Growing Evidence That The Upturn Is Upon Us
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All im saying that there are airlines out there that are willing to take a 250hr pilot on
I believe Loganair have just hired a few new FO's but they were instructors from Tayside and I also believe Eastern have hired some newbies too.
Flying Virgin I like your positive attitude but I think you have bitten off much more than you can chew: fiance, baby and ATPL all by the time you are 21??? I would stick to scaffolding if it can pay you the amounts needed to fund all three of those.
people retiring, new airlines forming etc
New airlines forming: can you give me the names of these new airlines please?
etc: can you give me a list of the etc's that will affect airline recruitment?
Sorry to be a fly in the ointment but unless you go the Ryanair route I can see no other way in at the moment however I would like be proved wrong. Keep us informed of what happens mate.
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Smith thanks for the concern, but I have worked hard, for 5 years saved lots of money to pay for my family, training, even a type rating if needed, I'm lucky to be living at home with my parents. So why would I stick to scaffolding , when in a few years my office could be 35000ft in the air,
see hard graft pays off.
see hard graft pays off.
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Flyvirgin, tread with caution my friend.
I am one of those 1500+ people who where gainfully employed until recently and trust me there are few to no jobs out there for the likes of us let alone someone with a new shinny blue book. It’s healthy to have ambition and dreams, but for the newly qualified and for people with a green book but not a command, at the moment and for some time to come, that’s all they will be.
If I were starting out right now, I wouldn’t go past the exams stage as spending anything more on training (until this whole picture becomes clearer) may be financial suicide.
I am one of those 1500+ people who where gainfully employed until recently and trust me there are few to no jobs out there for the likes of us let alone someone with a new shinny blue book. It’s healthy to have ambition and dreams, but for the newly qualified and for people with a green book but not a command, at the moment and for some time to come, that’s all they will be.
If I were starting out right now, I wouldn’t go past the exams stage as spending anything more on training (until this whole picture becomes clearer) may be financial suicide.
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Quagmiregiddy,
Thanks for your reply, Now i'm thinking wheather to delay my training till next year?
But,
It don't make no oddzs to me, because i can get my licence CPL IR etc and not to worried about getting a job right away,
I used to scaffold on oil rigs which pays good money, so i could go back working there, apply for jobs and see what happens, i could pleasure fly while im waiting to stay current,
Is this a good idea, or just delay the bloody training,
Thanks for your reply, Now i'm thinking wheather to delay my training till next year?
But,
It don't make no oddzs to me, because i can get my licence CPL IR etc and not to worried about getting a job right away,
I used to scaffold on oil rigs which pays good money, so i could go back working there, apply for jobs and see what happens, i could pleasure fly while im waiting to stay current,
Is this a good idea, or just delay the bloody training,
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Fantastic!
Fantastic! One of the great things about Pprune is the number of experts... usually aged between 19-21... who explain the past, justify the present and forecast the future with such confidence! Keep'em coming guys... thanks!
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German Airline Blue Wings halts flight operations
German airline Blue Wings AG has stopped it's flights this noontime. They were flying from german airports to Moscow and Kasachstan and used a fleet of A320s. They decided to stop because of financial problems. Parts of the fleet had looked like being stored at DUS for at least a week.
Blue Wings stellt Flugbetrieb ein - FLUG REVUE
All the best of luck to the staff.
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Yes Virgin...
... I WAS young once... but even at 18 I knew that if I couldn't stand the heat I could get out of the kitchen. Whilst I am hugely saddened that so many of you young folks have worked hard and borrowed fortunes, the industry is what it is...it's evolving and changing like it always has. I certainly never considered joining a ragbag band of (sometimes) near-illiterate Seneca pilots trying to change things in their favour! It wouldn't have worked then and it won't work now.
If you don't want to pay for a TR...don't do it! If you don't want to be bonded..don't do it! Each and every one of you young (and youngish) folks with 200-230 hours and a frozen ATPL made a choice and took a risk... and I'm the first to acknowledge that, tragically, many of you will never make it into the airlines. For some, bankruptcy beckons. For others, maybe spending the next 15-20 years paying off your debts.
What some of you guys hope to achieve by stirring the media is lost on me.. and I am gravely concerned about how many of you "rebels" will treat SOPs... if you get that far. The learning really starts when you get that first RHS position.
Rant over, sorry. Even we old timers know it's really hard for you out there and I, for one, wish you all well.
Cheers, bm. PA23, 31, DC3,C500,550 and 650. Be90, 100 and 200.F27, B733. B206, S61 and 76. Not bragging..just saying!
If you don't want to pay for a TR...don't do it! If you don't want to be bonded..don't do it! Each and every one of you young (and youngish) folks with 200-230 hours and a frozen ATPL made a choice and took a risk... and I'm the first to acknowledge that, tragically, many of you will never make it into the airlines. For some, bankruptcy beckons. For others, maybe spending the next 15-20 years paying off your debts.
What some of you guys hope to achieve by stirring the media is lost on me.. and I am gravely concerned about how many of you "rebels" will treat SOPs... if you get that far. The learning really starts when you get that first RHS position.
Rant over, sorry. Even we old timers know it's really hard for you out there and I, for one, wish you all well.
Cheers, bm. PA23, 31, DC3,C500,550 and 650. Be90, 100 and 200.F27, B733. B206, S61 and 76. Not bragging..just saying!
I love it when Wannabes come on about how its worth training because things will pick up. My good friends over on the Flying Instructor forum (which I also Mod) are eagerly waiting to take your cash.
ei-flyer, lets wait until the winters actually over before we count up the corpses eh? With Lingus collapsing their LGW operation down to only Malaga + some local Irish airport destinations there may well be one quite close to home.
The only jobs in the airline world in Europe require the payment of a circa £30k to attain on a part time, contractor basis. Pay to fly is all there is. Sadly the entry fee is now North of £100k to access the flightdeck.
Since summer 2007 I have been warning of this.
Still they enrol.
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ei-flyer, lets wait until the winters actually over before we count up the corpses eh? With Lingus collapsing their LGW operation down to only Malaga + some local Irish airport destinations there may well be one quite close to home.
The only jobs in the airline world in Europe require the payment of a circa £30k to attain on a part time, contractor basis. Pay to fly is all there is. Sadly the entry fee is now North of £100k to access the flightdeck.
Since summer 2007 I have been warning of this.
Still they enrol.
WWW
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Since summer 2007 I have been warning of this.
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If I look into my crystal ball in the not too distant future I see a time when there are no FO jobs at all. In the bean counter's eyes the FO is only there to keep it legal so will become a training position only until you reach 1500 hours then you can apply for a command and start getting paid as a captain is required to fly the plane!!!
The jobs on its arse. There won't be an upturn. This is never going to go away. There never will be a shortage of 200hr cadets. There never will be an alternative to paying for TR way over the odds and then working without terms or conditions.
The ratchet is always down.
The jet airlines are closed unless you have a £100k chequebook. Start targeting the small operators with unusual type ratings would be my advice.
Its over.
Very over.
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The ratchet is always down.
The jet airlines are closed unless you have a £100k chequebook. Start targeting the small operators with unusual type ratings would be my advice.
Its over.
Very over.
WWW
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Things are turning in Africa
WWW,
It may be doom and gloom in Europe but down here in South Africa our mainline carrier, SAA, is predicting growing from around the current level of 750 pilots to around 1000 by the end of 2011. Mango, their low-cost sister, is also predicting growth and SA Express, the feeder for SAA, is looking for at least 60 additional pilots due to expansion plans. Kenya Airways just advertised for another cadet batch.
Yes, these are positions for pilots with experience, but it means that there will be around 300 to 400 positions opening up for commuter airline FO's, flight instructors, charter and contract pilots when the airlines hire the current occupants of these positions.
Cheers
It may be doom and gloom in Europe but down here in South Africa our mainline carrier, SAA, is predicting growing from around the current level of 750 pilots to around 1000 by the end of 2011. Mango, their low-cost sister, is also predicting growth and SA Express, the feeder for SAA, is looking for at least 60 additional pilots due to expansion plans. Kenya Airways just advertised for another cadet batch.
Yes, these are positions for pilots with experience, but it means that there will be around 300 to 400 positions opening up for commuter airline FO's, flight instructors, charter and contract pilots when the airlines hire the current occupants of these positions.
Cheers
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