Holding Speeds, can somebody please confirm?
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Max Holding Speeds, can somebody please confirm?
In regards to Holding Speeds, what are the exact speeds within JAA?
I have this information from New Pans-Ops:
Up to 14.000 ft : 230 kts - Turbulence: 280 kts
14 to 20.000 ft: 240 kts - Turb.: 280 kts or 0.80 Mach
20 to 34.000 ft: 265 kts - Turb.: 280 kts or 0.80 Mach
Above 34.000 ft: 0.83 Mach 0.83 Mach
Is this the correct speeds? Please somebody can give me some external ref
I have this information from New Pans-Ops:
Up to 14.000 ft : 230 kts - Turbulence: 280 kts
14 to 20.000 ft: 240 kts - Turb.: 280 kts or 0.80 Mach
20 to 34.000 ft: 265 kts - Turb.: 280 kts or 0.80 Mach
Above 34.000 ft: 0.83 Mach 0.83 Mach
Is this the correct speeds? Please somebody can give me some external ref
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Holding speeds are defined in your flight manual for the aircraft.
Those speeds are for the design of the protected area around the hold.
There are a hellva lot of aircraft that's Vmo is less than 230knts below 10k.
Nobody cares what speed you hold at in a hold as long as you stay in the protected area.
And if anyone wanted me to hold at 230knts at sub 14k I would refuse because it would burn stupid amounts of fuel for no reason.
Those speeds are for the design of the protected area around the hold.
There are a hellva lot of aircraft that's Vmo is less than 230knts below 10k.
Nobody cares what speed you hold at in a hold as long as you stay in the protected area.
And if anyone wanted me to hold at 230knts at sub 14k I would refuse because it would burn stupid amounts of fuel for no reason.
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I am looking for the Text Book Answer for MAX hold speeds for Cat C aircraft.
I doubt the interviewer would appreciate such an answer, I need the hard cold facts numbers, not number that what somebody feels are right!
I know there are Max speed limits for various altitudes, however I have read different numbers from different sources, I want to confirm what is the correct one!
Max Hold speeds in JAA/EASA airspace, as I know these are not the same with the FAA!
I doubt the interviewer would appreciate such an answer, I need the hard cold facts numbers, not number that what somebody feels are right!
I know there are Max speed limits for various altitudes, however I have read different numbers from different sources, I want to confirm what is the correct one!
Max Hold speeds in JAA/EASA airspace, as I know these are not the same with the FAA!
That is the correct answer.
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It will be in there somewhere for the UK.
Apart from the differences
ICAO Document 8168, Volume II seems to be the bible.
It will be in there somewhere for the UK.
Apart from the differences
ICAO Document 8168, Volume II seems to be the bible.
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I am looking for JAA MAX hold speeds, from the table below there is a difference from FAA and ICAO, I have found my details in Pan Ops, I wonder if JAA have different MAX speeds.
Please you smart guys who only want to refer to the aircraft flight manual, that is fine, that is not the answer I am looking for. I am NOT looking for a type specific answer, I am looking for a general legal requirement.
Checked NATS, and the part about HOLDS, and not mentioned anything there.
FAA:
Up to 6,000 ft MSL: 200 KIAS
From 6,001 to 14,000 ft MSL: 230 KIAS
14,001 ft MSL and above: 265 KIAS
The ICAO Maximum holding speeds:
Up to 14000 ft: 230kts
14000 ft to 20000 ft: 240kts
20000 ft to 34000 ft: 265kts
Above 34000 ft: M0.83
Please you smart guys who only want to refer to the aircraft flight manual, that is fine, that is not the answer I am looking for. I am NOT looking for a type specific answer, I am looking for a general legal requirement.
Checked NATS, and the part about HOLDS, and not mentioned anything there.
FAA:
Up to 6,000 ft MSL: 200 KIAS
From 6,001 to 14,000 ft MSL: 230 KIAS
14,001 ft MSL and above: 265 KIAS
The ICAO Maximum holding speeds:
Up to 14000 ft: 230kts
14000 ft to 20000 ft: 240kts
20000 ft to 34000 ft: 265kts
Above 34000 ft: M0.83
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Well I know what ICAO is, I am trying to find out what is the correct requirements for EU/JAA/EASA.
I am looking in the book Pilotreference and gives me this information:
Up to 6000 ft : 210 kts
6000 - 14000 ft: 220 Kts
Above 14000 ft: 240 kts
(turbulence 280 kts or M0.8)
I am assuming this book is wrong, as also checked with a Jeppesen book, which gives same information as ICAO.
I am looking in the book Pilotreference and gives me this information:
Up to 6000 ft : 210 kts
6000 - 14000 ft: 220 Kts
Above 14000 ft: 240 kts
(turbulence 280 kts or M0.8)
I am assuming this book is wrong, as also checked with a Jeppesen book, which gives same information as ICAO.
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I took it to be a stressed out first interview type pilot.
I would be willing to bet they won't be asked the question though.
It will be something along the lines of.
Between a thin section wing and a thick section wing which one is more prone to icing.
I would be willing to bet they won't be asked the question though.
It will be something along the lines of.
Between a thin section wing and a thick section wing which one is more prone to icing.
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Sorry if somebody thought I was rude, not my intention.
I had a clear question, and probably expected somebody could give me a response that was on topic, it's a little like being given Tea when you order Coffee!
Question needs to include Max Hold speeds, as it is complete explanation of holds that is required, from A to Z!
I had a clear question, and probably expected somebody could give me a response that was on topic, it's a little like being given Tea when you order Coffee!
Question needs to include Max Hold speeds, as it is complete explanation of holds that is required, from A to Z!
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Perhaps you could ask the interviewer where to find the speeds. Tell them you have the ICAO speeds and know the holding speeds for the aircraft you're current on but not the ones they are asking for.
Nowt wrong with not knowing an answer so long as you admit to it and have shown your workings.
Nowt wrong with not knowing an answer so long as you admit to it and have shown your workings.
