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Conversion FAA to EASA

Old 17th Jan 2018, 20:19
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Red face Conversion FAA to EASA

Hello everyone. I am looking to convert my FAA CPL IR to EASA. Everyone is telling me that it is complicated and hard, but nobody can tell me the exact process.
Any help or tip is welcomed.
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 03:41
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You will need to do ATPL theory first it's 14 exams total and around 15000 questions are need to be known

It's a long, difficult and very exhaustive process

You have 6 sittings and 18 months from the first exam taken to finish

A sitting normally lasts around 5 days so you need to take the exams at least 3 per sitting at the beginning anyway

You can either do full time ground school or distance learning at home

You will be forced to learn a lot of information, the volume is quite high and a lot of irrelevant stuff has to be known

I'm not sure of how the practical conversion is done

Basically the ATPL theory is the big road block to becoming a pilot in Europe
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 05:59
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You don't need ATPL theory, but it is more efficient than that for the CPL/IR in the long run.

It is not impossible, but has to be approached in the right frame of mind, and 40 hours in the classroom.

If you have an ICAO CPL (you do), you only need 400 hours of study anyway.

And just to point out - what may seem irrelevant at this stage will not be irrelevant later in your career, as many people found out when their airline's computers went down and the paperwork had to be done manually - back to basics!

Having said that, some questions are a little strange to say the least, so you will need guidance through that minefield.

To answer your question, you need a ground school provider and a flight trainer. Expect the process to take about 6 months.

Good luck!
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 09:53
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@sinisamandaric

Everything Negan says is true!

The flying training you need depends on how many hours you have. The CAA use a credit system depending on TT to determine your training requirements.

Seeing you only have a FAA CPL, rather than ATPL, I would assume you will have to do ALL the flight tests with the exception of the Private pilot.

So you first need to get a class one medical then make sure you are FAA IR current as well..if not you need your IPC done.

Then you do the following flight training leading to the relevant tests;

CPL - SE (training as required, then checkride)
ME (training as required, then checkride)
ME IR (minimum 15 hours, then check ride)

Then fork out another £1500-£2500 for a MCC, then optionally pay £16-£20K for a type rating (if you think that will work for you)

Then, get in a very long queue for a job!

It is not easy and it can be strongly argued that most of the ATPL theory stuff is irrelevant (whether for now or even later in your career!), many exam questions are not written properly in the official exams, in a few crazy cases some "correct" answers arent even correct, the learning objectives are long (some quite vague)....

But, with the right attitude, right school, right notes, question banks (and lots of extra money) you can do it

good luck man!

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Old 18th Jan 2018, 13:29
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I love your positivity on the ATPL Paco

Being honest I think you could cut out 50% of the ATPL and it would make no difference on piloting an aircraft

As a student going through it first hand I think the volume is just unnecessarily high on subjects

If you are not going to remember the stuff you were forced to memorise (ATPL we don't learn we memorise) after one year or by the time you're in the right hand seat it shouldn't be in the syllabus

As much as I wanted to "learn" and do the ATPL the right way I have ultimately gone down the track of bashing the bank because there is no better way to get through it and constantly seeing the questions and explanations everyday is the only way I can manage to remember the stuff they want me to know for exams

Reading the books did very little for me when it came to the practice questions that I would see on the exams

The material should be used to supplement the questions and most of the study should be done doing the question bank in my opinion
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 13:37
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Currently a 320 Capt at a US carrier. 20+ hrs, 3 types. Possibility that I might be able to get a DEC with my step daughters carrier in EU. Would like to finish up with some flying with her if possible. What do I need reference the previous posters info? Many thanks...PM if needed
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 15:32
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Thumbs up conversion

Thank you everyone for information provided.
So I guess my 15 hours in Multi engine flown in USA does not count?? I was ready to do my ME there, but airplane went tech and I post pone it. Now I can't go to USA and I am looking for a way to convert to EASA since I am a European citizen.
I am looking in to a few schools, in Belgium, Portugal, Spain and Greece. Can't decide where.
I guess I have to do more research.

Thank you again guys, any additional info is more than welcomed.
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 16:51
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It's true to say you need guidance through some of the questions - BUT - you can answer 30% of them just on common sense and PPL knowledge alone. Knowing the material will cover the rest handsomely, leaving the crap to sort itself out.

It is not as bad as people make out.
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 17:40
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Everyone has different learning speeds, for me personally I have struggled with it and found the volume to be the biggest hurdle

The theory on it's own is not the most difficult but the way the questions are asked and some of the stuff we are forced to memorise is quite excessive and makes it harder than it should be in my opinion and something I have struggled with

Just understanding the question can be the hardest part of a question sometimes which should never be the case it should be clear and concise
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 17:54
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You can save a bit of cash of you don't get an MEP rating. CPL/IR conversion is two tests, ATP conversion would be one test (and much easier if you're current on type)
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 07:47
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FAA to EASA - more questions

I'm U.S. FAA certificated commercial pilot (SEL/MEL/IR) with 920 hours TT looking to convert my U.S. certificate into EASA license. As I result of this conversion, I'm interested in obtaining CPL/IR/ME/MCC with "frozen" ATPL theory (as fast and cost efficient as possible, of course).

However, the more I explore this area (including this forum) the more questions I have. Hopefully somebody will help me to figure out.

So the questions are the following.

1. I understand that as a first step I must pass 14 ATPL theory exams, and many training organizations offer their help in this process (even those who don’t provide further flight training). It seems that they all use pretty much standard kits for distant preparation (like AviationExam, Bristol GS, Oxford CAE, etc), and also provide some «review» or «brush-up» sessions before real exams with the CAA. What I don’t understand is the difference between these organization and their actual role in preparation process (except that I must obtain some amount of training at ground school anyway, as per regulation). In other words, how to choose between these ground schools?


2. From your experience, how travel-intensive the whole endeavour is? In other words, how many times should I attend ground school, what’s average duration of these sessions, and is it possible to combine them with exams? Just trying to estimate amount of travel I need and thus the cost.

3. Is there any difference between EASA members in terms of ATPL theory exams, or I can choose whatever country I like in terms of travel and visa convenience? 
Is it possible to sit ground school at one country and pass exams at another? For instance, Greek school offer quite attractive prices, but I've heard a lot of bad stuff about their CAA.

4. Should both theory and practical exams take place in the same country, or theory test results may be transferred between EASA members?


5. Is there any expiration period between ATPL theory exams and CPL check ride?


6. Do the requirements for practical training/check rides (for the purpose of conversion) differ between various EASA members, or they are all the same?


7. Any advise on good schools (both practical and theory) or positive experience with the CAA world be very helpful too.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 12:34
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If you go full time, the training provider will teach you everything. If you go part time it's up to you.
You could go with CATS because they are half the price of Bgs - then use BGSonline anyway. You do the brush up exams, do the 2 or 3 weeks classroom stuff, and they endorse you to take the exams.

The whole process part time will take 6-12 months, so if you're working, get an ATP: you can self endorse. No requirement to buy a course or attention ground school.

If you're in the US, you can take the ground school and exams in Florida I think.

I think you have to take all the exams in the same country, but you can do the practical in a different one.

Once you take your last exam, you have 36 months to get your CPL and IR issued. You then have a rolling 7 years to get your ATPL issued.

It's a whole lot easier if you have a multi crew type rating and 500 hours multi crew - then you can just take the ATPL ride in a SIM. Otherwise you'll have to do the conversion courses for about £10k
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 19:10
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Get in touch with the school in Jerez, Fly In Spain, every time I was there there was someone doing an FAA conversion.
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Old 30th Apr 2018, 18:37
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Hello,
I just found this forum as I was searching about FAA to EASA conversions. I have few questions, hopefully one of you will be able to answer it

I am an Icelandic citizen, however, I am getting my training in the US and currently I am working on the IFR or IR which I am almost done with. I will have to stay in the US until January 2019, because I am completing my Bachelor's degree in Management, so I want to use my time wisely and collect 250 hours total to get my CPL.

1. I am wondering if getting my MEL, would be a good idea right after the CPL, or should I save my money and come and do it in Europe?
2. Where can I convert my license as soon as possible and be done hopefully by the end of 2019? I know I have heard the process itself takes some time but I am really interested in getting done by the end of 2019.
3. My preference is to do this in Iceland, however, one flight school confirmed that they DO NOT offer conversion courses. I have yet to ask the other school. I was hoping one of you might be able to recommend a good reputable institution, with good prices and awesome instructors? I would prefer to stay within the Scandinavian countries but I am open to ideas about other EU countries!

I would really appreciate your help!

Thank you.
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Old 30th Apr 2018, 23:03
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Sammy, finish your IR, then make sure you log 50 hours as PIC under IFR - that will let you convert to EASA with no minimum training time. There is no point getting the FAA CPL as it requires 50 hours MORE than EASA does, and you’ll still need to convert. (with an IR, the course is only 15 hours anyway).
Get the IR, get the 50 hours IFR PIC and come home with 185 hours.
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Old 2nd May 2018, 17:43
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@atr-drivr - you'll need to a medical, the 14 exams (but not all the ground school bits, - I would recommend a refresher ground school course, one example is Bristol Ground School), then a flight test with the UK CAA observing. I'd do it in an Airbus. All of that will need to be organised by you.... So, medical at Gatwick, 14 ATPL exams (and a refresher course), some sim training to get up to speed with any EASA pecuiliarities and a check ride observed by a CAA examiner. Ta da. The check ride will be a bit like a licence skills check.
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Old 22nd Mar 2019, 23:58
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Good day everyone!! I did all my helicopter training in a flight school that are specialist in FAA and EASA training based in the USA. I enjoyed my training and recommend the place, instructors were experienced. I was trouble free taking the EASA CPL. They do mainly helicopters and airplanes. Just call them! They might be able to help. I hope I have indirectly answered all your questions. I leave here the web where you can find the contact. www.jtheli.com
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Old 6th May 2019, 18:35
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kilerio I just checked the school you mentioned. Is there someone else here that convert FAA to EASA for Helicopters??
I'm just checking schools and prices. I have clear as water that I have to do the 14 subjects but what about flight time for taking the exam?
I hear about a table taking your TT so you may go from 30h to 10h or 5h .. of training to take the exam.
I'm currently living in Spain but I'm open to go anywhere (in Europe) to get my EASA. Even the States but just thinking in the flight ticket I think will be cheaper some place here in Europe.

Hope this threat is not dead!
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It's a whole lot easier if you have a multi crew type rating and 500 hours multi crew - then you can just take the ATPL ride in a SIM. Otherwise you'll have to do the conversion courses for about £10k[/QUOTE]


Im holding MEIR - FAA and I want to convert to EASA as well. I’m currently in cadet program of an airline in Vietnam, already have Both FAA MCC - Việt Nam CAA MCC
and A320 Type rated issue in Lithuania- EASA.

I want to move to France to be with my husband but to be able to find the job there I must convert my license to EASA.

If I get 500 hours on A320 then what I need to be able to convert?
any suggestions for school and proximity price please?
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 18:21
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Hi,
I’m in the same situation, I have a CPL in the US and I would like to convert to EASA. Can you let me know if finally will you able to do the conversion? How was the process ? Any advice ??

Thanks.

Originally Posted by sinisamandaric View Post
Thank you everyone for information provided.
So I guess my 15 hours in Multi engine flown in USA does not count?? I was ready to do my ME there, but airplane went tech and I post pone it. Now I can't go to USA and I am looking for a way to convert to EASA since I am a European citizen.
I am looking in to a few schools, in Belgium, Portugal, Spain and Greece. Can't decide where.
I guess I have to do more research.

Thank you again guys, any additional info is more than welcomed.
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