Bartolini Air Flight School
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2 of my friends and me recently had problems with Bartolini. They are not honest and only concentrated on taking your money. Whenever you have problem, they don't care if they have already taken your money. Also, they give wrong information and it costs you much more money. Be careful and stay away from this school.
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MrPilott, you have five posts, four are against Bartolini and one against Goldwings, another ATO in Poland. All talk about the negative experiences that 'friends' have had except this one which says that you, too, have had problems. Could you expand, please, about your particular issue? The reason why I'm asking is that feedback about Bartolini from everyone else is positive.
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Its actually the second time MrPilott posts crap in this thread, neither a constructive post.
Or even with any actual information regarding what happened.
Taking into account all his posts are talking crap about this and another FTO I will just disregard him as a troll.
I don't know who you or your friends are, but the accusation of the School not being honest is just preposterous really. And I'm sure people around here would be glad to clarify what exactly are your complains, but first you need to complain about something specific...
Or even with any actual information regarding what happened.
Taking into account all his posts are talking crap about this and another FTO I will just disregard him as a troll.
I don't know who you or your friends are, but the accusation of the School not being honest is just preposterous really. And I'm sure people around here would be glad to clarify what exactly are your complains, but first you need to complain about something specific...
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Hello guys,
I've been reading this forum for a while and following the reviews about this school specially, so thanks for all the relevant info so far.
I did my PPL/NVFR and would like to continue for CPL, ME, IR and the ATPL.
Right now I have bit more than 50hrs and need to do my hour building, but I haven't enrolled in the ATPL yet. Taking many suggestions of friends and information taken from the internet I decided to take Bristol ground school, but I'm not sure if I should do it directly with Bristol or with Bartolini (where I was planning to do the CPL, ME, IR and possibly the hour building).
I would like some opinions from people who did the course in both places.
The main difference for me will be in price. Doing it in Bristol will be almost double the price due to the fee for the exams, the price of the course itself, the shipping of the books and the 3 revision weeks (flight, accommodation and expenses). In other hand you will have the printed material forever, more revision weeks, one after each of 3 modules and 2 accelerator days per module. The training with them should then give you more background I guess.
In Bartolini the price would be the big plus but the information is not so clear about how things would go. I understood that you need 5 months before you can start the revision week (that is only 10 days once) but I'm not sure if you can do any subject at your discretion and if only with the web training given would be enough.
About the hour building:
I asked them if it was possible to book an airplane and have freedom to fly when and where you desire, but I was told that you need to book even the hours you will be flying beforehand. So I have no idea if it's going to work for me, as I'm not familiar with the place, weather and other issues that could arise. I would have a month to do at least 50 hours, is it reasonable over there?
Another option was to do the hour building in USA and then continue with them for the CPL and etc.
Is there someone who did hour building with them who could give me some opinion?
I would really appreciate hearing from students and former students of Bartolini.
I've been reading this forum for a while and following the reviews about this school specially, so thanks for all the relevant info so far.
I did my PPL/NVFR and would like to continue for CPL, ME, IR and the ATPL.
Right now I have bit more than 50hrs and need to do my hour building, but I haven't enrolled in the ATPL yet. Taking many suggestions of friends and information taken from the internet I decided to take Bristol ground school, but I'm not sure if I should do it directly with Bristol or with Bartolini (where I was planning to do the CPL, ME, IR and possibly the hour building).
I would like some opinions from people who did the course in both places.
The main difference for me will be in price. Doing it in Bristol will be almost double the price due to the fee for the exams, the price of the course itself, the shipping of the books and the 3 revision weeks (flight, accommodation and expenses). In other hand you will have the printed material forever, more revision weeks, one after each of 3 modules and 2 accelerator days per module. The training with them should then give you more background I guess.
In Bartolini the price would be the big plus but the information is not so clear about how things would go. I understood that you need 5 months before you can start the revision week (that is only 10 days once) but I'm not sure if you can do any subject at your discretion and if only with the web training given would be enough.
About the hour building:
I asked them if it was possible to book an airplane and have freedom to fly when and where you desire, but I was told that you need to book even the hours you will be flying beforehand. So I have no idea if it's going to work for me, as I'm not familiar with the place, weather and other issues that could arise. I would have a month to do at least 50 hours, is it reasonable over there?
Another option was to do the hour building in USA and then continue with them for the CPL and etc.
Is there someone who did hour building with them who could give me some opinion?
I would really appreciate hearing from students and former students of Bartolini.
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Thanks for your answers Amauri and RedBullGaveMeWings!
It seems that I'm leaning to the Bartolini ATPL side even more now...
Do you guys have any recent experience with hour building over there?
My main concern is not to have aircraft available for maximum hours/day as possible due to flight schedule and no idea about how is the weather for a non IR rated pilot to try some valuable cross-country flights.
It seems that I'm leaning to the Bartolini ATPL side even more now...
Do you guys have any recent experience with hour building over there?
My main concern is not to have aircraft available for maximum hours/day as possible due to flight schedule and no idea about how is the weather for a non IR rated pilot to try some valuable cross-country flights.
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Alright, the guys have already done most of the explanation about the ATPL and I agree with most of it. I'm currently almost done with the ATPL exams and honestly so long as you have a working brain and some understanding of math and physics you will do fine providing you put effort into it.
Regarding HB in VFR... I have done quite a fair bit of it and still have some hours to go. Weather will not be much of an issue from Spring onward, there will, of course, be some convective activity for you to deal with and if you fly XC near the Alps and Tatras, Fohen and Halny are something you will hear a lot, but all that can be planned around. You will find plenty of people to share their experiences and help you with that around school. Wx cancellations during VFR season are rare, and can usually be avoided with a simple change of plans or departure delay.
50hrs in a month might be a little of a push if you go for the P200JF, there are however some tricks you can use to maximize the time you have the plane available for, Specially if you have NFVR and want to fly XC!
You can simply request the plane one day from mid afternoon onward (planes are usually less busy at night time) and request it again the next day in the morning. Then you simply fly somewhere you wish to go to, sleep and refuel there, and then return the next morning. You will be back for lunch and the plane wont be gone for long, also you can get around 8 hours plus you get to challenge yourself with new airspace/airports and visit some new city!
I did this with Prague early in my HB and it was awesome. Also if you do this in summer you don't even need to worry planning with AD's that have lights available, SS is late and most AD's are open SS+30' in summer months.
This will require some coordination and slot approval but that should not be an issue.
Another method is to coordinate with someone else who is also doing HB and get adjacent slots, so you can fly somewhere far away with the other guy flying back. You don't get as many hours, but you still get the challenge and don't have to worry about most of the slot management.
And finally you can also just fly another plane, this option is not very popular as it is a bit more pricey than the P200JF but I can tell you from my experience that if taken full advantage of, it can be a great experience gathering tool.
Bartolini has two other planes you can use for hour building, a C172* with analog instruments and a handheld Garmin, and a P2010 with full glass cockpit (G1000 + SAM as backup).
Both are generally available and can be requested for longer periods of time than the P2002JF's since these planes are not as often used for PPL/CPl training. Also you can go far away and bring some friends along as these are 4 seat planes.
Let me know if you have any more questions regarding HB, Ill be glad to answer
* - For the sake of clarity the C172 is not actually available at the time I'm making this post. Should be in the next couple days however and as such deserves to be mentioned.
Regarding HB in VFR... I have done quite a fair bit of it and still have some hours to go. Weather will not be much of an issue from Spring onward, there will, of course, be some convective activity for you to deal with and if you fly XC near the Alps and Tatras, Fohen and Halny are something you will hear a lot, but all that can be planned around. You will find plenty of people to share their experiences and help you with that around school. Wx cancellations during VFR season are rare, and can usually be avoided with a simple change of plans or departure delay.
50hrs in a month might be a little of a push if you go for the P200JF, there are however some tricks you can use to maximize the time you have the plane available for, Specially if you have NFVR and want to fly XC!
You can simply request the plane one day from mid afternoon onward (planes are usually less busy at night time) and request it again the next day in the morning. Then you simply fly somewhere you wish to go to, sleep and refuel there, and then return the next morning. You will be back for lunch and the plane wont be gone for long, also you can get around 8 hours plus you get to challenge yourself with new airspace/airports and visit some new city!
I did this with Prague early in my HB and it was awesome. Also if you do this in summer you don't even need to worry planning with AD's that have lights available, SS is late and most AD's are open SS+30' in summer months.
This will require some coordination and slot approval but that should not be an issue.
Another method is to coordinate with someone else who is also doing HB and get adjacent slots, so you can fly somewhere far away with the other guy flying back. You don't get as many hours, but you still get the challenge and don't have to worry about most of the slot management.
And finally you can also just fly another plane, this option is not very popular as it is a bit more pricey than the P200JF but I can tell you from my experience that if taken full advantage of, it can be a great experience gathering tool.
Bartolini has two other planes you can use for hour building, a C172* with analog instruments and a handheld Garmin, and a P2010 with full glass cockpit (G1000 + SAM as backup).
Both are generally available and can be requested for longer periods of time than the P2002JF's since these planes are not as often used for PPL/CPl training. Also you can go far away and bring some friends along as these are 4 seat planes.
Let me know if you have any more questions regarding HB, Ill be glad to answer
* - For the sake of clarity the C172 is not actually available at the time I'm making this post. Should be in the next couple days however and as such deserves to be mentioned.
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Anyone recently went through the CPL MEIR MEP course at bartolini and able to share their experiences?
Two complaints I heard a while ago were; the sim instructor isn't so personable and the IR course isn't as robust and comprehensive as it could be - is this still the case?
I've been talking to my flying club at home and they seem to have heard good things about bartolini, so would be interested to here more opinions???
Two complaints I heard a while ago were; the sim instructor isn't so personable and the IR course isn't as robust and comprehensive as it could be - is this still the case?
I've been talking to my flying club at home and they seem to have heard good things about bartolini, so would be interested to here more opinions???
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Hi
I'm new to the forum but the above thread is just what I needed to confirm that Bartolini is the ATO I am going to use for my CPL/ME IR. I am nearing the required hours for entry to the course and plan start the theory course in Sept providing I check all the boxes.. I am going to be working out there anyway so it's an ideal location for me. Anyway that leads on to my question: Does anyone know the best place in Poland I can get an initial class 1 medical done? I wont have time to get one here before I go in a few weeks and would rather not have to come back just for that! Of course, I will if I have to.
Thanks
I'm new to the forum but the above thread is just what I needed to confirm that Bartolini is the ATO I am going to use for my CPL/ME IR. I am nearing the required hours for entry to the course and plan start the theory course in Sept providing I check all the boxes.. I am going to be working out there anyway so it's an ideal location for me. Anyway that leads on to my question: Does anyone know the best place in Poland I can get an initial class 1 medical done? I wont have time to get one here before I go in a few weeks and would rather not have to come back just for that! Of course, I will if I have to.
Thanks
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You can do it in Warsaw and later do the re-validations in Lodz where the ATO is.
It is much cheaper than in the UK too and as medicals go its pretty standard.
The guys in BA will point you towards the place where you can do the initial Class 1 in Warsaw.
It is much cheaper than in the UK too and as medicals go its pretty standard.
The guys in BA will point you towards the place where you can do the initial Class 1 in Warsaw.
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Hello PiwiOPL,
I don't see any problem just to contact Bartolini by mail and ask for a meeting.
I think every uber driver knows where it is located as many Bartolini's students use uber thanks to cheap price
I don't see any problem just to contact Bartolini by mail and ask for a meeting.
I think every uber driver knows where it is located as many Bartolini's students use uber thanks to cheap price
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To reach Lodz from Paris, your options are to fly from CDG on AF or LOT (or possibly Lufthansa or KLM with a connection - sometimes the fares are better) or Wizzair from Beauvais to Warsaw-Chopin, then take a bus or taxi to Warsaw's central train station (Warszawa Centralna) and to buy a train ticket to Lodz (120 km or so - even express trains are cheap in Poland) then as mentioned above, another taxi/uber to Bartolini's Lodz-Lublinek base. Ryanair also flies from Beauvais to Warsaw-Modlin, 40 km North of Warsaw. Then you can get a shuttle bus to the city centre and get on the train to Lodz.
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See also the 'Modlin Bus' service operated by OK Bus. Goes from Modlin, Central Warsaw and Okecie/Chopin to Lodz several times a day, not as quick as the train I suspect but very cheap.
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Hello There! I was just wondering if anyone out there is starting their flight training at Bartolini. Cause I have enrolled in the course and will be there. It would be nice to meet some new friends.
If anyone out there is following the same path PM me!
If anyone out there is following the same path PM me!
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Do you guys know if Bartolini only offers their 0 to fATPL program?
I wanted to do my PPL there and later on decide whether stay there or not but they told me I have to do the whole program, which for me sounds weird isn't it?
I wanted to do my PPL there and later on decide whether stay there or not but they told me I have to do the whole program, which for me sounds weird isn't it?
