Professional Flight Training - IR CPL MEP

[rhea]

I’m interested in training here - what’s the average pass rate and any feedback good or bad please?

thanks

[Portal380]

I don't know their rating score but by looking at their price it's better be very good training!!!

[GearDownFlaps]

Phone the CAA test centre at Bournemouth and ask them , then go to PAT and sign up there

[PAPI-74]

Yep - I got a first time pass CPL and IR with PAT.

[pez1]

I believe CPL/IR pass marks are listed on their website, Professional Air Training: Professional flight training school

[BillieBob]

I understand that the CAA keeps a record of first time pass rates of all approved training organisations. If they do, are they not obliged to release that information on a request under the freedom of information act?

[mrwilko]

PAT Professional Air Training, and PFT Professional Flight Training are two separate schools, both operating at Bournemouth, both using Duchess for IR.
PFT operate Arrow or Duchess for CPL and PAT use Duchess or Beech Sierra. both have their own FNPT2
PM me for further details.

[rhea]

Thanks guys for all your responses

I will be looking at both schools – but really wanted feedback from previous students – on how they found there training and how much will I need to budget above the minimum hours course – and their experiences they have had while training

@papi-74 – how long ago did you do your training
@mrwilco – can you advise on pass rates at both schools

thanks

[GIZZAJOB]

PAT have the best results at Bournemouth this is a fact , you dont need freedom of information act just walk to the test centre and ask a direct question .
PFT's performance is not great but is probably better than cabair despite cabair students having the biggest gold wings

[rhea]

I’ve have just found out that PFT has folded as a company! is any of this true!!!!! can the students there shed any more light on this as a fact?

thanks

[Whirlygig]

I’ve have just found out that PFT has folded as a company! is any of this true!!!!!

Not according to Companies House.

Cheers

Whirls

[r1flyguy35]

PFT

I trained at PFT

One aircraft, that is all they have, a BE 76, they do have a FNPT2 based on the BE76 which is highly recommended and makes the conversion over to flying the aircraft a very easy transition

I found them friendly and it also helped being in the same location as European, who do the 737-200 MCC,

All in all they did turn out to be very expensive but helpful if nothing else, the limited aircraft is an issue and the Arrow is not an aircraft they have, the loan it off someone else when required.

[12bpilot]

Yes the school has closed!!!

Students were told on Monday and kicked out by the afternoon some are owed large sums of money!!

Lots were let down in terms of not getting training completed some right at the end of the IR training.

And to add insult to injury it seems the simulator is in a different company name and he is now offering training to CTC students!!!

[r1flyguy35]

wouldn't have put it past him!

Mike was very money orientated! like i said the plane they had was loaned so had no real assets, the room they breifed in was rented off European, as is the floor space where the FNPT2 is based. that was hie only real outlay... the licence for the the Sim

[matty31]

Yeah have to agree very money orientated although what I can't work out is what happened to all the money??

As whirls says the school is still listed with companies house as operating!! which I don't understand as large amounts of money are owed!!!

I have also heard a rumour that its for sale can't imagine why anyone would buy it though as it has no assets and the name can't be worth much now.

Just wanted to point out that in my opinion the instructors are not to blame in any way and always went above and beyond esp Cliff and Simon.

I now have to work out where on the field to finish my training looking like PAT and back with Mr Rand

Also I'm very interested to hear from other former PFT students if and by how much they went over the stated course cost as there seems to be a recurring theme with ex PFT students I have spoken to regarding quoted price and actual price PM me if your shy

[rhea]

No way!!!!! – This sounds like a nightmare!!

So who is this mike! I take it he owns PFT? If it’s the same person who I think it is, I did meet him at the FLYER show recently! a very smooth talker!!, and from the way he spoke he did say that the training was the best at Bournemouth!! And that’s why the price of the course was a little more than the others at EGHH.

But if he’s done this to you guys, how is the CAA letting him get away with this is or is this not covered by the CAA!!! Or does the CAA not get evolved in these sorts of matters!! can they HELPor can anyone...

@ matty 31 – how did you cope with the level of training how far have you got and how long until you to finish!!! Was it up to par or!!! Have you found it difficult to cope with – and did you go over hours by a few hours or lots!!

Thanks

[matty31]

Rhea I found the training with the flight instructors to be good, but the sim training was in hindsight very poor with the basics not being taught correctly this isn't just my opinion but also that of other students and instructors.

Cliff the ex CFI is now at PAT and is well respected on the airfield both by other instructors and the CAA examiners so I will most likely go and finish my training there.

Other students aren't so lucky and are owed large sums of money and have had to put flight training on hold indefinitely!!!

The thing with PFT is that although there website claims they have 5 planes they in fact only have 1 full time plane and that is hired they also advertise a 2:1 ratio of student to instructor and this was never evident in the time I was there.

if you need any further advice pls pm me.

Cheers

Matty

[The Old Fat One]

chaps,

I know nothing whatsoever about this company, but it is common practice in the business world to hold a company in one name and trade it as something different. Letting the hold company go bust and then continuing to trade the original (or something similar) under "new ownership" is known in my neck of the woods as "flipping" the business.

It is entirely legal and it happens every day in all sorts of ways. My gym for example has just been flipped and is now called something else, despite the fact that everything, including the owner, has stayed the same.

Like I said, I have no idea if that is the case with your school, but it might offer an explanation.

Kind of annoying to see the people with your money disappear, only to reappear next day, without you money anymore - it happened to me twice in in two weeks in my previous business.

Caveat Emptor

[matty31]

I'm interested to know if there is any action we the students can take to recover money owing etc??

Is there somewhere we can get some advice about this?

I was under the impression that once a school had closed its doors and was unable to pay its debts then it must cease trading or be committing fraud?

As you can see I am no legal expert....

[The Old Fat One]

I'm interested to know if there is any action we the students can take to recover money owing etc??

Find out who the administrator is and register yourself as a creditor. You will then have a legal right to be kept in touch with the winding up of the company and invitations to meetings etc.

You may not get much (any) money back, but it is an education finding out about the murky world of commerce. And you might get the opportunity to vent your spleen at a meeting or two.