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Thank you. I'm also looking at doing it in Sweden (I started a contract here recently). Honestly, I'd prefer not to live in Blighty, however, if I have to move there to train, it'll be nowhere near London.
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Flight Schools
Hi all....
I am currently looking into begin pilot training next Spring.
I've been looking into various routes (modular vs integrated) and different flight schools. I'm minded to go for theab initio ATPL (not affiliated with any particular airline). I'm leaning towards this as opposed to modular as I'd like to get the training done in one hit. I have a wife and young children to support, so can't be out of work too long, and want to give the training my full attention rather than trying to do it alongside a day job. I can't afford to go on an airline affiliated ab initio ATPL, and from what I've read, you're paying nearly double for not a lot more.
I've found three potential flight schools so far that are around, or close to my limited budget, and I'm wondering if anyone has experience or knowledge of these. In rough order of preference, these are:
1) Aviation Career Centre - Slovenia
2) OneAir - Malaga
3) PTT Aviation
Can anyone recommend any other schools that provide EASA training, and where I could get to a frozen ATPL for approximately £60k? If outside of the UK, then I'll also need to factor in location as the family will hopefully temporarily relocate with me.
Thanks in advance for any insight.
I am currently looking into begin pilot training next Spring.
I've been looking into various routes (modular vs integrated) and different flight schools. I'm minded to go for theab initio ATPL (not affiliated with any particular airline). I'm leaning towards this as opposed to modular as I'd like to get the training done in one hit. I have a wife and young children to support, so can't be out of work too long, and want to give the training my full attention rather than trying to do it alongside a day job. I can't afford to go on an airline affiliated ab initio ATPL, and from what I've read, you're paying nearly double for not a lot more.
I've found three potential flight schools so far that are around, or close to my limited budget, and I'm wondering if anyone has experience or knowledge of these. In rough order of preference, these are:
1) Aviation Career Centre - Slovenia
2) OneAir - Malaga
3) PTT Aviation
Can anyone recommend any other schools that provide EASA training, and where I could get to a frozen ATPL for approximately £60k? If outside of the UK, then I'll also need to factor in location as the family will hopefully temporarily relocate with me.
Thanks in advance for any insight.
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Budding Commercial Pilot, nearly 16
Hi,
I am new to these forums, but I've been researching for many months now.
I have just finished my GCSEs and I have the entire summer to look deeper into my dream career. At the moment I have firm eyes on short-haul international flights with a selection of British airlines (EasyJet, Thomas Cook, Jet2, TUI and Ryanair). I see the various licence types CPL, ATPL etc and I have looked at various training centres within the UK. Now after speaking to Pilot George, I have learnt that it is best to stick with popular training centres due to their Airline Links. With L3 I think that the training bond solution is good although I suspect only BA and EasyJet are actually committed to paying the bond back to me once employed. I also choose L3 over CAE due to the financing, L3 goes through Optimum Finance and CAE goes through Pegasus. Borrowing £96,800 and £90,000 respectively from either finance partner shows that L3 is considerably more affordable. Paying £96,800 over 25 years at 4.9% works out at £560 per month in comparison to £90,000 over 10 years (maximum duration) at 7.9%, ending up with £1,087.20 per month, almost double the amount per month. So let's say I go with L3, I have a variety of courses to choose from, personally, I would go for an integrated APTL due to the range of airline employers rather than limiting myself to a set career with BA or EasyJet. So paying £560 per month seems affordable, would it be worthwhile saving £15,000 prior to starting the course to cover the loan repayments when I'm training and the first 6-9 months after leaving training (the period of time to find my first airline job)? Once I have landed my first job then I can cover the repayments for certain, I will also have to think about transportation once I land my first job (I am planning on saving money by not getting a car whilst I am training).
So thank you for reading, I just have a few questions in mind -
Thank you very much for your attention
I am new to these forums, but I've been researching for many months now.
I have just finished my GCSEs and I have the entire summer to look deeper into my dream career. At the moment I have firm eyes on short-haul international flights with a selection of British airlines (EasyJet, Thomas Cook, Jet2, TUI and Ryanair). I see the various licence types CPL, ATPL etc and I have looked at various training centres within the UK. Now after speaking to Pilot George, I have learnt that it is best to stick with popular training centres due to their Airline Links. With L3 I think that the training bond solution is good although I suspect only BA and EasyJet are actually committed to paying the bond back to me once employed. I also choose L3 over CAE due to the financing, L3 goes through Optimum Finance and CAE goes through Pegasus. Borrowing £96,800 and £90,000 respectively from either finance partner shows that L3 is considerably more affordable. Paying £96,800 over 25 years at 4.9% works out at £560 per month in comparison to £90,000 over 10 years (maximum duration) at 7.9%, ending up with £1,087.20 per month, almost double the amount per month. So let's say I go with L3, I have a variety of courses to choose from, personally, I would go for an integrated APTL due to the range of airline employers rather than limiting myself to a set career with BA or EasyJet. So paying £560 per month seems affordable, would it be worthwhile saving £15,000 prior to starting the course to cover the loan repayments when I'm training and the first 6-9 months after leaving training (the period of time to find my first airline job)? Once I have landed my first job then I can cover the repayments for certain, I will also have to think about transportation once I land my first job (I am planning on saving money by not getting a car whilst I am training).
So thank you for reading, I just have a few questions in mind -
- Am I eligible for student finance?
- Are my repayment forecasts correct?
- How can I prepare over the next two years for my training?
Thank you very much for your attention
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I'm training in Aviation Career Center for the past year now... came here with 1/2 PPL already done, finished the PPL, started ATPL & HB and now I'm on IR. I wasn't familiar with them but the price was very reasonable for me so I took my chance and I don't regret it. Guys are very flexible and helpful, training is progressing quickly (one student was in hurry and just finished IR in one month), airport is very nice - international but no traffic , a lot of attention is given on student's independence (especially on HB)... except the Slovenian CAA is a bit slow and you have to push them a bit
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As well as telling you if flying really is for you, doing it this way will also mean you’ll need less time off work when you start training full time.
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I called PPT and they are charging 10k for a PPL. Surely there are more competitive options in the North of Engerland? I was recently told you'd get one for 8k
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Lol where I live it's 14-16K Euro's MINIMUM hours including class 1 initial, LPE, RT, exam fees and license fees.
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Hi Adam,
It's nice to see how passionate you are.
First things first get you class 1 medical. It should be the very first thing you consider, because without it a commercial flying career is a non starter!
I've just turned 21 and I've been researching flight training since the age of 18 once I finished my A-Levels. Within that time I've changed my mind between modular and integrated training dozens of times. I sat an assessment for CAE Oxford. I was quite optimistic that I would stroll out of training into the right hand seat of an A320 and if I'm perfectly honest I probably could have. Easyjet was hiring waves upon waves of fresh cadets from CTC, CAE and FTE. I looked at my finances exactly the same way you are right now. 'If I cut this cost I can save this, If I don't do this I can afford this.' It turned out that parents were willing to help me fund my training. They relied on my proposal to them about the way the market was. It would of been very very tight but it was doable. I made a mature decision to not go ahead with that route. I don't think I would of been able to handle my training knowing that once I walk out the doors the crippling debt will swallow myself and my family home if I didn't secure that job fairly quickly. I started working on the ground for Jet2 the same year and got speaking to a pilot apprentice that was about to start his type rating on the 737NG. He'd paid 40,000 for his training. Don't be too quick to turn your nose up at the modular route. If money is an issue you will get the exact same piece of paper as an integrated student would. Airlines now do not care what your training background is aslong as you have a strong record with good results and first time passes. I mean look at Easyjet, the one airline who notoriously only recruit intergrated cadets opened up places for cadets from any training back ground and look at Ryanair who have just reduced their type rating bond!
I'm mid PPL now, flying 4 times per week all paid for by working, looking at moving straight onto the ATPLs after, with some hours building done in the north of England. A kind FO at Jet2 has a share in a Cessna he's looking to sell. Looking to have my full training done in the next 2 years!
Honestly Adam, you're only 15 mate so research every possible thing you can, build a network do some PPL flying and you'll thank yourself later!!
It's nice to see how passionate you are.
First things first get you class 1 medical. It should be the very first thing you consider, because without it a commercial flying career is a non starter!
I've just turned 21 and I've been researching flight training since the age of 18 once I finished my A-Levels. Within that time I've changed my mind between modular and integrated training dozens of times. I sat an assessment for CAE Oxford. I was quite optimistic that I would stroll out of training into the right hand seat of an A320 and if I'm perfectly honest I probably could have. Easyjet was hiring waves upon waves of fresh cadets from CTC, CAE and FTE. I looked at my finances exactly the same way you are right now. 'If I cut this cost I can save this, If I don't do this I can afford this.' It turned out that parents were willing to help me fund my training. They relied on my proposal to them about the way the market was. It would of been very very tight but it was doable. I made a mature decision to not go ahead with that route. I don't think I would of been able to handle my training knowing that once I walk out the doors the crippling debt will swallow myself and my family home if I didn't secure that job fairly quickly. I started working on the ground for Jet2 the same year and got speaking to a pilot apprentice that was about to start his type rating on the 737NG. He'd paid 40,000 for his training. Don't be too quick to turn your nose up at the modular route. If money is an issue you will get the exact same piece of paper as an integrated student would. Airlines now do not care what your training background is aslong as you have a strong record with good results and first time passes. I mean look at Easyjet, the one airline who notoriously only recruit intergrated cadets opened up places for cadets from any training back ground and look at Ryanair who have just reduced their type rating bond!
I'm mid PPL now, flying 4 times per week all paid for by working, looking at moving straight onto the ATPLs after, with some hours building done in the north of England. A kind FO at Jet2 has a share in a Cessna he's looking to sell. Looking to have my full training done in the next 2 years!
Honestly Adam, you're only 15 mate so research every possible thing you can, build a network do some PPL flying and you'll thank yourself later!!
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its quite expensive at Newcastle,
£25 per landing too.
Try Teeside, PTT have a base there but so does Eden flight training. They operate warriors and tomahawks.
You could probably do the PPL for around 7k in the tomahawk. Hourly rates including landing and touch and go fees and are by far the cheapest in the region, I know a guy that’s doing his LAPL at Eshott with the intention to convert it to a PPL, don’t know much about that but there’s another option too?
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Hi mate,
its quite expensive at Newcastle,
£25 per landing too.
Try Teeside, PTT have a base there but so does Eden flight training. They operate warriors and tomahawks.
You could probably do the PPL for around 7k in the tomahawk. Hourly rates including landing and touch and go fees and are by far the cheapest in the region, I know a guy that’s doing his LAPL at Eshott with the intention to convert it to a PPL, don’t know much about that but there’s another option too?
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Hi Richard - why not make a start on your PPL now whilst you’re still working ? You should comfortably have it out of the way by next spring if you start it this summer.
As well as telling you if flying really is for you, doing it this way will also mean you’ll need less time off work when you start training full time.
Could then do the remaining licences in Slovenia, learning to fly between the Alps and the Adriatic sounds very appealing!
Any thoughts on whether Brexit will create an issue with EASA licences, and will they need converting to UK CAA equivalent? If so, would this likely just be a paperwork exercise?
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Hi J,
Thanks a lot for taking the time to help me out it is greatly appreciated. Like you I did turn down the modular option before but I still think that it wouldn't be as smooth as the integrated routes. Today my girlfriend was flying to Italy and she sent me a video of her walking across the tarmac to the plane and within me, I just felt a rush of excitement and I would love to wake up and experience that feeling every single day.
I've seen this Jet2 apprenticeship scheme before, I don't fully understand it, it talks about learning all about Jet2 but then it's called 'pilot apprenticeship' so do you end up with an MPL? CPL? ATPL? How much would an introductory lesson be? I've learnt that a PPL is a good kickstarter so would this be a good idea - Finish A-Levels --> PPL --> Get a job --> keep applying for modular and integrated courses whilst still working --> pause/stop work if accepted to a course ?
Thanks.
Thanks a lot for taking the time to help me out it is greatly appreciated. Like you I did turn down the modular option before but I still think that it wouldn't be as smooth as the integrated routes. Today my girlfriend was flying to Italy and she sent me a video of her walking across the tarmac to the plane and within me, I just felt a rush of excitement and I would love to wake up and experience that feeling every single day.
I've seen this Jet2 apprenticeship scheme before, I don't fully understand it, it talks about learning all about Jet2 but then it's called 'pilot apprenticeship' so do you end up with an MPL? CPL? ATPL? How much would an introductory lesson be? I've learnt that a PPL is a good kickstarter so would this be a good idea - Finish A-Levels --> PPL --> Get a job --> keep applying for modular and integrated courses whilst still working --> pause/stop work if accepted to a course ?
Thanks.
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The important word here is SCHEME, and most airlines have them.
I wouldn’t waste my time with any of them.
And time is your most valuable asset.
Pilots fly their aircraft.
They are not there to learn every facet of the company.
I don’t want to live, breath and sleep the brand.
Just earn a decent living doing it.
If you want to fly.
Then just go on a do it.
Forget all this marketing hype.
Just resolve yourself to fly or learn more about flying everyday.
And in good time you will become a pilot.
Somebody with a PPL is a pilot.
An assistant flight instructor is a professional pilot.
All have my respect.
Somebody who just fills out applications and attends interviews and selection processs.
Well, they are just kind of missing the whole point.
Pilots fly planes.
Start with a PPL.
And stop worrying about all those SCHEMES.
You use use the term ‘applying’ for modular and intergrated courses.
Adam.
They are running a business, not a charity.
You are paying with your family’s money.
You are the boss.
Get in the drivers seat and take control of your destiny.
I’m thrilled that you are 15 and want to do this.
Well done, that’s half the battle of life won.
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In the 1980s and 1990s, Jet2 was known as Channel Express.
I used to jumpseat on their Herald’s, Electra’s and A300s to work.
Fine people.
I completely understand you wanting to work there.
But that’s not the issue.
The issue is ‘time’.
Now your only 15, and time is on your side.
I started as a British Airways engineering apprentice at age 16.
I didn’t commit to being a pilot until I was 18.
So this may not be relivant in your case.
But you always have to consider the negative consequences.
Something they never tell you in their marketing.
I completed a four year apprentiship in the early 1980s.
During a very nasty time in the U.K.
Last in - First out.
I was laid off along with three million others.
Now if you were to commit to Jet2 apprentice pilot program.
And the economy took a nose dive.
As it often does every twelve or so years.
(Last downturn 2009.)
What do you think would happen?
The same thing that happened to me.
Out on your ear.
It wasn’t a problem because I had a PPL/IMC, money and a plan.
For I didn’t want to do that mechanic job for the rest of my life.
But it sure was a wake up call to the ways of the world.
Now if you had spent your time flying instead of working Jet2 customer service assignments.
When the next recession hits, at least you’ll have your licenses and some experience to fall back on.
Networking is very important in any industry.
Get to know the airline and it’s people.
Keep track of names and faces.
Go to all seminars and family days and tours.
Meet as many people as you can.
It’s good practice on giving the right impression.
As for Intergrated Vs Modular.
I like cheap as possible, quick as possible and save your money for a quality MCC and a B737 type rating.
With this and some experience in a starter job and some internal recommendations.
I think you’ll be in far better standing with them.
Having an airline monitor your progress through flight training is also a huge burden I wouldn’t want.
It’s a hard enough career taking two check rides a year.
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In the 1980s and 1990s, Jet2 was known as Channel Express.
I used to jumpseat on their Herald’s, Electra’s and A300s to work.
Fine people.
I completely understand you wanting to work there.
But that’s not the issue.
The issue is ‘time’.
Now your only 15, and time is on your side.
I started as a British Airways engineering apprentice at age 16.
I didn’t commit to being a pilot until I was 18.
So this may not be relivant in your case.
But you always have to consider the negative consequences.
Something they never tell you in their marketing.
I completed a four year apprentiship in the early 1980s.
During a very nasty time in the U.K.
Last in - First out.
I was laid off along with three million others.
Now if you were to commit to Jet2 apprentice pilot program.
And the economy took a nose dive.
As it often does every twelve or so years.
(Last downturn 2009.)
What do you think would happen?
The same thing that happened to me.
Out on your ear.
It wasn’t a problem because I had a PPL/IMC, money and a plan.
For I didn’t want to do that mechanic job for the rest of my life.
But it sure was a wake up call to the ways of the world.
Now if you had spent your time flying instead of working Jet2 customer service assignments.
When the next recession hits, at least you’ll have your licenses and some experience to fall back on.
Networking is very important in any industry.
Get to know the airline and it’s people.
Keep track of names and faces.
Go to all seminars and family days and tours.
Meet as many people as you can.
It’s good practice on giving the right impression.
As for Intergrated Vs Modular.
I like cheap as possible, quick as possible and save your money for a quality MCC and a B737 type rating.
With this and some experience in a starter job and some internal recommendations.
I think you’ll be in far better standing with them.
Having an airline monitor your progress through flight training is also a huge burden I wouldn’t want.
It’s a hard enough career taking two check rides a year.
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That helps so much, so it’s pretty much clear to stay away from scheme and airline mentored integrated routes. Given that Brexit isnt going very well I guess the aviation industry will be effected heavily. Ultimately I want to be flying to Italy, Spain etc carrying excited kids on their first holidays, maybe inspiring some kids to grow up and become pilots perhaps how one pilot did to me. Once I’ve got everything for an fATPL I need to think about type ratings although the A320 is more futuristic I think that the 737 is more of a pilots plane, I don’t want to say down letting a computing fly the plane I want to be doing the flying, has anyone got a comparison or something to aid me with this? At the careers fair I’ll go to as many stalls as possible whilst going to as many seminars as possible. Do the fairs have the same airlines at each fair or is it different for each venue?