Do modular students get airline jobs?
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First my sim partner was a nice guy, and an excellent pilot. However this was particular during the JOC part of the course, and the instructor did not consider automatics was required for these parts of the sortie, and i totally agreed, however that AP would go on everytime, even though there was ample chance to do some proper handflying!
As also was mentioned, RyR and most other companies who assess you, want you to hand fly the machine, so spending nearly £4K, I would use every chance to hand fly the sim, instead of chicken out every time the stress level and workload was increased due to this. It was not excactly complicated to push on the AP when needed.
I mean doing an ILS approach pushing LOC, white for White Loc - Green Loc - Push APP - and sit and monitor the instruments, do that twice, and you know that like the back of your palm, let's get moving and have some fun, and do that ILS without Autos, and lets take away the ILS on the Nav display too!
I can sit and practise all night on the autos on MS PMDG 737 if I want for free!
By the way, when he did handfly, he wasn't bad at that either.
By the way, I know of guys doing their line training, being encouraged by their captains to hand-fly the approach, so it can't be that bad.
You should be able to multi-task, hand fly and CRM!
As also was mentioned, RyR and most other companies who assess you, want you to hand fly the machine, so spending nearly £4K, I would use every chance to hand fly the sim, instead of chicken out every time the stress level and workload was increased due to this. It was not excactly complicated to push on the AP when needed.
I mean doing an ILS approach pushing LOC, white for White Loc - Green Loc - Push APP - and sit and monitor the instruments, do that twice, and you know that like the back of your palm, let's get moving and have some fun, and do that ILS without Autos, and lets take away the ILS on the Nav display too!
I can sit and practise all night on the autos on MS PMDG 737 if I want for free!
By the way, when he did handfly, he wasn't bad at that either.
By the way, I know of guys doing their line training, being encouraged by their captains to hand-fly the approach, so it can't be that bad.
You should be able to multi-task, hand fly and CRM!
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....Ok, back to topic, it is heartbreaking to get to the end of a course where you had to strategically plan, chase everything, study hard and "spend" hard, sacrificing many things for a broken dream,just to realise it in the end that the modular route is dead in the water, at least in the British market.
I'm sorry,just an opinion, but if I have to advise someone as to what route to take it is definitely the integrated tied to an airline programme.
I have a feeling that by 2013 there will be no entry available to any modular cadets in the British carriers,the only one left behind being Ryanair.
Do modular students get airline jobs? am I mistaken if I say rarely(excluding Ryan)? instructing?with FTO's going bust(Cabair and recently BCFT) I doubt there are many jobs around as FI...cargo jobs are mostly for experienced(didn't know of any hiring low houred)aerial survey,none, bush flying..I have made few contacts and was told they prefer locals now, South America want south americans,Asia...P2F A.K.A modern slavery(debt-bondage)..so keep up the fight,but Imo, it is worth to wait a little longer,work so you can have the extra cash as to afford the OAA/CTC integrated airlines schemes ,save yourself from the heartache
I'm sorry,just an opinion, but if I have to advise someone as to what route to take it is definitely the integrated tied to an airline programme.
I have a feeling that by 2013 there will be no entry available to any modular cadets in the British carriers,the only one left behind being Ryanair.
Do modular students get airline jobs? am I mistaken if I say rarely(excluding Ryan)? instructing?with FTO's going bust(Cabair and recently BCFT) I doubt there are many jobs around as FI...cargo jobs are mostly for experienced(didn't know of any hiring low houred)aerial survey,none, bush flying..I have made few contacts and was told they prefer locals now, South America want south americans,Asia...P2F A.K.A modern slavery(debt-bondage)..so keep up the fight,but Imo, it is worth to wait a little longer,work so you can have the extra cash as to afford the OAA/CTC integrated airlines schemes ,save yourself from the heartache
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just to realise it in the end that the modular route is dead in the water
There are more than a few FI jobs about and I know of 6 FI's in the last 3 months that have got airline jobs and with British carriers. One flying school in Scotland has advertised for FI's 3 times in the last 6 months because the instructors keep heading off to the airlines.
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Age limitations...
Good Afternoon,
I just wanted a bit of advice from others that may have experience of this...
I'm 27 (28 in Dec) and I have flown around 30 hours of my PPL, however, due to personal debt and university, I have not flown for a few years. I am looking to pay off my debts in the next 12 months and start a fresh, with a large proportion of my wages going towards flying.
I wanted to whether or not I would still be able to get an airline job at the age of 38, if it were to take me at most 10 years to achieve all my licences? Or would airlines overlook this in favour for younger pilots? This would be my first airline job. I hope that it will be a five year plan, but assuming the worst...
Also, are there many well paid private commercial jobs out there?
Money isn't the biggest issue for me, just the love for flying. I'm currently in a trainee financial adviser role and I'm sure the financial services would provide a good career if I wanted to stay in it, but I can't help but think about flying for a career.
Let me know what you think...
I just wanted a bit of advice from others that may have experience of this...
I'm 27 (28 in Dec) and I have flown around 30 hours of my PPL, however, due to personal debt and university, I have not flown for a few years. I am looking to pay off my debts in the next 12 months and start a fresh, with a large proportion of my wages going towards flying.
I wanted to whether or not I would still be able to get an airline job at the age of 38, if it were to take me at most 10 years to achieve all my licences? Or would airlines overlook this in favour for younger pilots? This would be my first airline job. I hope that it will be a five year plan, but assuming the worst...
Also, are there many well paid private commercial jobs out there?
Money isn't the biggest issue for me, just the love for flying. I'm currently in a trainee financial adviser role and I'm sure the financial services would provide a good career if I wanted to stay in it, but I can't help but think about flying for a career.
Let me know what you think...
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My apologies boys,I mean't to say Bristol not Bournemouth!I was considering the FI route but I feel that my age will get in the way once I try the airlines.I know in the UK you have the anti-age discrimination laws but some EU carriers still have age limitations,the market I want to target.
Mad-Jock,that is great news,but may I take a guess,that this modular guys were either with CTC ATP or CAE?
cheers fellas!
Mad-Jock,that is great news,but may I take a guess,that this modular guys were either with CTC ATP or CAE?
cheers fellas!
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One aspect of integrated training that's rarely mentioned is the employability of such pilots in a GA environment.
Over the last few years I've seen more and more integrated students who have failed to secure airline positions attempt to kick start their career by moving into GA.
Sadly they frequently ill prepared for this. They have a bare minimum of hours. Have never done a single unsupervised/none training flight.
They never pulled an aircraft out of a hangar barely know how to top up oil or put fuel an aircraft and as for something like de-icing well they haven't a clue.
I've even seen applicants who have never even flown in the UK and after shelling out nigh on a 100 grand to end up in a position worse off than someone who has forked out 60 grand less to me something is missing.
Over the last few years I've seen more and more integrated students who have failed to secure airline positions attempt to kick start their career by moving into GA.
Sadly they frequently ill prepared for this. They have a bare minimum of hours. Have never done a single unsupervised/none training flight.
They never pulled an aircraft out of a hangar barely know how to top up oil or put fuel an aircraft and as for something like de-icing well they haven't a clue.
I've even seen applicants who have never even flown in the UK and after shelling out nigh on a 100 grand to end up in a position worse off than someone who has forked out 60 grand less to me something is missing.
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http://www.pprune.org/flying-instruc...ml#post6894061
Just to show that a Flying school owner has a good through put of instructors moving on to airlines.
Just to show that a Flying school owner has a good through put of instructors moving on to airlines.
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Mad Jock,
I can confirm we are still on the look out for good flying instructors. We have a steady throughput to the airlines.
The majority of these are Modular students. Several have come through our own training and continued to the instructor route either by choice (to gain more experience) or simply to keep active while they await their first break into the airlines.
Our latest instructor to go (Paul) keeps up to date on Pprune and is in the final stages of his Loganair type rating. Gordon who completed his CPL/MEIR with us is half way through his instructor course.
So the trend continues and I can confirm Modular students DEFINATELY have a good chance of jobs. There is a good argument that Modular students have better experience as they are off flying themselves early in their training.
Our courses are all Modular as we link to AST based at our airport in Perth for the ground school. We have had a few instructors who have developed from Integrated courses who have also moved on. The big thing we think makes a difference is the persons attitude - this speaks volumes more than how they completed their training.
I can confirm we are still on the look out for good flying instructors. We have a steady throughput to the airlines.
The majority of these are Modular students. Several have come through our own training and continued to the instructor route either by choice (to gain more experience) or simply to keep active while they await their first break into the airlines.
Our latest instructor to go (Paul) keeps up to date on Pprune and is in the final stages of his Loganair type rating. Gordon who completed his CPL/MEIR with us is half way through his instructor course.
So the trend continues and I can confirm Modular students DEFINATELY have a good chance of jobs. There is a good argument that Modular students have better experience as they are off flying themselves early in their training.
Our courses are all Modular as we link to AST based at our airport in Perth for the ground school. We have had a few instructors who have developed from Integrated courses who have also moved on. The big thing we think makes a difference is the persons attitude - this speaks volumes more than how they completed their training.
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It certainly is moving onto hairy arsed flying round the Highlands of Scotland.
I still haven't done anything as challanging as the flying I did in the Highlands.
And you have increased my number of modular FI's that are into airline work.
All the ones that I knew up north when I was instructing are now flying the line and most of them are LHS now. The ones that arn't are RHS in the middle east.
I still haven't done anything as challanging as the flying I did in the Highlands.
And you have increased my number of modular FI's that are into airline work.
All the ones that I knew up north when I was instructing are now flying the line and most of them are LHS now. The ones that arn't are RHS in the middle east.
Apologies for a bit of a bump on this relatively old thread, but I must say i've found it a very educational read 
I was recently trying for BA's FPP programme and thanks to a bungle on the mathematical reasoning test I fear I may have fallen down just before the last hurdle! (to be confirmed shortly...)
Anyway I was asking a friend who flies for BA about gaining entry on the modular route, but was advised that BA don't accept modular pilots as direct entry. They do however accept modular pilots with ~500 hours experience on aircraft over 10 tonnes.
Which leads me onto my question- if modular pilots and FIs are finding employment with airlines, which airlines currently hire them? Is it pretty much just Ryanair?
I was recently trying for BA's FPP programme and thanks to a bungle on the mathematical reasoning test I fear I may have fallen down just before the last hurdle! (to be confirmed shortly...)
Anyway I was asking a friend who flies for BA about gaining entry on the modular route, but was advised that BA don't accept modular pilots as direct entry. They do however accept modular pilots with ~500 hours experience on aircraft over 10 tonnes.
Which leads me onto my question- if modular pilots and FIs are finding employment with airlines, which airlines currently hire them? Is it pretty much just Ryanair?
