Growing Evidence That The Upturn Is Upon Us
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Dude... you forgot to remind everyone about the necessity to take out secured loans on all these Type Ratings!
The banking execs need their bonuses after all and god knows how they're going to live with the extra taxation now. Poor wee things...
The banking execs need their bonuses after all and god knows how they're going to live with the extra taxation now. Poor wee things...
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Things will be much better next year.
In 2010 the 'retirement bulge' will finally come to fruition and, as long as folks have bought 500 hours Line Training, they will be able to pick up well paid jet jobs.
It's lucky that Eagle Jet, ATP, et al are able to provide this highly valuable service.
In 2010 the 'retirement bulge' will finally come to fruition and, as long as folks have bought 500 hours Line Training, they will be able to pick up well paid jet jobs.
It's lucky that Eagle Jet, ATP, et al are able to provide this highly valuable service.
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Is that CTC's & OTA's line on how things are going to be great from 2010 onwards 
Wailt until the UK loses its triple AAA in 2010.....
Some afternoon reading for those who have any interest in such things.
Schofield UK AAA
Wailt until the UK loses its triple AAA in 2010.....
Some afternoon reading for those who have any interest in such things.
Schofield UK AAA
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I'm training at the minute but with the intention of being finished early 2013 and not having any debt to worry about with money left to pay for a type rating but 2010 might be a bit soon taking everything into account the industry has thrown at us so far and more expected!!
I'm training at the minute but with the intention of being finished early 2013 and not having any debt to worry about with money left to pay for a type rating but 2010 might be a bit soon taking everything into account the industry has thrown at us so far and more expected!!
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I couldn't agree with you more.
Remember CAE in Amsterdam and SAS academy in Sweden also provide a highly valuable service in conjunction with an airline based in Stansted called Ryan Air.
If it weren't for companies such these with a caring approach to aviation this industry would be in a complete mess.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Remember CAE in Amsterdam and SAS academy in Sweden also provide a highly valuable service in conjunction with an airline based in Stansted called Ryan Air.
If it weren't for companies such these with a caring approach to aviation this industry would be in a complete mess.
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The wise thing to do would be to have 2 to 5 other career options - or jobs - in mind. Eggs in one basket and all that.
With regards to the UK Forces - some tough cutbacks are on the way including mooted "redundancies" - probably through recruitment freeze, natural wastage along with, in the RAF's case losing one or more airbases and aircraft types. And the Navy's carriers are still not commissioned yet!
The Army are recruiting strongly however - I do not know how close they are to reaching maximum this FY.
Good luck!
With regards to the UK Forces - some tough cutbacks are on the way including mooted "redundancies" - probably through recruitment freeze, natural wastage along with, in the RAF's case losing one or more airbases and aircraft types. And the Navy's carriers are still not commissioned yet!
The Army are recruiting strongly however - I do not know how close they are to reaching maximum this FY.
Good luck!
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NetJets Cuts 90% Of Hawker Jet Orders.
http://www.hawkerbeechcraft.com/incl....aspx?id=12032
Still deflating
http://www.hawkerbeechcraft.com/incl....aspx?id=12032
Still deflating
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And another airline teeters on the edge, look out for news on Thursday afternoon. Why is it always the Boeing operators. Its gone way beyond co-incidence.
Thoughts go out to all involved.
Thoughts go out to all involved.
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Just in from BBC News
Scotland's biggest airline, Flyglobespan, has been placed in administration.
A statement is expected soon from PricewaterhouseCoopers, (PWC) which has been appointed as administrator.
The move follows attempts to find a new investor for the Edinburgh-based airline, which employs 600 staff
Scotland's biggest airline, Flyglobespan, has been placed in administration.
A statement is expected soon from PricewaterhouseCoopers, (PWC) which has been appointed as administrator.
The move follows attempts to find a new investor for the Edinburgh-based airline, which employs 600 staff
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awful news, for employees, passengers and wannabes alike.
Take heed wannabes, dont even think about training now, other airlines will follow suit, I imagine cash is at its lowest during winter months, illiquidity is like a bullet to the head and i am sure a few more scalps will follow.
How many pilots were at globespan? 100ish?
Take heed wannabes, dont even think about training now, other airlines will follow suit, I imagine cash is at its lowest during winter months, illiquidity is like a bullet to the head and i am sure a few more scalps will follow.
How many pilots were at globespan? 100ish?
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maybe even Ryan are slowing down...
BBC News - Ryanair pulls out of Boeing deal for 200 aircraft
looks like the potenial source of lots of new FO jobs may also dry up...or could just be a ploy by old pikey to get boeing back to the table
looks like the potenial source of lots of new FO jobs may also dry up...or could just be a ploy by old pikey to get boeing back to the table
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In relation to the above story:
Sir Stelios said yesterday: “I’m delighted that Michael O’Leary now accepts what I’ve been saying for over a year — the era of endless fast growth and ever larger aircraft fleet is near its end.”
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Well to be fair he has been trying to blow Sir Stelios out of the water pretty much where ever he goes. A prime example being East Mids. MOL has been bringing Sir Stelios down to his level( in relation to cost cutting) for a long long time. Dont get me wrong, an expression springs to mind when I think about MOL "live by the sword die by the sword"
There has been few winners and a lot of losers in this recession. As regards the head to head between MOL and Sir Stelios so far? Well you could probably guess who my money would be on. But then again Im not really a betting person, apart from the gamble I took to join FR, I havent lost out just yet. But who knows? One thing is for certain, NO one is bullet proof in these very hard times.
There has been few winners and a lot of losers in this recession. As regards the head to head between MOL and Sir Stelios so far? Well you could probably guess who my money would be on. But then again Im not really a betting person, apart from the gamble I took to join FR, I havent lost out just yet. But who knows? One thing is for certain, NO one is bullet proof in these very hard times.
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Not so. Ryanair still are contracted to take 112 737-800 from Boeing during the next three years.
From their press release:
Ryanair, today (Fri 18th Dec 09) confirmed that its quarterly Board meeting yesterday determined that its negotiations with Boeing for an order of up to 200 new B737-800 series aircraft for delivery during the period 2013-2016 cannot be successfully concluded prior to the end of the calendar year and accordingly the Board of Ryanair have confirmed that its negotiations with Boeing have terminated unsuccessfully.
Ryanair confirmed that the breakdown of these negotiations will not effect its plans to take delivery of 112 B737-800 aircraft during the next 3 calendar years 2010 (48), 2011 (37) and 2012 (27), which will sustain Ryanair's strong traffic growth over the medium term. Ryanair will now bring forward plans to significantly reduce growth and capital expenditures, in order to maximise cash balances for distribution to shareholders during the period 2012-2015.
I'm sure it's all just posturing from MoL.
From their press release:
Ryanair, today (Fri 18th Dec 09) confirmed that its quarterly Board meeting yesterday determined that its negotiations with Boeing for an order of up to 200 new B737-800 series aircraft for delivery during the period 2013-2016 cannot be successfully concluded prior to the end of the calendar year and accordingly the Board of Ryanair have confirmed that its negotiations with Boeing have terminated unsuccessfully.
Ryanair confirmed that the breakdown of these negotiations will not effect its plans to take delivery of 112 B737-800 aircraft during the next 3 calendar years 2010 (48), 2011 (37) and 2012 (27), which will sustain Ryanair's strong traffic growth over the medium term. Ryanair will now bring forward plans to significantly reduce growth and capital expenditures, in order to maximise cash balances for distribution to shareholders during the period 2012-2015.
I'm sure it's all just posturing from MoL.
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The end of the first phase ?
Was the end of the first phase marked by a temporary boom in financial markets around the World, flush with cash from QE and what appeared to many to be the "exit" of most major economies from recession? Or have I put my "beer specs" on the wrong way round ?
There are no jobs.
None.
At all.
For the next 4 years.
I promise you.
Even then the job will be poorly paid and demanding.
If you didn't pay £33k to be in the role you are doing well.
WWW
its over
None.
At all.
For the next 4 years.
I promise you.
Even then the job will be poorly paid and demanding.
If you didn't pay £33k to be in the role you are doing well.
WWW
its over
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Thanks for the vote of confidence, what about people retiring, new airlines forming etc, agreed times are tough, but 4 years?
I know people who have had interviews in the past few weeks,
What about flight instructing?
Sorry if i sound like a miserable old
,
But its hard when im forking out all this money and people tell you its not worth it, belive me it is,
Before this i was scaffolding 7 days a week to support my fiancee and baby, saving to do my training, hard graft 12 hours a day, flying is a godsend, You say the wages are crap, maybe true, but i can
guarantee you this now, if you was throwing tube about all day in freezing cold temps, i would gladly sit in a flight deck for 20-25k a year.
or even wait for my chance, but i promise this, there a whole world out there, one day ill get the job.
I know people who have had interviews in the past few weeks,
What about flight instructing?
Sorry if i sound like a miserable old
,But its hard when im forking out all this money and people tell you its not worth it, belive me it is,
Before this i was scaffolding 7 days a week to support my fiancee and baby, saving to do my training, hard graft 12 hours a day, flying is a godsend, You say the wages are crap, maybe true, but i can
guarantee you this now, if you was throwing tube about all day in freezing cold temps, i would gladly sit in a flight deck for 20-25k a year.
or even wait for my chance, but i promise this, there a whole world out there, one day ill get the job.
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flyvirgin, don't beat yourself up too much mate...
... it's gone 11 pm, 'certain' people are no doubt on their poison by now. incidentally, these same 'certain people' (or rather certain 'person'), was predicting many more airlines to go boom this winter. i believe the exact phrase used was 'this winters gonna be a bloodbath' or similar... and is it? reeeeeally? haha, yeah times are heard, but a bloodbath? naah, you wusses!
come on mate, chin up. some time in the next few years will be a recruiter sat on the other side of a desk to you who still understands flying and where it comes from. they're hard to come by, but i left FR three years ago because i had the good fortune to be interviewed by somebody just like that. i shan't divulge too much, but let's just say your past sounds somewhat familiar to me...
it's not over.
... it's gone 11 pm, 'certain' people are no doubt on their poison by now. incidentally, these same 'certain people' (or rather certain 'person'), was predicting many more airlines to go boom this winter. i believe the exact phrase used was 'this winters gonna be a bloodbath' or similar... and is it? reeeeeally? haha, yeah times are heard, but a bloodbath? naah, you wusses!
come on mate, chin up. some time in the next few years will be a recruiter sat on the other side of a desk to you who still understands flying and where it comes from. they're hard to come by, but i left FR three years ago because i had the good fortune to be interviewed by somebody just like that. i shan't divulge too much, but let's just say your past sounds somewhat familiar to me...
it's not over.
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interviews don't mean there are jobs.
you just need to look what's going on in the world, and in the USA to get a good idea what will be the future. What will be YOUR future.
look at JAL and BA. these 2 companies may not see 2011.
You will see plenty of pilots out of jobs.
Believe guys who are in this market since years (like WWW)...
this profession is dead, and anyone (like me) who have been trained, we won't get anything in return except a nice shiny blue book.Who is interested by a 250h pilot???
I Lost my money!
you just need to look what's going on in the world, and in the USA to get a good idea what will be the future. What will be YOUR future.
look at JAL and BA. these 2 companies may not see 2011.
You will see plenty of pilots out of jobs.
Believe guys who are in this market since years (like WWW)...
this profession is dead, and anyone (like me) who have been trained, we won't get anything in return except a nice shiny blue book.Who is interested by a 250h pilot???
I Lost my money!
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I didn't say they were getting jobs! i said they were getting interviews, correct they are not job offers but it's a start dont you agree,
All im saying that there are airlines out there that are willing to take a 250hr pilot on,
also i know that some of the major airlines some in the middle east and asia are taking pilots on, (pilots who have 1500hr+).
The furture looks bleak for now, but why beat yourself up, stay positive and it will happen, it's got to happen.
All im saying that there are airlines out there that are willing to take a 250hr pilot on,
also i know that some of the major airlines some in the middle east and asia are taking pilots on, (pilots who have 1500hr+).
The furture looks bleak for now, but why beat yourself up, stay positive and it will happen, it's got to happen.