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Old 20th Sep 2011, 10:36
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Could someone tell me how oxfords modular atpl theory and waypoint program are viewed by the airlines?

Theoretically speaking if I happen to do oxfords atpl full time and thereafter their waypoint program. Wouldnt this be considered the same quality as integrated? or am I being a bit too optimistic on my way of thinking?
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Old 3rd Oct 2011, 14:34
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I wonder from 0 to ATPL module system, is the following the correct route as what I understood?

PPL -> Multi CPL/IR -> MCC -> ATPL

My current location could not even complete PPL due to limited airspace so I am looking at country such as MY for PPL and the rest in NZ/AU. Or do every module in NZ/AU.

Any advise? pm me if posting sch name is not advisable.

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Old 3rd Oct 2011, 21:35
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Lowest cost 0 to fATPL in the UK

The following taken from a flight training price comparison web site Oct 2011

Best possible UK Flight Training Organisation prices for each module:
PPL (from targetaviation) 6982
Night Rating (from targetaviation) 820
100 Hours solo flight (including Landing fees fuel and vat) EGGP 7374.00
ATPL exams (from CATS) 999.00
CPL - 28 hr incl MEP Ravenair 6638.50
IR Instrument Rating Ravenair 9999.00
MCC course various 1750.00
Grand Total (for comparison purposes) ** 34,562.50

How much can you pay for the same deal?
* Costs taken off official company web sites / price lists including discounts and advertised special offers
BCFT Bournmouth Commercial Flight raining 43,724.03
Excludes: CAA exam fees CPL test fee, IR test fee CAA issue costs, PPL equip

Multiflight 37,950.00
Excludes: Medical, CPL test fee, IR Test Fee, CAA exam fees, CAA licence issue fees, Aircraft hire for tests, 170A fee, Landing and approach fees in UK, flights to and from USA, accommodation in USA, headset, meals in the USA, all training must be done in min hrs - Excludes the MCC even thought it is essential for fATPL.
PPL and hour build MUST be done in USA.

Flying Time Aviation 45,450.00
Excludes all tests CAA fees and a/c hire for tests, minimum hours only on all courses, medical

Atlantic Flight Training Ireland 51,346.00
Excludes, Flight test fees, flights to ireland, accommodation in ireland, Medical

Triple A Flying 31,500.00 Only for isolated PPL CPL and IR, excludes half of all you need, too much to list !

Aero's 23,00.00 Only for isolated PPL CPL and IR, excludes half of all your need for an fATPL

Flight Training Europe 71,000.00 Actual includes everything !
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Old 5th Oct 2011, 15:11
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Heavy Goods Vehicle (Cat C) drivers course: 5 days, 895, earn 18-20k/year

General Domestic Electrician's course: 17 days, 2,295 (+ tools & van), earn ~25-35k/year

General Domestic level 2 Plumbing course: 10 weeks, 4,795 (+ tools & van), earn ~30-40k/year

Level 3 Plumbing and Gas Engineer course: 20 weeks, 12,975 (+ tools & van), earn ~35-45k/year

Earnings, of course are rough average values - but you can live anywhere you like, be your own boss, work business hours & holidays (don't underestimate how much this means!), and earnings can be much higher running a successful business (and much lower with an unsuccessful one!).

CPL pilot, with ATPL subject passes (modular): 2-3 years, 40,000 (+ type rating), earn ~15-25k/year?

An employee for the rest of your life, forced to live where the airports are (very commonly in a foreign country), getting up at 3 am or home at 1 am, and never seeing a weekend or having a public holiday (like Christmas) off. Your license will be on the line every six months, and totally worthless in the event of any of a dozen common medical conditions.

It has to be said ...

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Old 13th Oct 2011, 13:34
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Has anyone looked at the waypoint programme at OAA (MECPL, IR and MCC)? roughly £28,000 but with accomodation on top. Need 150 hours, ppl and night rating and also atpl exams done but to me sounds like a good modular course at a well known school
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Old 14th Oct 2011, 10:08
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thanks

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This sounds crazy but me as a beginner who has never attained any training at zero knowledge about flight, do you think this school can accept me with my O, level education qualifications
 
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Mate unless you have the right to work in the EU it really isn't worth looking at any EU courses, they are much more expensive than else where. No airline unless you have some special qualification will sponsor you for a work permit.

Most schools will take you on with zero qualifications all they are interested in is getting the cash out of you.
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 15:21
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thanks for your concern. i will try my best before i clock twenty next year to get a sponsor to help me but i am deeply going mad with this..
that's why i need advice in these things.
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Old 18th Oct 2011, 13:56
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Do airlines love more Modular Pilot or Integrated Pilot?

Hi here,

I have just some considerations to share with the ppruners.

I met and discussed with the biggest academies, they all said: "in our integrated path you will be in the careers pool" Over here, is there somebody who was in front of this choice?
Are arilines rectruiting "modular" pilot? I a will be at 99% a module pilot due to money and job restrictions... but I am still asking to myself: do I risk to be rejected becouse I am not an integrated pilot?

Are there flight schools whose are truly considered high standard FTOs?


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Old 18th Oct 2011, 14:09
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There are just as many companys that won't look at you because your an intergrated pilot than there is that will only take intergrated.

The majority don't care either way.

The last 3 companys I worked for wouldn't touch them with a stick low hours unrated. And in that 5 year period they must have taken on about 20 first rating modular pilots and only 2 intergrated low hour but had bought the rating. Unfortunately one didn't complete the base check.
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There are just as many companys that won't look at you because your an intergrated pilot than there is that will only take intergrated.
Not in the world of the well known brands there aren't! By the way it is integrated there is only one r.
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hi again,

let's say, do serious airlines prefer modular one because they have chosen the "good way" to get trained?
For instance, lat's take Easyjet (not Ryanair because we well know the procedure): they always employ pilot trough CTC or OAA, and accord to the press actually, Easyjet is one of the company is recruiting. So my question is, how do I get in Easy avoiding this cast cages?

bye bye!
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Old 18th Oct 2011, 17:13
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It is cheaper, but the question I ask myself: will you get a job with it in the end? Because that's what it's all about: get a job and earn more than you invested.
Seeing that my local flight school asks 0,20 a second flying a Twin star I'm getting desperate and think about just forgetting it all
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Old 18th Oct 2011, 17:39
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I still ask to me:

Is cheaper OK 50k... Integrated is 80k or more. BUT: if with the first one I throw the money and with the second one maybe not.... this is the problem?

hey shekspeare where are you????
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Employment Statistics | Oxford Aviation Academy - OAA.com

They speak for themselves.

Apart from getting screwed for a brookfield contract and temp contract with easy. Both of which you can get access to with mod training. There isn't anything in it. And the plane deliverys will be ending soon so that life line to wannabies will dry up.

The other old favourit BMI isn't in a good position just now.

TC are going for contract summer pilots

So none of the well know brands are recruiting. Even BA are only going to take extras from CTC so if you want a chance at any extra spaces you would be mad going to any of the others.

And I have my doudts about whats going to happen in the EU next year with various things that will come through to shaft the airlines. If my expectations do occur the BA cadets will be doing a bit of trolly dollying before flying the line.

So all thats going to be left is the unknown brands which you will have no advantage with.
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Old 19th Oct 2011, 07:58
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what about "modular low hours pilots"

Yes, I am still thinking that is a very difficult choice.

I always said: "let's try to get a licence and then I will see". But now I am pretty sure I will be in a big number of dreamer people that have tried the same strategy and did not find yet a true employment.

For instance: over here: (specially in this thread) are there modular pilots who got a job in airline with only 200hours??? Any real experience?

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nobody can really answer to my question?
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For instance: over here: (specially in this thread) are there modular pilots who got a job in airline with only 200hours??? Any real experience?
I will answer to you. do you mind?

do you think an airline will hire you if you come from integrated, or do you think you will pay more if you go integrated?.



here do you see people getting hired with 200h? where do you see people getting hired with 20'000hours integrated or not?
do you see advertisement in the flying mag calling for low hours integrated pilots??? no!


actually, airlines don't need pilots except to make you believe to join a flight school and spend all your cash in one of their TRTOs.

the truth is one you have paid your cash in their non return trap , you can bet contract will change and you have no recourse to leave or pay more money.

see flight school getting closed?, example: cabair, pay more or we will close the school! why the hell they choose the DA40-42 where nobody can find spare parts?

or look at BA who still can not decide since months to run or not a cadet training and people talking and talking,...and getting nothing at the end, just some promess...

and finally look at Greece and Italy, and USA who have trillion of debt, do you thing airlines will start to hire today or tomorrow?

go integrated if you want, i know where you will finish, certainly not on the right seat of an airbus 320.

if you are here on pprune, it s because millions of pilots can not find a job...if there were jobs everywhere, this site would not exist as pilot would not find the time to write comments here.

this profession is dead since long time, I bet in 3 years, you will ask yourself why you chose this profession. You will probably finish in debt and no way to pay back...

don't be a dreamer, come back to earth, and learn a proper job where yo can make real money!
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 01:29
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go integrated if you want, i know where you will finish, certainly not on the right seat of an airbus 320.
Funny that, seeing as 21 CTC cadets have just been placed with Qatar Airways, 8 have been pre-selected for Monarch for starting in Summer 2013, and around 8 a week are currently starting type rating for easyJet.
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CTC is a different kettle of fish to the others. And for years it was a modular course.

The main reason for them going Integrated was that they can throw you out the door with 170 hours instead of 200 thus getting an additional 3000 quid plus profit out of each student.
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