aviation into the ground.

Multiflight, DTFT and Northumbria Flying Schools were three excellent facilities all delivering the goods. There seems to be hints on here that DTVA cannot sustain a flying school but this is not true at all as DTFT were absolutely smashing it out of the park until PTT came along.
Well, DTFT merged with St. George's which also merged with the one in EGNT (Northumbria Flying School?) so the EGNT and EGNV schools were know as DTFT before PTT bought them if I'm not mistaken.
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/busine...flying-5789575

Can you tell us more about this narrative? If DTFT was as good as you say, then why would it have sold out to PTT?
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