Complete novice, Advice needed.
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The other consideration is that only the better ones make it to Easyjet and Ryanair etc. You will need to excel in all departments. You need to aim for 90%+ in each written exam, with first time passes in the flying. The critical phase is the MCC/JOC course. If you stumble here, all bets are off about jet flying.
This is best attempted on an integrated course.
Working your way up as you put can be essentially a leap in the dark.
Modular is ideal if you are working and wish to earn at the same time.
Best of luck with the medical
This is best attempted on an integrated course.
Working your way up as you put can be essentially a leap in the dark.
Modular is ideal if you are working and wish to earn at the same time.
Best of luck with the medical
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yeah thats the thing. But im sure if there was a clear cut route to this flying gig then everybody would be in on it. So ill have to have a think. i like the look of the FTE as they provide a nice all round figure. do they potentially place you?
thanks for the support. im going to be making a decision soon. lets just hope i make the right one.
thanks for the support. im going to be making a decision soon. lets just hope i make the right one.
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As I say, the market now is such that the better ones are finding jobs.
Do your own research on say, Ryanair recruitment........to name but one.
Do your own research on say, Ryanair recruitment........to name but one.
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That is the great debate and you must make your own decision. Want a jet job quickly? most likely CTC/OAA integrated, want to work your way up slowly? modular. unfortunately there's no magic formula, some mod guys get hired quickly, some integrated chaps never get a job. all depends on hard work, timing, contacts, bit of luck and sometimes money (ryanair).
I thought about going modular, saved up 50k, but ended up going integrated with CTC for a few reasons, quicker job opportunities, training in NZ, a family friend who went through CTC integrated and was placed quickly etc, but I also know 2 guys that did the mod route at CTC, one got a job within 3 months, one never made it into a jet. Maybe in a few years I'll look back and know if I made the right choice or not, 50k debt or no debt, that was my choice. I've gone with the former, lets see if it works out.
Regarding waiting for the email, it will come as long as you don't massively screw it up, but who knows if it's a week or 9 months...all depends on airlines recruiting at the time you finish.
question is do i spend the 100k and potentially wait post graduation for an email that may never come? or do i go it alone and work my way up with hours but have a 50k pillow?
I thought about going modular, saved up 50k, but ended up going integrated with CTC for a few reasons, quicker job opportunities, training in NZ, a family friend who went through CTC integrated and was placed quickly etc, but I also know 2 guys that did the mod route at CTC, one got a job within 3 months, one never made it into a jet. Maybe in a few years I'll look back and know if I made the right choice or not, 50k debt or no debt, that was my choice. I've gone with the former, lets see if it works out.
Regarding waiting for the email, it will come as long as you don't massively screw it up, but who knows if it's a week or 9 months...all depends on airlines recruiting at the time you finish.
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yeah cheers mate, understand totally.
well i passed my medical yesterday, which for me was my biggest worry due to what happened in Afghanistan 3 years ago. So ive decided this is defiantly what i want to do.
now the question remains.
do i apply for OAA/CTC or FTE and part with 100k cash and at least have a bit of top cover (military term for overwatch or support) post graduation. providing i even get a place.
Or do i go to Florida and complete a 5 week EASA PPL+night rating (spoke to uk PPL providers in my area and they said even if i just go for it and get lucky with weather it could still take 3-6 months to complete). then come home and study for ATPL exams until march 2016 and do some hours on the side before doing a dirty dash back to the states to get to the required hours before i turn up to BCFT or multiflight or FTE jerez for the CPL, ME, IR then onto MCC/JOC etc and save myself 50k in cash to play with to go it alone?
the great debate forever continuing......
well i passed my medical yesterday, which for me was my biggest worry due to what happened in Afghanistan 3 years ago. So ive decided this is defiantly what i want to do.
now the question remains.
do i apply for OAA/CTC or FTE and part with 100k cash and at least have a bit of top cover (military term for overwatch or support) post graduation. providing i even get a place.
Or do i go to Florida and complete a 5 week EASA PPL+night rating (spoke to uk PPL providers in my area and they said even if i just go for it and get lucky with weather it could still take 3-6 months to complete). then come home and study for ATPL exams until march 2016 and do some hours on the side before doing a dirty dash back to the states to get to the required hours before i turn up to BCFT or multiflight or FTE jerez for the CPL, ME, IR then onto MCC/JOC etc and save myself 50k in cash to play with to go it alone?
the great debate forever continuing......
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Well done on passing your medical.
What you want is QUALITY training. Whilst I am sure that there are some suitable training outfits in the USA, there is no certainty that this will be achieved.
CTC, FTE, and Oxford as ATOs are your best bet to ensure that QUALITY is achieved.
Before you are accepted, aptitude testing should be carried out by the ATO.
Independent UK testing is also available.
The modular route is cheaper, but if QUALITY training has been lacking prior to the later stages of training, then you will struggle. Additional training? Retake of flying tests? Additional expense ! Think QUALITY.
A recommendation by the ATO goes a long way to gaining employment.
Book the aptitude testing. A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.
What you want is QUALITY training. Whilst I am sure that there are some suitable training outfits in the USA, there is no certainty that this will be achieved.
CTC, FTE, and Oxford as ATOs are your best bet to ensure that QUALITY is achieved.
Before you are accepted, aptitude testing should be carried out by the ATO.
Independent UK testing is also available.
The modular route is cheaper, but if QUALITY training has been lacking prior to the later stages of training, then you will struggle. Additional training? Retake of flying tests? Additional expense ! Think QUALITY.
A recommendation by the ATO goes a long way to gaining employment.
Book the aptitude testing. A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.
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thanks parkfell, great advice as always.
i understand quality is the most important factor in all this. i also see CTC, OAA, FTE do modular courses designed for later part of training? probably dont get the benifits of a holding pool though if you do this.
the reason im also reluctant to go integrated all the way is i can't start a course to the new year/early 2016. due to personal reasons. so i want to do something productive until then. So this is my reasoning behind getting a PPL and hours and knocking out the ATPL distance until early 2016 before i move to the advanced stages of training. I understand i could just carry on working until then and just start but again due to personal reasons this isn't feasible too.
in short i REALLY just want to get on with it and move in the right direction without a lull.
i understand quality is the most important factor in all this. i also see CTC, OAA, FTE do modular courses designed for later part of training? probably dont get the benifits of a holding pool though if you do this.
the reason im also reluctant to go integrated all the way is i can't start a course to the new year/early 2016. due to personal reasons. so i want to do something productive until then. So this is my reasoning behind getting a PPL and hours and knocking out the ATPL distance until early 2016 before i move to the advanced stages of training. I understand i could just carry on working until then and just start but again due to personal reasons this isn't feasible too.
in short i REALLY just want to get on with it and move in the right direction without a lull.
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You have the money to do integrated, do integrated, its a no brainer.
Don't think of modular giving you a spare 50K, because nowadays being a basic CPL does not get you an airline job in Europe, or in most parts of the world. You have to self fund type ratings, pay to join an airline, or worst case fund you own line training. So it will cost round about 100K when your all said and done anyway.
Integrated gives you direct access to the holding pools assuming you come up to the required standard in your training, modular does not.
It all boils down to what you want to do at the end of the day, but you only get this chance once, you don't want to be sitting 18 months down the line wishing you had gone integrated when you read on here integrated are going straight to easyJet etc and your waiting around for a job.
Don't think of modular giving you a spare 50K, because nowadays being a basic CPL does not get you an airline job in Europe, or in most parts of the world. You have to self fund type ratings, pay to join an airline, or worst case fund you own line training. So it will cost round about 100K when your all said and done anyway.
Integrated gives you direct access to the holding pools assuming you come up to the required standard in your training, modular does not.
It all boils down to what you want to do at the end of the day, but you only get this chance once, you don't want to be sitting 18 months down the line wishing you had gone integrated when you read on here integrated are going straight to easyJet etc and your waiting around for a job.
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i understand this, im researching all the potential options right now.
can i ask a few questions just to arm myself with the most important asset of all, information.
firstly:
What are the job prospects for lets say getting modular and flying turbine aircraft abroad for a while. AKA suzi air in indonisia or bush flying in africa or south america after CPL and IR etc.
can i ask a few questions just to arm myself with the most important asset of all, information.
firstly:
What are the job prospects for lets say getting modular and flying turbine aircraft abroad for a while. AKA suzi air in indonisia or bush flying in africa or south america after CPL and IR etc.
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Interesting thread.....the tide of advice seems to be swaying you towards the integrated path. Congrats on your Class 1 mate.
I'm just here juxtapose a more vintage modular picture for you based on my experience so far....so far I'm ~£49K in went from PPL---->MCC (on a humble FNPTII TP) & due to start my 738 TR soon....so that's another what ~£21K roughly brining it to a grand total of about £70K all in for flight training with a RHS to boot.
P.s: I didn't go to any of the more renowned schools echoed in here so far & did it all over a span of 3 years alongside full time work.....so yea in this day, age & era despite the naysayer like stigma on here the old school modular path is still feasible i.e. miracles do happen mate
Good luck with your flight training endeavours on the chosen choice of path chap
I'm just here juxtapose a more vintage modular picture for you based on my experience so far....so far I'm ~£49K in went from PPL---->MCC (on a humble FNPTII TP) & due to start my 738 TR soon....so that's another what ~£21K roughly brining it to a grand total of about £70K all in for flight training with a RHS to boot.
P.s: I didn't go to any of the more renowned schools echoed in here so far & did it all over a span of 3 years alongside full time work.....so yea in this day, age & era despite the naysayer like stigma on here the old school modular path is still feasible i.e. miracles do happen mate
Good luck with your flight training endeavours on the chosen choice of path chap
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i actually complete fully 2017 parkfell but im withdrawing now in june, as i feel i shouldn't be treading water and that i must just go for it. im 25 now and i know this is still really young but when i came to university whilst in the army rehabilitation system in 2013 i was in a different social and financial position. The dream of becoming a pilot was unattainable but this seems to have changed.
i have always wanted to learn to fly, however lacked the funds so i chose to go to university courtesy of the MOD's chequebook but now the armed forces compensation scheme and my medical insurance have settled i have actually, much to my amazement, had a U turn in life. the goal posts have changed in effect. So rightly or wrongly i have decided to take the qualifications i have amassed at university so far and withdraw to pursue a career as a pilot.
i know in my previous posts i have stated i would stay and complete but i have changed my tune, i do understand the cons of this decision but i feel that i must get on with the task at hand, and most importantly enjoy it.
i have always wanted to learn to fly, however lacked the funds so i chose to go to university courtesy of the MOD's chequebook but now the armed forces compensation scheme and my medical insurance have settled i have actually, much to my amazement, had a U turn in life. the goal posts have changed in effect. So rightly or wrongly i have decided to take the qualifications i have amassed at university so far and withdraw to pursue a career as a pilot.
i know in my previous posts i have stated i would stay and complete but i have changed my tune, i do understand the cons of this decision but i feel that i must get on with the task at hand, and most importantly enjoy it.
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I totally understand your new situation, and why a sudden change of course.
Visit the ATOs websites for open days / marketing days / road shows etc and where practicable visit their establishments.
For FTE, Ryanair operate to Jerez during their summer schedule. Easyjet to Seville and train to Jerez airport.
Speak to the customers (students) and staff.
Get clued up on the aptitude testing.
Visit the ATOs websites for open days / marketing days / road shows etc and where practicable visit their establishments.
For FTE, Ryanair operate to Jerez during their summer schedule. Easyjet to Seville and train to Jerez airport.
Speak to the customers (students) and staff.
Get clued up on the aptitude testing.
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This doesn't make any sense!
Mainly, OAA or FTE guys aré going to FR which take modulars backgrounds. In FTE Jerez a lot of guys ended in Volotea which you have to pay 26500 for a 717 type rating. And CTC guys ended in Easyjet mostly in a Flexicrew contract. Integrated guys have to pay the type rating too!
For instance: FTE guy: 114000€ + 35000€ (FR)= 149000€!!!!! And they have just 151 hours!!!! Good business indeed! That's the real P2F, and I am not refering to FR but FTE!!!
Why Easyjet just take Integrated guys... Well because they can do that because people are allowing to do so paying the double for the sane licence with 100 hours less!
The problem with modular is that involves a proper research which can take you years! You need to avoid certain countries (go uk!) etc.
For instance: FTE guy: 114000€ + 35000€ (FR)= 149000€!!!!! And they have just 151 hours!!!! Good business indeed! That's the real P2F, and I am not refering to FR but FTE!!!
Why Easyjet just take Integrated guys... Well because they can do that because people are allowing to do so paying the double for the sane licence with 100 hours less!
The problem with modular is that involves a proper research which can take you years! You need to avoid certain countries (go uk!) etc.
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Integrated guys have to pay the TR too!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marketing has played a big role in the last few years! I will never understand why people is in a hurry to jump straight in a jet!
Ah and the FI route it's not dead! I know several instructors (spanish) who have ended in Vueling this month!
There is much more world apart from Easy and FR!!!!!!!!
Marketing has played a big role in the last few years! I will never understand why people is in a hurry to jump straight in a jet!
Ah and the FI route it's not dead! I know several instructors (spanish) who have ended in Vueling this month!
There is much more world apart from Easy and FR!!!!!!!!
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In my opinion going through oaa and fte is useless at the moment unless you are willing to waste your money. Fte cadets are mainly hired by volotea and ryanair. If you end up flying for volotea, you must pay a far more expensive type rating than its average price to fly a god-forgotten plane. Nobody use a 717 anymore maybe some third countries airlines. The second officer contract will make you survive during summer seasons and make you a hopeless homeless during winter. Expect to fly 20 hours and earn 400 euros per month during winter time. Or if you're lucky enough you will end up in Ryan where modular guys are also hired but having paid one third of what fte cadets have to. Same apply to OAA. Ctc, instead, offers a wider pool of airlines like easyjet, flydubai, monarch and so on where you can earn a more respectable salary and have a better working conditions. So if integrated is your choose ctc might worth your money.
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Yep. Ctc is actually selecting crew from the eu zone for flydubai. Flydubai also uses CTC as well as Emirates CAE premises for the initial type rating and conversion courses.