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Tough call, ultimately. For me, going modular was a matter of keeping my backup career active and doing it for less $$$.
I would only spend the big bucks on a set cadet scheme - not for an integrated course with no airlines affiliated. My general impression is that at our age, operators will understand why you don´t just cop out and do nothing but flight training. We do have obligations.
My personal conclusion was: the difference in cost is not translating into a proportionate difference in opportunities.
I would only spend the big bucks on a set cadet scheme - not for an integrated course with no airlines affiliated. My general impression is that at our age, operators will understand why you don´t just cop out and do nothing but flight training. We do have obligations.
My personal conclusion was: the difference in cost is not translating into a proportionate difference in opportunities.
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Very Modular Training
Hello everyone,
I need your opinion about my modular training plans. A brief information about myself, i'm working full time in Istanbul as an aeronautical engineer, therefore money and time are kind of limited for me. Last year i've took the PPL(A) from an EASA member state with distance learning. Here is my future plans, i will be appreciated if you share your opinion about applicability/cost/etc.. with me;
- First step, I am planning to start ATPL Theories with Cats Av. distance learning and take the exams in UK Authority,
- Second step, fly to US Florida for hour building and complete 100 hours PIC in 1 month. (By the end of theories i'll quit my job)
- Then come back and complete CPL/ME/IR in a different EASA member state from I took my PPL(A).
How feasible is that plan?
Thanks in advance.
I need your opinion about my modular training plans. A brief information about myself, i'm working full time in Istanbul as an aeronautical engineer, therefore money and time are kind of limited for me. Last year i've took the PPL(A) from an EASA member state with distance learning. Here is my future plans, i will be appreciated if you share your opinion about applicability/cost/etc.. with me;
- First step, I am planning to start ATPL Theories with Cats Av. distance learning and take the exams in UK Authority,
- Second step, fly to US Florida for hour building and complete 100 hours PIC in 1 month. (By the end of theories i'll quit my job)
- Then come back and complete CPL/ME/IR in a different EASA member state from I took my PPL(A).
How feasible is that plan?
Thanks in advance.
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Employability
Hello everyone,
I have started my PPL in France at a local club (only 6 hours in) and wondering what would be best :
- Continue my modular in France, and if all goes well, finishing in 2 to 4 years, so I would be 32 - 33 when applying for a job (not necessarily Arline pilot but any pilot job would satisfy me) so maybe a bit old.
- Do a 0-fATPL program (I'm thinking Bartolini or other school in Europe) hopefully finishing sooner and being able to apply sooner for jobs. Also, I know Bartolini is teamed with Wing Alliance so they have some connections with companies.
The modular in France would allow me to keep my job for some time but probably add some time to my qualifications, Bartolini or another full time training would allow me to apply way sooner for jobs.
I also wonder if a recruiter would prefer someone who traveled (and so, have been forced to use English only for his whole training) or wouldn't care about a applicant having done all his training close to home.
I ask because I intend after being qualified to apply to any company, at least in Euroope, maybe in the world (but then there is the problem with converting licenses to FAA or any other authority).
Also, in Europe aside from airline pilot and flight instructor, what jobs can you do as a pilot (while being paid at least the minimum), I wonder if GA is developed like I think it is in USA, seems to me that in Europe you have either big companies or nothing. Could be wrong tho.
Thanks in advance for your insights.
jr
I have started my PPL in France at a local club (only 6 hours in) and wondering what would be best :
- Continue my modular in France, and if all goes well, finishing in 2 to 4 years, so I would be 32 - 33 when applying for a job (not necessarily Arline pilot but any pilot job would satisfy me) so maybe a bit old.
- Do a 0-fATPL program (I'm thinking Bartolini or other school in Europe) hopefully finishing sooner and being able to apply sooner for jobs. Also, I know Bartolini is teamed with Wing Alliance so they have some connections with companies.
The modular in France would allow me to keep my job for some time but probably add some time to my qualifications, Bartolini or another full time training would allow me to apply way sooner for jobs.
I also wonder if a recruiter would prefer someone who traveled (and so, have been forced to use English only for his whole training) or wouldn't care about a applicant having done all his training close to home.
I ask because I intend after being qualified to apply to any company, at least in Euroope, maybe in the world (but then there is the problem with converting licenses to FAA or any other authority).
Also, in Europe aside from airline pilot and flight instructor, what jobs can you do as a pilot (while being paid at least the minimum), I wonder if GA is developed like I think it is in USA, seems to me that in Europe you have either big companies or nothing. Could be wrong tho.
Thanks in advance for your insights.
jr
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I know somebody in their mid 40s - currently on an integrated course and confident of gaining airline employment once complete.
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0-fATPL or totally modular
Thanks for you replies.
I'm trying to sort my ideas.
I'm actually in the process of selling a house, allowing me to do a 0-fATPL program once sold (but the process of selling the house could take some time). What do you think is best, waiting to sell the house, and then going in one big step from zero to commercial pilot, or going for a PPL this summer (in Hungary there is an offer for a 3 to 5 week PPL program) then do time building in France and once I have enough hours, apply for a CPL program ?
Do you think the ATPL theory can be done while keeping a full time job or is it better to quit work and go full time doing time building and ATPL alongside in order to apply quickly to a CPL program ?
I'm trying to sort my ideas.
I'm actually in the process of selling a house, allowing me to do a 0-fATPL program once sold (but the process of selling the house could take some time). What do you think is best, waiting to sell the house, and then going in one big step from zero to commercial pilot, or going for a PPL this summer (in Hungary there is an offer for a 3 to 5 week PPL program) then do time building in France and once I have enough hours, apply for a CPL program ?
Do you think the ATPL theory can be done while keeping a full time job or is it better to quit work and go full time doing time building and ATPL alongside in order to apply quickly to a CPL program ?
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Thanks for you replies.
I'm trying to sort my ideas.
I'm actually in the process of selling a house, allowing me to do a 0-fATPL program once sold (but the process of selling the house could take some time). What do you think is best, waiting to sell the house, and then going in one big step from zero to commercial pilot, or going for a PPL this summer (in Hungary there is an offer for a 3 to 5 week PPL program) then do time building in France and once I have enough hours, apply for a CPL program ?
Do you think the ATPL theory can be done while keeping a full time job or is it better to quit work and go full time doing time building and ATPL alongside in order to apply quickly to a CPL program ?
I'm trying to sort my ideas.
I'm actually in the process of selling a house, allowing me to do a 0-fATPL program once sold (but the process of selling the house could take some time). What do you think is best, waiting to sell the house, and then going in one big step from zero to commercial pilot, or going for a PPL this summer (in Hungary there is an offer for a 3 to 5 week PPL program) then do time building in France and once I have enough hours, apply for a CPL program ?
Do you think the ATPL theory can be done while keeping a full time job or is it better to quit work and go full time doing time building and ATPL alongside in order to apply quickly to a CPL program ?
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Ok thanks.
Is it possible to do only the ATPL theory in a ground school (so full time with class lessons) and do the rest modular ?
When I saw the proposition from Bartolini, the ATPL theory was ventilated as follow : 80H class, 650 e-learning (they are using Bristol GS ATPL) it seems they were confident you could complete the program in 9 month. So if possible my plan (other than a 0-fATPL program) was to finish my PPL this summer, then take ATPL theory and start hour building. If ATPL is too heavy whilst working full time, I would quit my job and concentrate for some months on ATPL and hour building, then hopefully passing the CPL and required exams, then looking for a job, then maybe type rating if job hunting fail.
Is it a good idea to do IR rating just after the PPL (with night rating) to be able to train to any type of flying during hour building phase before CPL IR ME ?
Is it possible to do only the ATPL theory in a ground school (so full time with class lessons) and do the rest modular ?
When I saw the proposition from Bartolini, the ATPL theory was ventilated as follow : 80H class, 650 e-learning (they are using Bristol GS ATPL) it seems they were confident you could complete the program in 9 month. So if possible my plan (other than a 0-fATPL program) was to finish my PPL this summer, then take ATPL theory and start hour building. If ATPL is too heavy whilst working full time, I would quit my job and concentrate for some months on ATPL and hour building, then hopefully passing the CPL and required exams, then looking for a job, then maybe type rating if job hunting fail.
Is it a good idea to do IR rating just after the PPL (with night rating) to be able to train to any type of flying during hour building phase before CPL IR ME ?
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Ok thanks.
Is it possible to do only the ATPL theory in a ground school (so full time with class lessons) and do the rest modular ?
When I saw the proposition from Bartolini, the ATPL theory was ventilated as follow : 80H class, 650 e-learning (they are using Bristol GS ATPL) it seems they were confident you could complete the program in 9 month. So if possible my plan (other than a 0-fATPL program) was to finish my PPL this summer, then take ATPL theory and start hour building. If ATPL is too heavy whilst working full time, I would quit my job and concentrate for some months on ATPL and hour building, then hopefully passing the CPL and required exams, then looking for a job, then maybe type rating if job hunting fail.
Is it a good idea to do IR rating just after the PPL (with night rating) to be able to train to any type of flying during hour building phase before CPL IR ME ?
Is it possible to do only the ATPL theory in a ground school (so full time with class lessons) and do the rest modular ?
When I saw the proposition from Bartolini, the ATPL theory was ventilated as follow : 80H class, 650 e-learning (they are using Bristol GS ATPL) it seems they were confident you could complete the program in 9 month. So if possible my plan (other than a 0-fATPL program) was to finish my PPL this summer, then take ATPL theory and start hour building. If ATPL is too heavy whilst working full time, I would quit my job and concentrate for some months on ATPL and hour building, then hopefully passing the CPL and required exams, then looking for a job, then maybe type rating if job hunting fail.
Is it a good idea to do IR rating just after the PPL (with night rating) to be able to train to any type of flying during hour building phase before CPL IR ME ?
If you study full time, 8h per day every day, there's no reason why it couldn't be done in 9 months. They are significant and hard work though. Under estimate their difficulty at your peril.
As for the IR that depends how you intend on doing your flying. Most schools.offer combined IR,CPL and ME courses. In order to satisfy the required hours for each area. That's a personal choice. There are exams for the IR which would need passing before you started the course. If you want the ATPL then personally I would combine it all into one. Again, That's personal choice though.
Ok thanks.
Is it possible to do only the ATPL theory in a ground school (so full time with class lessons) and do the rest modular ?
Is it a good idea to do IR rating just after the PPL (with night rating) to be able to train to any type of flying during hour building phase before CPL IR ME ?
Is it possible to do only the ATPL theory in a ground school (so full time with class lessons) and do the rest modular ?
Is it a good idea to do IR rating just after the PPL (with night rating) to be able to train to any type of flying during hour building phase before CPL IR ME ?
You can't do the IR immediately after the ppl, you need 50 hours cross country PIC time before you can start. However it is a very good it's to take the IR before the CPL of you want to get everything done in 200 hours.
By far the cheapest (and by cheaper I mean at least £10k cheaper) is to start with an FAA PPL then add an IR and ME rating. You have to hour build anyway, so it's just the instruction you're paying for. Here's the punchline: if you get 50 hours PIC under ifr (free in your hour building) then you can convert to an EASA MEIR with no minimum aircraft hours (normally it's 21 plus 40 SIM)
Then all you need to do is a 15 hour single engine CPL course.
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ICAO CPL to EASA fATPL
Good day all.
I am Looking to Convert my current ICAO CPL to an EASA fATPL.
I currently Hold an ICAO Class1 Medical, ICAO MCC, etc.
Please can someone with regards to this as I am moving to the UK very soon.
I believe that I need to do the EASA Class 1 medical before I start with anything. (this costs aropund 550 pounds)
Would Just like to find out from anyone that can help what would be the best and cheapest ropute for me to go about to finish all the required training and then be able to get a job in the UK.
Please help with:
1) Ground School Stugesstions and costs
2) Flight School Suggestions and costs
3) Who will be able to hire me after finishing the training. (Would love to work for the likes of EasyJet, RyanAir, etc)
I currently have 1500Hrs Total time, 1200Hrs Multicrew (Cessna Grand Caravan - multicrew in RSA ehen more than 9 pax carried), 40Hrs Night
all help would be greatly appriciated
I am Looking to Convert my current ICAO CPL to an EASA fATPL.
I currently Hold an ICAO Class1 Medical, ICAO MCC, etc.
Please can someone with regards to this as I am moving to the UK very soon.
I believe that I need to do the EASA Class 1 medical before I start with anything. (this costs aropund 550 pounds)
Would Just like to find out from anyone that can help what would be the best and cheapest ropute for me to go about to finish all the required training and then be able to get a job in the UK.
Please help with:
1) Ground School Stugesstions and costs
2) Flight School Suggestions and costs
3) Who will be able to hire me after finishing the training. (Would love to work for the likes of EasyJet, RyanAir, etc)
I currently have 1500Hrs Total time, 1200Hrs Multicrew (Cessna Grand Caravan - multicrew in RSA ehen more than 9 pax carried), 40Hrs Night
all help would be greatly appriciated
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Modular Flight Schools to Consider
Hi All,
I am just starting my ATPL theory exams, and I have realised that I best get on with booking my CPL MEIR somewhere, as waiting lists seems long... for example Oct 2019 is the earliest for Bartolini Air. I plan on getting through there ATPL's in 10 - 12 months, as well as my hours building.
So these are the schools I am so far considering, and I plan on visiting them.
Diamond Flight academy
Bartolini
BAA Training
Egnatia
STO Flight training Stolkholme
Are there any others I have missed which I should be considering? I am not including Oxford, L3 or FTE Jerez, due to costs.
I know there are several threads on schools, but I guess reputation and opinions are forever changing, I would also like to hear if people think one is worth going for even if it means waiting an additional 6 months for a place, such as Bartolini?
The other thing I am unsure of is this "Wings alliance" they have approved training providers... but I'm not sure how much use they would be, and if its worth sticking to only the schools they endorse... I would appreciate any opinion on them.
One other thing to add is... I don't fancy a "rushed course" as in I am not attracted to a school saying it only takes 8 weeks or whatever, I would rather the take a bit longer is my preference... but I guess the good schools need to get people through quickly.
I am just starting my ATPL theory exams, and I have realised that I best get on with booking my CPL MEIR somewhere, as waiting lists seems long... for example Oct 2019 is the earliest for Bartolini Air. I plan on getting through there ATPL's in 10 - 12 months, as well as my hours building.
So these are the schools I am so far considering, and I plan on visiting them.
Diamond Flight academy
Bartolini
BAA Training
Egnatia
STO Flight training Stolkholme
Are there any others I have missed which I should be considering? I am not including Oxford, L3 or FTE Jerez, due to costs.
I know there are several threads on schools, but I guess reputation and opinions are forever changing, I would also like to hear if people think one is worth going for even if it means waiting an additional 6 months for a place, such as Bartolini?
The other thing I am unsure of is this "Wings alliance" they have approved training providers... but I'm not sure how much use they would be, and if its worth sticking to only the schools they endorse... I would appreciate any opinion on them.
One other thing to add is... I don't fancy a "rushed course" as in I am not attracted to a school saying it only takes 8 weeks or whatever, I would rather the take a bit longer is my preference... but I guess the good schools need to get people through quickly.
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PelicanSquawk.
You have to consider what your living situation is.
And your every day expenses.
It all comes into play, as to where the best school for you would be.
Every situation is different.
No two people are the same.
I had a part-time high paying evening and week-end job, that allowed me the freedom to train when and where I wanted.
And a place to stay for free.
Without it, things would have been much different.
You are listed as London.
If you are North East London.
You may want to consider Stapleford.
If your South London, then FTA needs to be considered.
West London, then Airways.
You will pay more to do it from home, but may save in the long run.
But if you are a free agent.
Then I’d pack up the car and head for Eastern Europe.
Bartolini and Baltic are very good.
As is Diamond.
I’d stay away from Greece.
Scheduling seems to be the name of the game now.
I was thinking that if you booked up Bartolini for Oct 2019.
Could you go from zero to 175 hours and ATPL written passed in that time frame?
Maybe, maybe not.
Time waits for no man.
And I’m not waiting on any school.
If you already have a PPL and are working on your ATPLs, then Oct 19 isn’t going to work out.
You can over think a situation.
Life doesn’t go according to plan very often.
I’ve been unsure as to what exactly Wings Alliance is too.
You have to consider what your living situation is.
And your every day expenses.
It all comes into play, as to where the best school for you would be.
Every situation is different.
No two people are the same.
I had a part-time high paying evening and week-end job, that allowed me the freedom to train when and where I wanted.
And a place to stay for free.
Without it, things would have been much different.
You are listed as London.
If you are North East London.
You may want to consider Stapleford.
If your South London, then FTA needs to be considered.
West London, then Airways.
You will pay more to do it from home, but may save in the long run.
But if you are a free agent.
Then I’d pack up the car and head for Eastern Europe.
Bartolini and Baltic are very good.
As is Diamond.
I’d stay away from Greece.
Scheduling seems to be the name of the game now.
I was thinking that if you booked up Bartolini for Oct 2019.
Could you go from zero to 175 hours and ATPL written passed in that time frame?
Maybe, maybe not.
Time waits for no man.
And I’m not waiting on any school.
If you already have a PPL and are working on your ATPLs, then Oct 19 isn’t going to work out.
You can over think a situation.
Life doesn’t go according to plan very often.
I’ve been unsure as to what exactly Wings Alliance is too.
I've emailed all the schools, and I'll see what their responses are. Diamond seems fully booked also... Bartolini did say I could be on a waiting list, but I don't want to end up waiting until Oct 2019.
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You can’t always get what you want.
But you’ll find sometimes, you’ll get what you need.
You may find exactly what you want at home.
Sure a road trip would have been fun.
Save it for a A320 type rating.
Don’t e-mail.
Go visit the three local ones, SFC, FTA, Airways.
Also add BCFT to the list, and talk to the chief.
I bet you’ll know exactly where to go having spoken to all four.
Have you done your hour building?
Rudestuff had some spectacularly good advice on how to double and triple dip.
We all know that night should be combined with cross-country.
But I had never considered doing 50 hours under the hood before.
But you’ll find sometimes, you’ll get what you need.
You may find exactly what you want at home.
Sure a road trip would have been fun.
Save it for a A320 type rating.
Don’t e-mail.
Go visit the three local ones, SFC, FTA, Airways.
Also add BCFT to the list, and talk to the chief.
I bet you’ll know exactly where to go having spoken to all four.
Have you done your hour building?
Rudestuff had some spectacularly good advice on how to double and triple dip.
We all know that night should be combined with cross-country.
But I had never considered doing 50 hours under the hood before.
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Could someone be so kind as to give a ball park price for modular training zero hours I was hoping it could be done for £50k. Any insight would be hugely appreciated many thanks sf85
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1. Do bigger European airlines still consider pilots who went the modular route?
Definitely. Ryanair, Jet2 and Flybe to name a few.
2. Will airlines still consider me, even if I did 'fail' half of my ATPLs at first attempt all those years ago?
Good question, but I thought ATPL results 'expire' after a few years if you haven't finished the course? But to answer the question, it depends on the airline as some may be picky. I believe Ryanair allow 2 fails, but I am basing that on something I heard a few months ago. Note that ATPL fails are merely a form of reducing the CV pile size. A bad set of ATPL results does not mean that the candidate is a bad pilot as I've heard there's a lot of crap needed to be learnt as well as ambiguous exam questions.
I would never let that be a deciding factor as to whether or not to start training. If you are determined and have the passion then worry not, you will eventually be flying for a living. It may not be within a week, month or year after graduating but if you stay within aviation and don't give up then you will eventually find yourself in the RHS.
3. Are the theoretical elements possible through distance learning (e.g. ground school)?
Yes, e.g. BGS. Search around PPRune to find lots of people having done their ATPL while married with kids and working a full time job. A lot of them are also now flying.
4. Is modular the way to go in my situation? Any other route that can be done ‘part-time'?
Pretty sure most integrated schools are full time. So if you want to do it all part-time then modular would definitely be the way. With the current pilot forecast for the next 2 decades it seems like pilots will be in much greater demand. Some people have mentioned that there has been a decrease in demand over the past 12 months but it could be explained by the sudden supply of pilots from Monarch/Air Berlin.
5. What schools are recommended within easy reach of London (especially for the PPL)? I’m willing to travel up to 2 hours by train - no problem - so long as the school is reputable and my qualifications respected as I continue doing the licences/courses.
6. Any other input is much appreciated
I got my PPL a few years ago and starting my ATPL in summer after graduating from University. Would be happy to keep in touch with you or anyone else who reads this so feel free to shoot me a PM. We all have the same goal here.
Definitely. Ryanair, Jet2 and Flybe to name a few.
2. Will airlines still consider me, even if I did 'fail' half of my ATPLs at first attempt all those years ago?
Good question, but I thought ATPL results 'expire' after a few years if you haven't finished the course? But to answer the question, it depends on the airline as some may be picky. I believe Ryanair allow 2 fails, but I am basing that on something I heard a few months ago. Note that ATPL fails are merely a form of reducing the CV pile size. A bad set of ATPL results does not mean that the candidate is a bad pilot as I've heard there's a lot of crap needed to be learnt as well as ambiguous exam questions.
I would never let that be a deciding factor as to whether or not to start training. If you are determined and have the passion then worry not, you will eventually be flying for a living. It may not be within a week, month or year after graduating but if you stay within aviation and don't give up then you will eventually find yourself in the RHS.
3. Are the theoretical elements possible through distance learning (e.g. ground school)?
Yes, e.g. BGS. Search around PPRune to find lots of people having done their ATPL while married with kids and working a full time job. A lot of them are also now flying.
4. Is modular the way to go in my situation? Any other route that can be done ‘part-time'?
Pretty sure most integrated schools are full time. So if you want to do it all part-time then modular would definitely be the way. With the current pilot forecast for the next 2 decades it seems like pilots will be in much greater demand. Some people have mentioned that there has been a decrease in demand over the past 12 months but it could be explained by the sudden supply of pilots from Monarch/Air Berlin.
5. What schools are recommended within easy reach of London (especially for the PPL)? I’m willing to travel up to 2 hours by train - no problem - so long as the school is reputable and my qualifications respected as I continue doing the licences/courses.
6. Any other input is much appreciated
I got my PPL a few years ago and starting my ATPL in summer after graduating from University. Would be happy to keep in touch with you or anyone else who reads this so feel free to shoot me a PM. We all have the same goal here.
I'm going Uni this year, hoping to do PPL during 2-3 year of uni, and was wondering to complete my PPL earlier and leave it for a year or two before beginning my ATPL.. Did that affect what you've already learnt during your PPL as I assume ATPL would be a building block to the PPL or would u recommend doing all modular courses back to back, as I'm impatient to learn to fly asap. Thanks