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Old 13th Aug 2018, 12:30
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I’ve just read all your messages on this forum and as a AB initio student (WIZZ AIR CADET) in this school I would like to add a few things concerning your opinion.

Indeed, the school is overwhelmed by the success of their cadet programs and they’re struggling to follow the pace. It’s true, sometimes, I had bad instructors (specially for RNAV and POF) and the organization is often « random », plans and planning have changed every 2 months.

But to be honest at the beginning I planned to go to CAE and I’ve changed my choice when I saw the price difference (almost half….) and all the BAA partnerships. I don’t regret my choice and I’m gonna explain why.

- Even if the school has sometimes bad experience with some instructors, after each subject they ask us to make a report… usually when instructors don’t get good marks… they’re fired…

- Some of the instructors (Peter, Ylies, Airspeaks with real ATC Vilnius tower) are very good, professional and friendly. They try to do everything to help you, even calling you on a weekend to be sure that you understood the topics and propose you additional class for free.

- I can see that the school is really doing everything to help us to find a job, and/or a partnership with an airline. We are 13 in the class, at the beginning 3 of us started without any partnership with an airline (self-sponsored). The school has done everything to send them to pass new assessments with all their partner airlines (Avion, Wizz, Smartlynx, Smallplanet) until they succeed and now, we are all involved in a cadet program… the school could have kept these places to attract new students and get more money… they didn’t do that…

- Some of our good instructors were students before… (Mass&Balance, meteo, flight planning) , that mean even if they didn’t find a job straight after the ATPL.. the school hired them and has kept helping after they finished the training.. for information now.. 2 of them (out of 3) were hired by wizz air (helped by BAA)

- At the beginning of the training we were supposed to fly only in LITHUANIA (it means… being grounded during few months due to bad weather in this country)… they’ve opened a base in Spain this year to provide us a complete training without any interruption to finish as fast as possible… the price didn’t change at all and the school is even paying for the flights between Lithuania and Spain… some students are still complaining because they want tickets with extrabaggages… (just for comparison, at L3 they were supposed to fly to New Zealand, they paid almost 130 000€ and the school closed the base and now they have to fly in UK, without any compensation…

- And to finish… these partnerships with airlines are for me PRICELESS…. (just for information the Wizz air cadet program costs 128000€ with L3, and good luck regarding the price of the life when you stay 2 years in UK comparing to Lithuania)

To sum up everything , Don’t hesitate to get in touch with existing students.. it’s the best way to make your own decision.. because usually internet shows only the worst.

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Thank you for your input Kaeser. Since you're already at the academy, is it possible to connect me with some of the students who're currently pursuing a rating on the 320 at BAA?
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Thank you for your input Kaeser. Since you're already at the academy, is it possible to connect me with some of the students who're currently pursuing a rating on the 320 at BAA?
Basically, we are not in the same building and I know nothing regarding this part of the school :S , Maybe you can call the reception and ask yourself for some contacts with students passing the QT.
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Originally Posted by Kaeser
I’ve just read all your messages on this forum and as a AB initio student (WIZZ AIR CADET) in this school I would like to add a few things concerning your opinion.

Indeed, the school is overwhelmed by the success of their cadet programs and they’re struggling to follow the pace. It’s true, sometimes, I had bad instructors (specially for RNAV and POF) and the organization is often « random », plans and planning have changed every 2 months.

But to be honest at the beginning I planned to go to CAE and I’ve changed my choice when I saw the price difference (almost half….) and all the BAA partnerships. I don’t regret my choice and I’m gonna explain why.

- Even if the school has sometimes bad experience with some instructors, after each subject they ask us to make a report… usually when instructors don’t get good marks… they’re fired…

- Some of the instructors (Peter, Ylies, Airspeaks with real ATC Vilnius tower) are very good, professional and friendly. They try to do everything to help you, even calling you on a weekend to be sure that you understood the topics and propose you additional class for free.

- I can see that the school is really doing everything to help us to find a job, and/or a partnership with an airline. We are 13 in the class, at the beginning 3 of us started without any partnership with an airline (self-sponsored). The school has done everything to send them to pass new assessments with all their partner airlines (Avion, Wizz, Smartlynx, Smallplanet) until they succeed and now, we are all involved in a cadet program… the school could have kept these places to attract new students and get more money… they didn’t do that…

- Some of our good instructors were students before… (Mass&Balance, meteo, flight planning) , that mean even if they didn’t find a job straight after the ATPL.. the school hired them and has kept helping after they finished the training.. for information now.. 2 of them (out of 3) were hired by wizz air (helped by BAA)

- At the beginning of the training we were supposed to fly only in LITHUANIA (it means… being grounded during few months due to bad weather in this country)… they’ve opened a base in Spain this year to provide us a complete training without any interruption to finish as fast as possible… the price didn’t change at all and the school is even paying for the flights between Lithuania and Spain… some students are still complaining because they want tickets with extrabaggages… (just for comparison, at L3 they were supposed to fly to New Zealand, they paid almost 130 000€ and the school closed the base and now they have to fly in UK, without any compensation…

- And to finish… these partnerships with airlines are for me PRICELESS…. (just for information the Wizz air cadet program costs 128000€ with L3, and good luck regarding the price of the life when you stay 2 years in UK comparing to Lithuania)

To sum up everything , Don’t hesitate to get in touch with existing students.. it’s the best way to make your own decision.. because usually internet shows only the worst.
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Question BAA and Wizz Air Cadet programme wannabe - questions

Hello everyone!

A new member here, my first post, but been reading the forum for some time.

I am 31 years old, currently living and working in Vilnius (Lithuania). It's the same location where BAA flight school is located, basically only 8 km from my house.
I work as an IT engineer, also have some part time activities. I want to change my occupation, since the work I do is really dull and boring (same office every day, same people in the office, boring activities which I know by heart, no challence, etc). I finally decided that I want to be a (Airbus A320) pilot. Been curious about A320 for several past years, exploring it as amateur and somehow thought it would be ncie to do that for living.

The good news is that I have saved the required amount of money for the tranings.
Bad news is that I'm 10-12 years late to join this sphere

I have already had a quick conversation with a representative from BAA. I was informed about Wizz Air Cadet programme, the price of the studies (approx. 62k Euro, some amount is sponsored by Wizz, although no Type Rating in this price, as far as I understand). I was informed that in order for me to join the school, the following must be passed/obtained:
1) Profile XT test;
2) English language written test;
3) Compass test;
4) Interview with BAA;
5) Class 1 medical certificate.

Since during last 7-8 years I didn't have any interviews/tests/etc, this makes me a bit embarrased. I know that Profile XT test will be carried out in native language and is just a personality test, so shouldn't be difficult. I also believe my English is good enough so English test should go fine too.
I have checked my health recently (I told the doctors I will be needing Class 1) - almost everything is fine but I need a surgery for nasal septum... Not a problem, I will do that in case I pass the selection process.
However.. Compass test and the Interview part makes me worried a bit.

I have signed up at PilotAptitudeTest.com website and tried to solve maths and physics tests there for a few days. After multiple solving, I noticed that the questions start to repeat and I know the answers by heart

My goals (long term):
-Obtain CPL
-Start working at Wizz Air (or maybe there are better companies?) and fly as much hours as possible during first few years to gain experience and overtake the "10-12 years beeing too late in this sphere".

PS: I have had a 1 hour A320 similator session at BAA with an instructor. I think I did fine having in mind that I had no experience and it was the first time being behind the cockpit.

Questions:
-Has anyone attended BAA? How's the school? How's the staff? What are pros and cons of this school?
-Could someone please tell me more about the Compass test at BAA? What sources are the best to use to prepare for it, what to expect during the test? What is the percentage of passed/failed people, etc? Can I use paper and pen during the test? (Primary for math calculations) How long does the test last?
-Any hints, tips, tricks or experiences about the interview at BAA?
-Finally, is my decision on all the above correct? Or am I far away from reality?

Sorry for longish first post and thanks for your answers!
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Originally Posted by hid3
Hello everyone!

A new member here, my first post, but been reading the forum for some time.

I am 31 years old, currently living and working in Vilnius (Lithuania). It's the same location where BAA flight school is located, basically only 8 km from my house.
I work as an IT engineer, also have some part time activities. I want to change my occupation, since the work I do is really dull and boring (same office every day, same people in the office, boring activities which I know by heart, no challence, etc). I finally decided that I want to be a (Airbus A320) pilot. Been curious about A320 for several past years, exploring it as amateur and somehow thought it would be ncie to do that for living.

The good news is that I have saved the required amount of money for the tranings.
Bad news is that I'm 10-12 years late to join this sphere

I have already had a quick conversation with a representative from BAA. I was informed about Wizz Air Cadet programme, the price of the studies (approx. 62k Euro, some amount is sponsored by Wizz, although no Type Rating in this price, as far as I understand). I was informed that in order for me to join the school, the following must be passed/obtained:
1) Profile XT test;
2) English language written test;
3) Compass test;
4) Interview with BAA;
5) Class 1 medical certificate.

Since during last 7-8 years I didn't have any interviews/tests/etc, this makes me a bit embarrased. I know that Profile XT test will be carried out in native language and is just a personality test, so shouldn't be difficult. I also believe my English is good enough so English test should go fine too.
I have checked my health recently (I told the doctors I will be needing Class 1) - almost everything is fine but I need a surgery for nasal septum... Not a problem, I will do that in case I pass the selection process.
However.. Compass test and the Interview part makes me worried a bit.

I have signed up at PilotAptitudeTest.com website and tried to solve maths and physics tests there for a few days. After multiple solving, I noticed that the questions start to repeat and I know the answers by heart

My goals (long term):
-Obtain CPL
-Start working at Wizz Air (or maybe there are better companies?) and fly as much hours as possible during first few years to gain experience and overtake the "10-12 years beeing too late in this sphere".

PS: I have had a 1 hour A320 similator session at BAA with an instructor. I think I did fine having in mind that I had no experience and it was the first time being behind the cockpit.

Questions:
-Has anyone attended BAA? How's the school? How's the staff? What are pros and cons of this school?
-Could someone please tell me more about the Compass test at BAA? What sources are the best to use to prepare for it, what to expect during the test? What is the percentage of passed/failed people, etc? Can I use paper and pen during the test? (Primary for math calculations) How long does the test last?
-Any hints, tips, tricks or experiences about the interview at BAA?
-Finally, is my decision on all the above correct? Or am I far away from reality?

Sorry for longish first post and thanks for your answers!
Labukas Hid3,

I have been in BAA in 2011-2013. I cannot say that much about the present BAA.
BUT the best way to prepare for Compass is with this software https://www.skytest.de/SkyTest-Train...eenings-31.htm. Furthermore maybe a tip is to find in Lithuania a company which prepares you for HR Interviews. Usually such Interviews in almost every field are pretty much the same. Why you and not those other guys. Why only now and not when you were younger. What are your weaknesses etc.

In Compass there is basic Technical stuff. Not much of rocket science. I am not an ACE, but I passed the Compass without any practice. But for such an Cadet program you better be prepared. You only get one chance. If you are prepared, you feel a lot more confident and have bigger chance to pass.

Sekmes .

Pagarbiai,

P40
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Old 19th Aug 2018, 15:18
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Hi!

Thanks for the reply. I've re-read this entire thread (and some more) but still have the questions, lol
I know some "answers" to those common questions, however, not sure how "currect" they are.

This week will try to look for someone who may prepare for a HR interview. Guess that'd be useful in the rest of life too.

Thank you!
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To me BAA seem a bit like a scam. I sent an inquiry and since then I've contacted a couple of times from representative about my decision. I think a school working in optimum capacity would not contact a single potential candidate numerous times, kinda pushing for an interview. What are your opinions?
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Strange enough, I had a live conversation with them, they sent me one email with the all the details (about the academy, numbers, etc) but never chased me asking if I got interested or not, if had any further queries, etc. Maybe They didn't like me at the beginning?

I'd like to ask some questions those, who have studied in Wizz Air Cadett programe and now are emplyed:
1) What is the internal atmopshere there at Wizz Air?
2) What is the work schedule? How many days you work, how many rest at home?
3) After the contract period expires (and let's assume you get promoted to Captain), is it a good place to stay work further there or are there better places/choices around?
4) What country/city do you live and what country/city you mostly reside? I mean, do current pilots at Wizz work more closer to their home or totally away?

Thank you!
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Originally Posted by Flion
To me BAA seem a bit like a scam. I sent an inquiry and since then I've contacted a couple of times from representative about my decision. I think a school working in optimum capacity would not contact a single potential candidate numerous times, kinda pushing for an interview. What are your opinions?
The School aint a scam. I paid for my training. They gave me the training. I graduated, and thats it. I got what I paid for.

A scam would be more like paying money and then your money is gone and you dont get anything back for your money.
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With the BAA you can get an EASA licence for half the price in comparison to some other better schools. It is definitely not the best aviation academy, we all know that, but for 60+k eur you can get an OK training. If you get lucky, you can get very good instructors, but chances are that some of the theory instructors will be pretty bad, which doesn't matter too much since we all do the question banks mostly. The VFR flight training, you really need to get lucky there, some of the instructors are very bad, no one knows why they are here. Probably it is difficult to find flight instructors who want to work in Lithuania. IFR instructors are better, I have to admit.
 
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Can anyone on the course for the cadet programme at small planet airlines with BAA comment on the guarantee of the job after? Thank you.
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Originally Posted by hid3
Strange enough, I had a live conversation with them, they sent me one email with the all the details (about the academy, numbers, etc) but never chased me asking if I got interested or not, if had any further queries, etc. Maybe They didn't like me at the beginning?

I'd like to ask some questions those, who have studied in Wizz Air Cadett programe and now are emplyed:
1) What is the internal atmopshere there at Wizz Air?
2) What is the work schedule? How many days you work, how many rest at home?
3) After the contract period expires (and let's assume you get promoted to Captain), is it a good place to stay work further there or are there better places/choices around?
4) What country/city do you live and what country/city you mostly reside? I mean, do current pilots at Wizz work more closer to their home or totally away?

Thank you!
Hello !

I been reading this thread and came across your recent messages. I must say, I get the impression that you are a bit reluctant to apply and the people at BAA can see these signs a mile away hence perhaps they didn't chase you. While it is normal to have these questions in mind, none can never be fully answered until you are in the industry. I totally understand that it is your money going onto a new chapter of your life and before you take the step you want a 100% reassurance and satisfaction. But believe me when I say that aviation doesn't work that way. Let me give you a few examples to help you illustrate the reality of aviation:

1. Let's say an airline pilot from Wizz Air responded back to your questions and sounded promising. Whats to say that you will have the same experience? Maybe that pilot is on a base that keeps him happy, hence the positive acknowledgment of the airline. But you could also get another pilot who is not happy because he's not on the base he prefers, etc.

2. So after your research and speaking with numerous pilots, you concluded that it's worth the 'risk'. But you find out that the scheme does not guarantee the placement. You find that 80% of graduates get the placement. What will you do? Not apply? Perhaps the 20% didn't pass their ATPL's or generally didn't meet with training standards or simply gave up.

3. But you take the risk and decide to apply. But now there's another problem, what if after you graduate in 2 years time, the economy is not great? You do your research and find that; problems are happening between the EU and UK, the oil can go up, another economic bubble, etc, you hear on the news. After all it is your hard saved money going into a blind faith of a good job at the end of the tunnel.

So, conclusion, you are 31 years old with probably no aviation background, Some pilots say yes, some say no to the airline, not every cadet gets the airline job and the economy is unpredictable.
Should you apply?

Option 1 - No. It's too risky, not worth the headache and insecurity, there isn't much information and help out there, too expensive, I might not even fly the A320, I might not even be based where I want, not for me.
Option 2 - Yes, because it's my passion, my dream. But I am also realistic to know the challenges and insecurities ahead of me. I will try with Wizz Air, if in the end I don't get that specific airline FO seat, I have a frozen ATPL that enables me to apply for other airlines (such as Small planet etc).

Please don't take this as a negative response. My point on this detailed response is to make you realise the aviation industry is very different than the 'regular job'. While it is very important to be realistic, it is even more important to have a genuine passion for aviation to give you the drive to apply and see where it leads too.

Sorry if this doesn't answer a single question. But I do hope it helps you decide whether you should go ahead and apply for it or not.

Peace!
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Originally Posted by XPDR7700
Can anyone on the course for the cadet programme at small planet airlines with BAA comment on the guarantee of the job after? Thank you.
No Airline will ever guarantee you a job as an ab initio cadet. If they do, they will most certainly have a star at the end of the guarantee (guarantee*).

3 reasons:

1 - Your training standards - Passing the aptitude test and the airline interview is just the beginning. Throughout the training you must keep your training to the airline standards. You may fail an ATPL exam? Or your overall pass might be 80% but the airline wants you to have at at least 85% (these are examples). The airline naturally mentors and monitors their 'future' pilots and assess their performance.
2 - Unpredictable airline economy - I'm sure you heard plenty of times an airline cancelling their orders or simply going bust because of the economy. This can happen today or when you graduate, so the brand new plane that the airline hoped to put you is not available now. Or the airline needs to cut costs and can't afford new pilots.
3 - It's not coming out of their pockets - This is my observation now. But I noticed that when an airline is willing to pay for your training and/or type rating, they are more likely to reassure you because, well, it's coming from their pockets so they feel more pressure to ensure you succeed.

I hope this helps! I suggest you apply for it. If worse case happens, you have an ATPL out of it.

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Excellent post PID but I think you are missing the point of his questions. It is a search for information, wanting a look into the current and possible future as a pilot in this specific airline. Anyone who thinks any answer should cover every possibility (not happy with base, change in economic climate, etc.) is misguided. I think anyone who asks a lot of questions prior to embarking upon a very important and expensive journey should be applauded; decisions like these should be entered knowing as much information as possible, don't you agree?

Everything is risky and I suspect aviation would be even more so than other possible jobs, but it is best to enter knowing the risks than be blindsided by not looking before you jump. Peace!
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Originally Posted by PID
If worse case happens, you have an ATPL out of it.
The worst case is you have a license but no job and a sizeable debt to pay. This isn't a £50 punt that anyone can afford and walk away from if it doesn't suit them....
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Originally Posted by Nurse2Pilot
Excellent post PID but I think you are missing the point of his questions. It is a search for information, wanting a look into the current and possible future as a pilot in this specific airline. Anyone who thinks any answer should cover every possibility (not happy with base, change in economic climate, etc.) is misguided. I think anyone who asks a lot of questions prior to embarking upon a very important and expensive journey should be applauded; decisions like these should be entered knowing as much information as possible, don't you agree?

Everything is risky and I suspect aviation would be even more so than other possible jobs, but it is best to enter knowing the risks than be blindsided by not looking before you jump. Peace!
I agree. I certainly done my homework before embarking on this journey. But I also found myself asking more and more questions. Spending more time being concerned while witnessing my friends applying and now happily flying. I believe there is a balance. I'm not eliminating the need to ask questions and learn about the airline you are about to apply. I am, however, enforcing the fact that some questions are purely subjective to the individual experience and that you will see yourself asking more and creating doubt/uncertainty.

Perhaps in 2 years time we can come back to this forum and speak to who took initiatives and now have airline jobs, and to who are still searching for answers.

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And as you have said, things may have changed and in two years, someone may have a very expensive qualification with no related employment with which to pay it back!

I cannot speak for the others but personally, I like these questions as it gives insight into the industry that I would dare say none of the general public know about. Good things (I'm based near home! Yay!!) and bad things (stupid rostering issues!!) are all realities in this business that people who are too busy choosing schools and finding the finances may not consider. I do understand that at some point, a decision has to be made and as with everything in life, nothing is certain, but still, it's nice to be broadening one's horizons while still on the ground.
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Hello gentlemen,

quite an interesting discussion has started. However, I think you misunderstood my questions.
I just asked about the internal atmosphere inside the company (e.g. if there was a huge personnel migration, either joining the company or massively leaving it) and about the working schedule and place.

I don't think these questions are too subjective and everyone has it own opinion - no, I think these are general things. E.g. working schedule - are you working in your home city/country or not? Do you work 5 days and have 3 days of rest or you do work say 12 days and have 7 days rest, etc, etc?
Are there any short or long term timetable made for pilots when to work, etc? (basically am I able to plan my personal life at least a bit in advance or is it all spontanic..)
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Originally Posted by hid3
Hello gentlemen,

quite an interesting discussion has started. However, I think you misunderstood my questions.
I just asked about the internal atmosphere inside the company (e.g. if there was a huge personnel migration, either joining the company or massively leaving it) and about the working schedule and place.

I don't think these questions are too subjective and everyone has it own opinion - no, I think these are general things. E.g. working schedule - are you working in your home city/country or not? Do you work 5 days and have 3 days of rest or you do work say 12 days and have 7 days rest, etc, etc?
Are there any short or long term timetable made for pilots when to work, etc? (basically am I able to plan my personal life at least a bit in advance or is it all spontanic..)
Regarding your Wizz Air related questions, I don't think anyone here will be able to provide useful insight as the first cadet group has only recently started the type rating if I'm not mistaken. It would be best to ask these questions on the Wizz Air thread in the Terms and Endearment section of the forum.
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