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Old 11th Apr 2009, 17:03
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Nuclear-powered passenger aircraft 'to transport millions' says expert

Nuclear-powered aircraft may sound like a concept from Thunderbirds, but they will be transporting millions of passengers around the world later this century, the leader of a Government-funded project to reduce environmental damage from aviation believes.
The consolation of sitting a few yards from a nuclear reactor will be non-stop flights from London to Australia or New Zealand, because the aircraft will no longer need to land to refuel. The flights will also produce no carbon emissions and therefore make no contribution to global warming.
Nuclear-powered passenger aircraft 'to transport millions' says expert - Times Online

Someone please tell them that airplanes crash! I personally think it's a ludicrous idea
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Old 11th Apr 2009, 20:26
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The russians nearly did it in the 50's, it would be easily possible now. But I agree, crash's would be messy and they'd be like Terrorist magnets.

Soviet Experimentation with Nuclear Powered Bombers
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Old 12th Apr 2009, 15:51
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Shouldi really start now.

im currently doing my a-levels finishing my first year......i really want to start next september and join oaa but the main problem is would i find a job in 2012 thats the million pound question for me and i need some answers...
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How long is a piece of string??

I think your probably looking for someone that can predict the future but unfortunately you won't find any on here. Well some people might think they can predict the future but its all guess work.

My "advise" for you would be make sure you have another career to fall back on if you weren't to get a job straight out of flight school.

I plan to start my ATPL ab-initio towards the end of the year. At the end of this if I don't get a job straight away I can walk back into my old career which is working in a school.

Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
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i would have thought that your main problem would be to find the Ł85k needed to train @ OAA
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Dear BA038

An old fart writes...

I have been in this business, on the management side, for all my working life, which is comfortably the majority of my life. The whole industry is VERY cyclical, and I have bad news for you. You want to join on the down swing. Not your fault, not mine, not anyone else's, just a fact. Sh1t happens. My advice - as a non-ATPL, but someone who employs (f)ATPLs - is the same as my learned friends on here - go and do something else for a bit.

would i find a job in 2012 thats the million pound question for me
As someone involved in start ups this is NOT a figurative question - for me, I would write "that's the tens of millions of pounds question".

and i need some answers
Don't we all? I would love to set a start date for my start up. Nothing would give me more pleasure. I would love to get pilots and cabin crew up and training, and being paid, but guess what? I have no idea. I would guess most of us on here from the most pessimistic to the most optimistic would say that the industry is going downhill, certainly in the UK, probably in Europe, and is likely to carry on that way for 2009. 2010? Dunno. Optimists and pessimists may argue there. 2011? Ditto. 2012? Well, I would like to think the optimists are right at about this time, but I am not putting my pension on it. The TwinAisle guess, based on years of experience and cynicism is:

2009 - go back to bed. If you are in the industry, I really hope you stay in it. If you are a new starter, best of British...

2010 - further failures in Jan/Feb, as lower revenues kill off the weaklings. Good people, people who would have found jobs by coughing in the good years, start to get culled. Airline consolidation gains pace.

2011 - Signs of life in the wider economy. Unemployment starts to fall in the general economy, capacity shortfalls start to appear, yields start to rise.

2012 - Growth at last. Start ups starting to appear. New fleet orders. Pilot unemployment starts to ease.

Hope I am wrong, but....

TA, miserable git. On the same wavelength as WWW, hoping we are both wrong, but...
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cheers TA i found that helpful The bods in management at the airline i work for are saying the same thing
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That timetine sort of ties in with my plans to start around this time next year....perhaps intergrated....perhaps not.
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Old 13th Apr 2009, 09:32
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Someone please tell them that airplanes crash! I personally think it's a ludicrous idea
I personally think you live in the dark ages, there have been loads of experiments of crashing Phantom fighter jets, speeding trains etc into nuclear caskets with no resulting breach of integrity. The idea gets a thumbs up from me
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nuclear powered aircraft..... zero chance of it happening in the next 30 years. Forget about it.
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Old 13th Apr 2009, 11:07
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I personally think you live in the dark ages
Suggesting that anybody that is against nuclear powered aircraft is living in the dark ages is ridiculous and dare i suggest stupid. Infact i'd go further in saying that anyone thinking that this type of propulsion is the future is living in the dark ages!

Can you imagine if you had a leak from this type of engine? On a transatlantic trip you woud irradiate everything from the UK and back! (I don't care about the island the yanks live on but i do care about us!)
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I personally think you live in the dark ages
Suggesting that anybody that is against nuclear powered aircraft is living in the dark ages is ridiculous and dare i suggest stupid. Infact i'd go further in saying that anyone thinking that this type of propulsion is the future is living in the dark ages!

Can you imagine if you had a leak from this type of engine? On a transatlantic trip you woud irradiate everything from the UK and back! (I don't care about the island the yanks live on but i do care about us!)

This is the way forward:

Hydrogen to fuel green jets

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AND..... back on topic....

(Hydrogen, nuclear, horse sh*t fuelled planes are not going to be the catalyst to spark a revival in pilot recruitment in the next 2-3 decades folks!)
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Old 13th Apr 2009, 12:44
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Angel 2012 .... 2013 ... i donno ...

will get my instructor rating done by the end of this year will work as an instructor for the next five years ... and then lets see wat upturn is upon me ..
 
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I wouldn't so readily dismiss nuclear-powered planes.

A leak would likely release far less radiation into the atmosphere than is released from coal-fired power stations today. It's all a question of motivation and the relative price of oil. As the article stated, I can't see any insurmountable technical barriers.

(but it sure as hell aint got anything to do with the current recession)
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Oil falls below $50 amid slump in US stocks

Oil prices fell sharply on Monday to below $50 a barrel following forecasts by the International Energy Agency (IEA) that demand for crude would decline this year by 2.4 million units a day.

Last week, the IEA predicted that the world economy will need only 83.4 million barrels of oil a day, 2.8 per cent less than in 2008, after “lower than expected economic growth in the global economy”
Oil falls below $50 amid slump in US stocks - Times Online
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Can you imagine if you had a leak from this type of engine? On a transatlantic trip you woud irradiate everything from the UK and back!
And this wouldn't occur on a nuclear submarine?
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Old 13th Apr 2009, 21:32
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Goodness me guys. Some of us here are supposed to be highly qualified professionals.

A leak would likely release far less radiation into the atmosphere than is released from coal-fired power stations today.
Radioactive coal? Coal power stations are radiation free.

there have been loads of experiments of crashing Phantom fighter jets, speeding trains etc into nuclear caskets with no resulting breach of integrity.
These were flasks used for carrying nuclear waste from the power station to the storage / reprocessing plant. They were not reactors. A fully functioning nuclear reactor is a whole different kettle of fish and is VERY vunerable. A leak/crash would be catastrophic. Chernobyl.

You will never fly a nuclear powered aircraft. It's scary to think that some of these comments could be from airline pilots!
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Old 13th Apr 2009, 21:36
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Radioactive coal? Coal power stations are radiation free.
Wrong. Most radiation present in the atmosphere today is in fact from the combustion of coal in electrical power stations.

There are, believe it or not, companies and research organisations looking at ways of "harvesting" uranium from spent coal ash!

(only slightly off topic)
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Old 13th Apr 2009, 22:12
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News to me!
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