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Old 28th Sep 2018, 16:33
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Am I...the point being, consistently failing at something isn't laudable, even in the UK where we love an underdog...
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 19:36
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From another post above by Nurse2Pilot
On another note, more than a month after PTT went bust, Wings Alliance still lists PTT on their website. Is it just me or does this not look very good for Wings? Why can't they get their website updated ASAP?

They didn't know about it but they do now apparently.
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Old 29th Sep 2018, 07:33
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Am I...the point being, consistently failing at something isn't laudable, even in the UK where we love an underdog...
So those people who are now multi millionaires employing thousands, but had failures, even bankruptcy, along the way, are not laudable to you? They should have just quit at the point of failure?
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 17:40
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So those people who are now multi millionaires employing thousands, but had failures, even bankruptcy, along the way, are not laudable to you? They should have just quit at the point of failure?
I would suggest there are lots more business casualties where folk have failed and NOT gone on to be multi millionaires...however, you have slightly gone off track don't you think...the thread was about Ptt and the previous failures surrounding a certain individual but I'll stand by with my spoon and humble pie for the day when he employs thousands...
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 21:57
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So those people who are now multi millionaires employing thousands, but had failures, even bankruptcy, along the way, are not laudable to you? They should have just quit at the point of failure?
All multimillionaires have gone bankrupt at some point but not all who have gone bankrupt become multimillionaires. Just because other go through the process and succeed does not mean the process is laudable nor is it a guaranteed path to the same goal. Are you now saying that this fella has the makings of a multimillionaire and that he just needs a few bankrupt businesses to find his feet?
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 22:02
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Rest assured this guy and people like him won't feel any pain - they are completely incapable. The fact that this one has transferred his assets to Naljets tells you this. Maybe if Naljets fails then who knows.
So does this mean that PTT had little-to-no assets with which to pay back creditors once voluntary liquidation came into effect? Sneaky, and totally against how the process was meant to work, I'm sure! This also invalidates the point Crankcracker was making.... the point that he was able to hang on to some assets while still paying all creditors?

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They didn't know about it but they do now apparently.
How do you know? PTT link still hereand is still a "member" 5 weeks on:
https://www.wingsalliance.eu/why-us/our-friends/
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 22:32
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Some of their aircraft were registered to Ptt so I would assume they were company assets, I guess the timing of transferring them to NAL would show whether it was a calculated decision prior to going into liquidation and I've no idea whether it's legal to do that knowing you are going into liquidation ?
When all said and done it's a sad affair which shouldn't taint all the excellent schools and establishments who provide good service and quality training, including the remaining schools at DTVA.
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 23:22
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Yeah, the timing would be a factor. Do we know what's he managed to hold on to in terms of aircraft?

As far as schools go, let me repeat a question from earlier:
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I think you're speaking from the point of view of an insider. How would one such as myself, a newbie in the scene, know of such individuals or the schools/businesses they're involved in?
Would anyone really say that the quality of instruction at PTT was sub-par? I mean this liquidation affair shows us that the owner cannot handle the business, but did the school(s) itself (based in EGNV and EGNT) not show good service and quality training?
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 09:27
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Originally Posted by Crankcracker View Post
I would suggest there are lots more business casualties where folk have failed and NOT gone on to be multi millionaires...however, you have slightly gone off track don't you think...the thread was about Ptt and the previous failures surrounding a certain individual but I'll stand by with my spoon and humble pie for the day when he employs thousands...
But again you're simply describing the economic model we choose to follow. The individual in question supplied wages and economic contribution for a number of years, to the staff, income to the airfield and experience to the flight instructors,many of whom have gone on to do different things. Ultimately the business hasnt worked out on this occasion, but I'm glad he tried and I received some fantastic instruction from the people there. A shame it hasnt worked but the continued influx of students has allowed another business on the airfield to grow, and as long as the business or individual did nothing illegal then I really don't see the problem.
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 17:09
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jamesgrainge...By your own admission you trained there last year, therefore, with all due respect, your experience and knowledge of the past when it comes a certain individual and aviation (flying schools) in general is limited, unless you actually were trained by the individual the quality of the training you received is more to do with specific instructors and their professionalism, what would be within the control of the certain individual would the facilities and aircraft (the crap ones you mentioned).
I'm pleased you had a good experience training at DTVA but I suspect those fantastic people may have had challenges outside their control ensuring you had a good experience.
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 17:24
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Originally Posted by Nurse2Pilot View Post
Yeah, the timing would be a factor. Do we know what's he managed to hold on to in terms of aircraft?

As far as schools go, let me repeat a question from earlier:


Would anyone really say that the quality of instruction at PTT was sub-par? I mean this liquidation affair shows us that the owner cannot handle the business, but did the school(s) itself (based in EGNV and EGNT) not show good service and quality training?
Nurse2Pilot...I've no doubt the quality of instruction by Ptt was excellent, in my view, given good aircraft and sufficient time for a lessons most instructors are enthusiastic, competent and keen to make their student a good pilot, where delivering good instruction is impacted is when aircraft have defects that don't get addressed promptly, i.e. doing an IR(R) without a comprehensive (working) avionics fit, gauges not working and the like. In all walks of life there will be staff doing their best under difficult circumstances.
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 00:57
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Log book records

Hi, i was flying from PTT (EGNM) and had my PPL skills test booked but they went bust.

Does anybody know how I may obtain my log book records and theory exam results etc. Also if I was to go to another flying school would I have to resit my tests or would the ones I did at PTT still be valid?

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Old 5th Oct 2018, 23:12
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That's rotten luck, however, if they are half decent they should handover your records and I don't see why you would have to resit anything, a new place should review your records, possibly do a review flight to confirm you are where your records say you are with regard to your training and then progress from there.....the big question is who to contact ? the liquidators ?
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 12:35
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Originally Posted by Hmflyer View Post
Hi, i was flying from PTT (EGNM) and had my PPL skills test booked but they went bust.

Does anybody know how I may obtain my log book records and theory exam results etc. Also if I was to go to another flying school would I have to resit my tests or would the ones I did at PTT still be valid?

I was also training with PTT (EGNT). I have since moved to Carlisle Flight Training and managed to finish my QXC and Skills Test. We are in process of recovering my records. They cannot be passed to me personally for whatever reason but can be passed to your new training establishment. My contact at the liquidators is [email protected] She will need you to provide a contact at your new school and to give your permission to pass on your records.

They have already managed to send on my flight records but I am still waiting for my written results and FRTOL so I can process my licence application.

Hope this helps.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 10:40
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Originally Posted by LD1Racing View Post
I was also training with PTT (EGNT). I have since moved to Carlisle Flight Training and managed to finish my QXC and Skills Test. We are in process of recovering my records. They cannot be passed to me personally for whatever reason but can be passed to your new training establishment. My contact at the liquidators is [email protected] She will need you to provide a contact at your new school and to give your permission to pass on your records.

They have already managed to send on my flight records but I am still waiting for my written results and FRTOL so I can process my licence application.

Hope this helps.
Just a further update - The liquidators have now passed all my training records and exam results to my new school so all is well!
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 08:25
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Just a further update - The liquidators have now passed all my training records and exam results to my new school so all is well!
That's good news and thanks for the update. I hope all other students have the same success and can continue with their aviation adventure.
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 17:47
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Any more news on PTT, students recovered their records, anyone else been paid?

i heard that old CM tried (and failed) to apply as an FO for Jet2.... business at NAL must be bad, eh Craig?
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 13:19
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Hi, Just an update.

I have contacted Wendy and need to get whichever flying school I finish my training off at to contact her to request my documents.

Now I need to find a flight school to finish my PPL off at and then move onto CPL.
How you finding Carlisle Flight Training?

Also does anyone have any recommendations for a flight school in Spain or Portugal ect.
As I'm thinking to go away and dedicate my time to getting to frozen ATPL level.
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 17:12
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I heard that old CM tried (and failed) to apply as an FO for Jet2.... business at NAL must be bad, eh Craig?
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Let's hope this is true. Don't fancy sharing a flight deck with him!
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Old 12th Dec 2018, 08:58
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Originally Posted by Hmflyer View Post
Hi, Just an update.

I have contacted Wendy and need to get whichever flying school I finish my training off at to contact her to request my documents.

Now I need to find a flight school to finish my PPL off at and then move onto CPL.
How you finding Carlisle Flight Training?

Also does anyone have any recommendations for a flight school in Spain or Portugal ect.
As I'm thinking to go away and dedicate my time to getting to frozen ATPL level.
Carlisle were great for me, managed within a matter of days to organise and complete my QXC, and skills test shortly thereafter. They even assisted with the non-standard application to the CAA. I'm now just waiting for the paperwork to go through but should have a shiny new licence by the end of the year.
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