Getting to Commercial (Noob question)
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Getting to Commercial (Noob question)
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Bit of a noob question but here it is:
I have only been flying a few times but it is my dream to become a commercial pilot. However, doing research, read books, articles ect on flying and the paths on how to become a commercial pilot and i have managed to confuse myself. I can't work out what i have to do to become a commercial pilot. Obviously i know i have to get my PPL, CPL and ATPL but there are so many different combinations/abbreviations of doing this that i have managed to get confused.
What im asking for is that someone explains the most common or "easiest" way to become a commercial pilot after gaining my PPL.
Thanks
Mark
Bit of a noob question but here it is:
I have only been flying a few times but it is my dream to become a commercial pilot. However, doing research, read books, articles ect on flying and the paths on how to become a commercial pilot and i have managed to confuse myself. I can't work out what i have to do to become a commercial pilot. Obviously i know i have to get my PPL, CPL and ATPL but there are so many different combinations/abbreviations of doing this that i have managed to get confused.
What im asking for is that someone explains the most common or "easiest" way to become a commercial pilot after gaining my PPL.
Thanks
Mark
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First you get your PPL, then you build your hours untill you have around 150 hours. During your timebuilding or after, you start the atpl ground school and after finishing, you take the theoretical exams. After this you get your CPL/ME/IR and these may be done in different order. after these you are a commercial pilot and since you did the ATPL you have a froozen ATPL wich will become unfroozen at some point. Normally 1500 hours. If you want to instruct, you take a special course wich makes IT possible to apply for a job as a flight instructor teaching stalls and turns and all that. If you want to fly for the airlines you need a Type Rating on the plane you are going to fly. You can apply to an airline and some of these psy the Type Rating for you. Or you can pay for it yourself and apply to an airline that uses that plane.
This is the basic information you need to know about. There are different ests of doing this, step by step or all togheter non stop. There are many things to be Said about type rarings, schools etc so please read through this forum. You'll learn everything you need to know here and I know that there are professionals here that know a lot more than me. So search around!
Good luck!
This is the basic information you need to know about. There are different ests of doing this, step by step or all togheter non stop. There are many things to be Said about type rarings, schools etc so please read through this forum. You'll learn everything you need to know here and I know that there are professionals here that know a lot more than me. So search around!
Good luck!
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1. PPL
2. ATPL exams
3. Hour building to 100 hours PIC
4. Night Qualification
5. CPL
6. Multi IR
7. MCC - Multi Crew Co-op course
8. Buy a big stick to fend off all the airlines begging you to join them
You could if you wished after the CPL do the flight instructors course and teach for a while before doing the IR & MCC.
This way is known as the modular route.
Hope this helps
Cheers
2. ATPL exams
3. Hour building to 100 hours PIC
4. Night Qualification
5. CPL
6. Multi IR
7. MCC - Multi Crew Co-op course
8. Buy a big stick to fend off all the airlines begging you to join them
You could if you wished after the CPL do the flight instructors course and teach for a while before doing the IR & MCC.
This way is known as the modular route.
Hope this helps
Cheers
Or alternatively you do the following;
This way you build much more IFR or Instrument time.
- JAA (European) PPL, go to the US
- FAA (US) Instrument rating
- Timebuild on an IFR flightplan (much more valuable than doodling around VFR)
- FAA (US) Commercial
- JAA ATPL written exams
- CPL conversion
- IR conversion
This way you build much more IFR or Instrument time.
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marcus1290...great advice from Ty-Fry-Typhoon, fabbe92 and B2N2 
The only thing I would add is that you also need to keep you determination at 100% at all times. I am 49 now but in my younger days (after gaining my PPL) I to had ambitions of going pro, but didn't quite give it my all. I would say you have to 'live aviation' for the next few years in order to give yourself the best chance of making it...
...and I wish you all the best in what will be a great adventure for you.
Cheers - Keith
The only thing I would add is that you also need to keep you determination at 100% at all times. I am 49 now but in my younger days (after gaining my PPL) I to had ambitions of going pro, but didn't quite give it my all. I would say you have to 'live aviation' for the next few years in order to give yourself the best chance of making it...
...and I wish you all the best in what will be a great adventure for you.
Cheers - Keith
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just a small correction to one post above ; the night qualification is not required. The IR will give you night 'privilages' so you don't need to spend extra cash adding to your PPL (unless you want to of course).
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No it won't - having an IR removes the night currency requirement for carrying passengers, it doesn't remove the requirement for a night qualification to fly at night in the first place.
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Tread soft on this one -
LASORS 2008, LAS Section E, 1.2.
An applicant for a modular IR(A) course shall be the
holder of a PPL(A) or a CPL(A), either licence to include
the privileges to fly by night, issued in accordance with
ICAO Annex 1. In addition, applicants must hold a Flight
Radiotelephony Operator’s Licence.the privileges to fly by night, issued in accordance with
ICAO Annex 1. In addition, applicants must hold a Flight
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I don't have the magic words on my license. Mind you it is green
It is very common to get the whole lot issued at the same time because it will save you a heap of dosh.
I believe that if you do the IR test first it needs to be issued on the PPL.
But if you do the more common route of CPL then IR you don't require it on your license you just need all the ticks in the boxes.
Asking FCL anything these days is a waste of time because they will point you at lasors which if wrong they won't have a clue what your on about.
It is very common to get the whole lot issued at the same time because it will save you a heap of dosh.
I believe that if you do the IR test first it needs to be issued on the PPL.
But if you do the more common route of CPL then IR you don't require it on your license you just need all the ticks in the boxes.
Asking FCL anything these days is a waste of time because they will point you at lasors which if wrong they won't have a clue what your on about.
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Or go to Oxford or Cabair or the like and do an integrated full time course, and leave with a CPL IR (frozen ATPL) The basic licence for an airline job.
This route is expensive but you don't need even a PPL to start with. It is the fastest route taking approx 15 months.
This route is expensive but you don't need even a PPL to start with. It is the fastest route taking approx 15 months.
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I believe that if you do the IR test first it needs to be issued on the PPL.
Asking FCL anything these days is a waste of time because they will point you at lasors which if wrong they won't have a clue what your on about.
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Nobody said you did. But you wil have passed all the progress checks which will be the ticks in the boxes that will all come together at the end to be issued exactly the same license as a modular student.
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You must be joking
3 weeks PPL, phase one 8 weeks including exams and brush up, 2 weeks hour build, 6 weeks for phase 2, Hour build and MEP and night qual if you already didn't do it during your PPL.
5 weeks IR 2 weeks CPL, 5 weeks FI 2 weeks MCC.
Ready for a nervous break down yes I would agree.
I didn't do the MCC because I had a FI job to go to straight out of training and did it a year later after having 1000 hours in my log book.
I did the rest though in 50 weeks and only stopped working for the CPL/IR and FI.
Would I suggest anyone does it that quick these days?
Like hell, there arn't any jobs at the end of it so why sit becoming stale struggling to remain current when you could time it so you come on the market when folk start hiring.
But as you have obviously swallowed the intergrated sales patter and believe it is the premier way to train no doudt this post will be lost on you felix.
3 weeks PPL, phase one 8 weeks including exams and brush up, 2 weeks hour build, 6 weeks for phase 2, Hour build and MEP and night qual if you already didn't do it during your PPL.
5 weeks IR 2 weeks CPL, 5 weeks FI 2 weeks MCC.
Ready for a nervous break down yes I would agree.
I didn't do the MCC because I had a FI job to go to straight out of training and did it a year later after having 1000 hours in my log book.
I did the rest though in 50 weeks and only stopped working for the CPL/IR and FI.
Would I suggest anyone does it that quick these days?
Like hell, there arn't any jobs at the end of it so why sit becoming stale struggling to remain current when you could time it so you come on the market when folk start hiring.
But as you have obviously swallowed the intergrated sales patter and believe it is the premier way to train no doudt this post will be lost on you felix.
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Well done, impressive....but generally it takes longer to do it modular. There are always exceptions..... and generally it can be easier getting a job. Now someone will argue that no its not...but there are no hard and fasts...I say generally
And I speak from experience, yes I was integrated and yes it took me 13 months start to finish, and 5 weeks to get a job (a jet job, and I add I was VERY lucky) I now have nearly 8000 hours jet, 2000 hours command, and fly B777 so please feel free to shoot me down all you like :0) I am just answering questions, helping where I can, no skin off my nose :0)
And I speak from experience, yes I was integrated and yes it took me 13 months start to finish, and 5 weeks to get a job (a jet job, and I add I was VERY lucky) I now have nearly 8000 hours jet, 2000 hours command, and fly B777 so please feel free to shoot me down all you like :0) I am just answering questions, helping where I can, no skin off my nose :0)