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Hi All,
Thinking of doing an IR with Ravenair at Liverpool, has anyone got any up to date feedback on them? are you doing your CPL/IR at the moment and wouldn't mind commenting..
Thinking of doing an IR with Ravenair at Liverpool, has anyone got any up to date feedback on them? are you doing your CPL/IR at the moment and wouldn't mind commenting..
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the ac are old, but they use aztecs. you couldnt wish for a better plane to do the IR on, loads of power (will climb properly on one engine unlike the seneca!) very very stable, and gives an excellent platform to work from (again unlike the seneca!)
craig has left since i was involved with them, but i think there is a new guy doing cpl/ir's down there now. have you considered investing the petrol to go have a look around?
craig has left since i was involved with them, but i think there is a new guy doing cpl/ir's down there now. have you considered investing the petrol to go have a look around?
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Go to Humberside, the tenner each way on fuel will soon be saved......plenty of commercial traffic at LPL so a few mins delay here and there soon adds up at £250-300 per hour, same at Leeds. Spending 40 mins in the orbit, late down wind, with ongoing promises of being next, is not funny at CPL/IR rates! Depth and quality of instruction will help you in the long run too!
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Call JD Aviation, based at EGCC, in Oceansky building. Well equiped Seneca and Arrow for training. Good pass rates and close to home.
Ravenair use Seneca's for training not Aztec's
Ravenair use Seneca's for training not Aztec's
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With your user name I'm surprised you didn't think of JD Aviation as suggested by mr z. Both the PA28R-201T and PA34-200T are excellent aeroplanes with new engines and first rate avionics fit and, unlike adverse-bumps', this Seneca will climb on one.
If you are going down the commercial route it is not a bad idea to go somewhere which has significant amounts of commercial traffic so that you get used to mixing it with the big stuff that you want to fly, and become accustomed to the idea of getting in and out with time constraints, vortex issues, Standard Instrument Departures and, yes, holding. In the latter stages of the IR you will be using SIDs, and occasionally STARs on IFR plans so there will be minimal delays outbound/inbound anyway. EGCC has excellent ATC and they are well used to fitting JDA's flights in with the commercial traffic.
JD's pricing method is based on 10 minutes before airborne to 5 minutes after landing so you don't get penalised for departure delays. If you are VFR inbound, which isn't usually a problem anyway, again delays are minimised by an agreed procedure for EGCC based aircraft using the departure runway (when in dual runway operations).
I'm doing CPL and IR there at the moment on a part time basis. I presume that I can receive PM's so feel free to get in touch if you want more info.
With your user name I'm surprised you didn't think of JD Aviation as suggested by mr z. Both the PA28R-201T and PA34-200T are excellent aeroplanes with new engines and first rate avionics fit and, unlike adverse-bumps', this Seneca will climb on one.
If you are going down the commercial route it is not a bad idea to go somewhere which has significant amounts of commercial traffic so that you get used to mixing it with the big stuff that you want to fly, and become accustomed to the idea of getting in and out with time constraints, vortex issues, Standard Instrument Departures and, yes, holding. In the latter stages of the IR you will be using SIDs, and occasionally STARs on IFR plans so there will be minimal delays outbound/inbound anyway. EGCC has excellent ATC and they are well used to fitting JDA's flights in with the commercial traffic.
JD's pricing method is based on 10 minutes before airborne to 5 minutes after landing so you don't get penalised for departure delays. If you are VFR inbound, which isn't usually a problem anyway, again delays are minimised by an agreed procedure for EGCC based aircraft using the departure runway (when in dual runway operations).
I'm doing CPL and IR there at the moment on a part time basis. I presume that I can receive PM's so feel free to get in touch if you want more info.
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110% JDAviation. I recently finished my CPL there and currently just about to finish my IR training. The experience of getting to fly out of Manchester is a huge confidence boost, if you can fly in and out of Manchester you can go anywhere. The training is without a shadow of a doubt the best in the country, the instructor's are very passionate about there flying and want to make sure you become a first class pilot.
If I can help you further feel free to email me [email protected]
If I can help you further feel free to email me [email protected]
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GD ...........if you have completed both commercial courses at the same school, how do you judge its superior quality over the other schools in the country?
All schools have good and bad points, some will suit better than others.
Dont choose a school just because the people seem nice, they have millions of hours of instruction, glossy advertising, the school base is near shiny jets or tout gleaming pass rates.
If you are self sponsored, whether by loans, savings, current earnings or have robbed a bank, you have to treat all stages of your training as a serious expense in setting up your small business..........becoming a commercial pilot! If you do not fully understand or appreciate that you are setting yourself up in business then stop and have a good, long, honest and realistic think about what you are doing.
So........when starting a business would you shortlist your major suppliers on the basis of the above mentioned qualities or because your mate had a good time there........no! In a winning business the boss will be on the ball and ruthless....particularly with his suppliers. Will he/she have just one supplier? probably not.............again most great businesses will have several, and more in the shadows. Gets you the best product at the best price.......real value for money...........
Before the old 'airlines prefer one integrated training provider ' banter starts, it really does not matter. In fact once you do start to fly commercially, being able to demonstrate varied knowledge, methods and experience will be far more use to you.
In reality, do you think the painful overload and fear written across your face as you attempt your first,true winter approach in gusty winds and snow, into a small north European destination, is going to be any different as a result of your basic training route?
Be real tough on yourself and your trainers, dont bury either of your weaknesses...........as, when training is complete, (& opening investment spent) you will need to open your doors, find a customer and start trading, ..............thats when the work really starts!
Hundreds of relatively little new shops around with only a few big customers!
Spend wisely!!!!!!!!!!
All schools have good and bad points, some will suit better than others.
Dont choose a school just because the people seem nice, they have millions of hours of instruction, glossy advertising, the school base is near shiny jets or tout gleaming pass rates.
If you are self sponsored, whether by loans, savings, current earnings or have robbed a bank, you have to treat all stages of your training as a serious expense in setting up your small business..........becoming a commercial pilot! If you do not fully understand or appreciate that you are setting yourself up in business then stop and have a good, long, honest and realistic think about what you are doing.
So........when starting a business would you shortlist your major suppliers on the basis of the above mentioned qualities or because your mate had a good time there........no! In a winning business the boss will be on the ball and ruthless....particularly with his suppliers. Will he/she have just one supplier? probably not.............again most great businesses will have several, and more in the shadows. Gets you the best product at the best price.......real value for money...........
Before the old 'airlines prefer one integrated training provider ' banter starts, it really does not matter. In fact once you do start to fly commercially, being able to demonstrate varied knowledge, methods and experience will be far more use to you.
In reality, do you think the painful overload and fear written across your face as you attempt your first,true winter approach in gusty winds and snow, into a small north European destination, is going to be any different as a result of your basic training route?
Be real tough on yourself and your trainers, dont bury either of your weaknesses...........as, when training is complete, (& opening investment spent) you will need to open your doors, find a customer and start trading, ..............thats when the work really starts!
Hundreds of relatively little new shops around with only a few big customers!
Spend wisely!!!!!!!!!!
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I am judging superior quality over that of another school. I am myself 26 and run 2 successful businesses and know what its like to be in business. I am just stating there approach to getting the student through something they are paying for. Upon finishing my ATPL'S I did my hour building and went onto JD. When I started my CPL I realised how little I actually knew about flying. However, after doing my CPL and nearly completing my IR I now feel ready and confident to operate a commercial multi engine aircraft.
I did not pick the school because as you say the people are nice, millions of hours teaching and shiny jets............. I picked them because of the reputation and it has paid off. I feel confident with my flying and that was my aim.... goal achieved.
The instructors are retired airline pilots, some current airline pilots and simply instruct because they have a passion for instructing and are good at it. I take my hat off to JD aviation, because im ready to take my winter and gusty approach and I have spent wisely.
I did not pick the school because as you say the people are nice, millions of hours teaching and shiny jets............. I picked them because of the reputation and it has paid off. I feel confident with my flying and that was my aim.... goal achieved.
The instructors are retired airline pilots, some current airline pilots and simply instruct because they have a passion for instructing and are good at it. I take my hat off to JD aviation, because im ready to take my winter and gusty approach and I have spent wisely.
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JD............my heads-up post was directed at the masses 'preparing' to spend their money....... as previously read and noted you have already spent yours!
Judging by the number of 'I's in your three paragraph reply it would seem you took the information rather personally.....sorry but you will have to share it...... From life experience I dont compose lengthy post's of direct advice to individuals. In a ruthless,struggling industry matters can change within a 'few minutes', hence direct personal advice becomes obsolete! Having run two successful businesses, you will already know this..........
Good Luck to all.
Judging by the number of 'I's in your three paragraph reply it would seem you took the information rather personally.....sorry but you will have to share it...... From life experience I dont compose lengthy post's of direct advice to individuals. In a ruthless,struggling industry matters can change within a 'few minutes', hence direct personal advice becomes obsolete! Having run two successful businesses, you will already know this..........
Good Luck to all.
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Ive flown air taxi for long enough to know that the seneca wont climb properly on one engine, on a hot day or at MTOW it simply wont go up (or if it does you will struggle at 1/200ft a min) even the POF says it probably wont climb on one engine and if you read the perf section it says it will maintain a constant rate of DECENT on one engine!
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Between JD02FLY and jono1978 there seems to be a fair bit of water testing going on as reference to the newly started multiflight thread would suggest. At least that should please avado, whose advice is being followed.
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Hi
I am based at Darwen, Lancs and now looking forward to start with my CPL soon…It’s a difficult choice between JD and Ravenair…Having gone thru the above posts, it appears that both have pluses and negatives but somehow I have an inclination towards JD ! Can anyone who recently did CPL from JD, give some input about the availability of aircrafts, instructors , standard of training etc…I will be flying on weekends only as I am doing a full time job….Thanx in advance..
I am based at Darwen, Lancs and now looking forward to start with my CPL soon…It’s a difficult choice between JD and Ravenair…Having gone thru the above posts, it appears that both have pluses and negatives but somehow I have an inclination towards JD ! Can anyone who recently did CPL from JD, give some input about the availability of aircrafts, instructors , standard of training etc…I will be flying on weekends only as I am doing a full time job….Thanx in advance..
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Run by a top retired airline captain.
Good connections in the industry.
High grade training, at least from the students that i have spoken too.
There will always be detractors with any establishment.
If your in the aircraft grouping like me have you talked to craig about the IR at Blackpool with his TRTO.
Run by a top retired airline captain.
Good connections in the industry.
High grade training, at least from the students that i have spoken too.
There will always be detractors with any establishment.
If your in the aircraft grouping like me have you talked to craig about the IR at Blackpool with his TRTO.
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Hi Poose,
Notice you have had some experience of ravenair and would be grateful of some honest feedback. It seems they have a couple of posts on here that are not too inspiring and i am looking for somewhere to do my cpl and IR. THANKS.
Notice you have had some experience of ravenair and would be grateful of some honest feedback. It seems they have a couple of posts on here that are not too inspiring and i am looking for somewhere to do my cpl and IR. THANKS.
