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Old 8th Oct 2010, 19:08
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What a nice guy.

I don't think he is slagging the piper, but it is indeed a completely different beast to an A320.. it feels very weird just going from an MEP back into it, let alone a bus!
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Old 8th Oct 2010, 19:10
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A little harsh, no?
Perhaps.

How about a little empathy maybe.
As mentioned, I had empathy until I read on.

but took offence to your post so am simply offering my opinion.
You are welcome to do so. I was offended that the OP thinks having spent several years flying at vast expense, that my job must be little more than a joke flying toys, and offered my opinion. I suspect those who spent the time training him, would probably feel the same.

maybe you will appreciate the fact that the OP has progressed this far to at least a satisfactory standard
maybe
I have already got 2 remidial sessions
For the record, it would not be human, to not get nervous. I was nervous when I did my IR, as I suspect everyone is. But that's an exam. Not every time you go near a plane or a sim. That sounds like a crisis of confidence.

However I suspect you and I have been unnecessarily offended, as lonkmu may well be right anyway.
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Old 8th Oct 2010, 21:09
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This is Amazing!
Thank you guys again! I really apreciate all the help.
I passed my exam the day I started the topic. It went really well and our examiner gave me and my crew mate good remarks. We made some minor mistakes but overall it went smooth. I thanked my instructor via sms, but still have to send him an e mail. After all I am so thankfull to him. I deserved the beatings Will have to work on thinking ahead, that will make me more aware and less nervous.
Also, wanted to apologise for calling Piper a toy. Maybe I didnt choose my words properly. I meant that Piper became so familiar after a while, that it really did not give me any stress before a flight. I was still vigilant, but not nervous. I have never experienced a real emergency in those training aircraft and do not know all the capabilities. So again, please forgive me for my ignornce. I will always love the Seminole and the Warrior and the Arrow.
It is my 2nd day home. Just arrived yesterday morning. We have base training in a couple of days, cant wait!

Cant thank you enough, for all the help! I have not read it until today, and even though I passed me exam I am so happy that there are so many people that really care! I will try t return the favour when somebody will need help!
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Old 8th Oct 2010, 21:32
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You will now start line training and here the pressure will mount and real life events can place more stress on you than those in the sim. There is no magic cure for dealing with the stress that will come but may I make the following suggestions:

1. Don't drag the past with you. If you foul up, so what. We all do. Leave it behind. Get on with the next job.
2. Before it happens, think what the next job is and prepare for it. And the one following etc. All the time your priorities should change.
3. Before committing yourself, consider what you wouldn't like to happen - like a last minute runway change for example. How will you deal with that?
4. If you look like you are getting high on profile, or low on speed on the approach - take some bloody action early. Then small changes will be required instead of HUGE ones. Don't let yourself get painted into a corner.
5. Have a rough idea where you are. What will be your MSA in ten minutes time? If you have to divert or land quickly, where will you go?

This isn't an exhaustive list nor is it the definitive one, but it might help. And well done on passing your test.
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Old 8th Oct 2010, 21:35
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And well done on passing your test.
Seconded, .
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Old 8th Oct 2010, 21:38
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Congratulations, though I won't take any credit for helping.

Sorry for reacting to the Piper thing. Just rubbed me up the wrong way at the end of a long week. Good luck in the bus.
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Old 10th Oct 2010, 00:30
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Lpc A320

Hi

I took my A320 rating about a year ago, and i have not got any job offers.

Its like every year you have to do a LPC, (what a wast of money), anybody want to do the LPC with me? , i need a partner. I have to complete LPC this month october 2010, some where in EU. Any suggestion ?!

cheers !
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Old 10th Oct 2010, 01:25
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A bit of nervousness is a good thing (not too-much), its the body keeping you alert and helping you make quick decisions. Being overly relaxed tends to be more dangerous in flying.
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Old 10th Oct 2010, 03:14
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I can only type this as ground crew on military aircraft, however when learning our "see-off" and "see-in" procedures i found that i would get extremly nervous when the aircrew were approaching the aircraft and when the aircraft returning from a sortie would be approaching the pan.

I found "and it doesnt work for everyone" that if i listened to a certain song or type of music it would relax me enough so that when i went out to do a see-off or see-in i would have a clear head. I also talked to my instructors after each procedure to see what they had picked up on and then concentrated on correcting the mistakes 1 at a time.

hope this helps in some way
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Old 10th Oct 2010, 12:11
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I was given the best bit of advice by one of my RAF instructors when I started to flap and panic.

Be like a duck - calm and collected on the surface, giving the impression to everyone that you know what's going on, but paddling like hell underneath. slowly but surely, by trying to portray a calm outlook I started to be calm inside.

I am always keen to get things done quickly and enthusiastically and this can often result in things looking panicked (not sure that's a word?) or rushed. I was also told a bit of advice by one of my TR instructors on the 757, "sit on your hands, count to 3 then do what you were going to do" this inevitably has stopped me making a countless number of rushed errors in the past. After all, if it's not on fire or in decompression - what's the rush?

Things will get better with experience - just remember, you wouldn't be where you are now if you weren't any good.

Take a deep breath count to three and try again.

Good luck
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Old 10th Oct 2010, 13:28
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Yup, the old advice to "sit on your hands and count to x" was given to my course during the very first few days at flight school and it helped me lots of times since then. Of course starting flight school with a couple hundred hours of glider flying helped quite a bit as well.
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Old 10th Oct 2010, 22:18
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the old advice to "sit on your hands and count to x"
was most certainly not given to me during my commercial flying training.

Quite the reverse: my instructors always criticised me in the sim for being too slow and regarded it as evidence of a slow mind.

Thankfully, the attitude of Captains on the line has been quite different and my more careful approach to the serious business of flying is now applauded in my line checks. Furthermore, by learning at my pace and refusing to be rushed, things are now deeply inbedded in my pea-sized brain and my pace has quicked without sacrificing care.

There are very few situations where speed is more important that taking due care. In fact, I can't think of any.
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Old 11th Oct 2010, 07:47
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Thank you very much!
A lot of good advices here! Will definately use them during work!
Also received my ICAO english profeciency results today! I got a level 6!
So Happy!!! (Just wanted to brag, sorry for offtopic)
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Old 12th Oct 2010, 12:21
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Tima84

I read this thread when you first posted on here, and I just checked back to see if you passed your sim check. I see you did pass, so congratulations! It seems to me that you are a lot more capable than you realise. Every time you go in the sim, or fly on the line, the environment will become more familiar and you will become more confident.

You sound like a down to earth guy who is not afraid to admit the challenges you face in life (we all have them). I wish you the best for the future.
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Old 12th Oct 2010, 16:13
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Tima84

'and even though I passed me exam'

Must be a spelling error

Seriously,well done.
Now enjoy the base training,and try not to worry too much and remember of dual RA failure during flare

Line training is the moment when you start shaping yourself into one professional and experienced Captain,so read read read read learn learn learn.
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