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Hi folks and good luck to every one going to the assessment.
I just finished at Oxford. All the advice previously given is good.
The only thing I can add is be yourself, putting on a show, or pretending to be who you think they want you to be won't work, and they'll see through it.
Good luck again.
I just finished at Oxford. All the advice previously given is good.
The only thing I can add is be yourself, putting on a show, or pretending to be who you think they want you to be won't work, and they'll see through it.
Good luck again.
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Basically they've based their selection process on BA's. It's just a little..........easier. (I hope I'm not being unfair there.) Nice bunch of people though, and if you have problems you can always argue your case!
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just been to OAT for day pre view of course etc. Really impressed with pretty much everything. They gave a very brief overview of the skills assessment aptitude tests, most of which (though terrifying me to varying degrees) seemed straight forward enough. There was one section which - though I'm sure was obvious - went STRAIGHT OVER MY HEAD!!!!!! Some clarification would be really gratefully recieved.
You are shown 3 instruments relating to direction, attitude & position and are given a choice of 4 diagrams to make a selection from (effectively a blue elongated cross with green arrow) which best suites the aircrafts....... position I guess. Do these diagrams have a name? Can I find them anywhere on the net to research and understand them? Evidently I am not an aviator but am determined to make a sucess of this. MANY THANKS IN ADVANCE
AP
You are shown 3 instruments relating to direction, attitude & position and are given a choice of 4 diagrams to make a selection from (effectively a blue elongated cross with green arrow) which best suites the aircrafts....... position I guess. Do these diagrams have a name? Can I find them anywhere on the net to research and understand them? Evidently I am not an aviator but am determined to make a sucess of this. MANY THANKS IN ADVANCE
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Don't worry, it's explained thoroughly before you start the assessment. :-)
If you head over to this page, you'll find a video showing you the various bits of COMPASS.
http://www.epst.com/com/compas.html
If you skip through, you'll find the orientation one. The RBI points towards the big cross in the middle of the screen, and hopefully the compass and AI are self explanatory. The green arrow shows whether the plane is climbing or descending.
You have to work out which little airplane corresponds to the scenario shown in the instruments. In the example they have on their website, it's number (1).
It's descending, flying directly away from the beacon, and heading west.
If you head over to this page, you'll find a video showing you the various bits of COMPASS.
http://www.epst.com/com/compas.html
If you skip through, you'll find the orientation one. The RBI points towards the big cross in the middle of the screen, and hopefully the compass and AI are self explanatory. The green arrow shows whether the plane is climbing or descending.
You have to work out which little airplane corresponds to the scenario shown in the instruments. In the example they have on their website, it's number (1).
It's descending, flying directly away from the beacon, and heading west.
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I have just booked on a two day OAT Skills assessment test on the 9th and 10th January. Has anybody been through this process and actually done the different tests? If so please can you explain what you had to do? Many Thanks
I have just booked on a two day OAT Skills assessment test on the 9th and 10th January. Has anybody been through this process and actually done the different tests? If so please can you explain what you had to do? Many Thanks
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Sorry, but having read the last post, can I just clarify that OAT students are indeed studying for a CAA fATPL and not some kind of Top Gun elitist fast jet qualification?!!
Ironic really that everybody ends up with the same qualification at the end of the day (be you OAT, FTE, modular or integrated) The glory and prestige ultimately stops when you leave OAT and step out into THE REAL WORLD!
All I can say is don't be blinded by the OAT sales & marketing pitch. There are more economically viable ways to get oneself into the RHS of a jet. Some people here talk like its an extension of sixth form (which arguably it can be seen as - just go and look at the place!)
Ironic really that everybody ends up with the same qualification at the end of the day (be you OAT, FTE, modular or integrated) The glory and prestige ultimately stops when you leave OAT and step out into THE REAL WORLD!
All I can say is don't be blinded by the OAT sales & marketing pitch. There are more economically viable ways to get oneself into the RHS of a jet. Some people here talk like its an extension of sixth form (which arguably it can be seen as - just go and look at the place!)
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Oh well my dear, so why a finance and business diploma from Harvard is far more valuable than the same diploma in a little university of Oklahoma or why a degree from oxford is prefered to the same degree of an other university?
You can have you JAA exams with 75% but you can also have your JAA exams with 95%... and at the end the result is completely different. OAT is recognized by the largest companies as one of the best training school in europe. Ryanair recruits 50 students ths year because they know that with OAT graduated pilots the line training will be less than the average, and as every body knows Ryanair never wastes money.
With OAT you are trained to be an airline pilot, the standard is higher, and at the end you have a professional license but above all you are able to fly a 150 passengers machine interacting with a business environment.
Because our standards reflects the GECAT standards we are now part of the GECAT Flight academy and this is not a coincidence.
The training being refunded in 6 years ... adding the others 30 years of flight time as an airliner with the appropriate pay... it is a very good investment.
There is no shame to be in the best flight training in Europe!
You can have you JAA exams with 75% but you can also have your JAA exams with 95%... and at the end the result is completely different. OAT is recognized by the largest companies as one of the best training school in europe. Ryanair recruits 50 students ths year because they know that with OAT graduated pilots the line training will be less than the average, and as every body knows Ryanair never wastes money.
With OAT you are trained to be an airline pilot, the standard is higher, and at the end you have a professional license but above all you are able to fly a 150 passengers machine interacting with a business environment.
Because our standards reflects the GECAT standards we are now part of the GECAT Flight academy and this is not a coincidence.
The training being refunded in 6 years ... adding the others 30 years of flight time as an airliner with the appropriate pay... it is a very good investment.
There is no shame to be in the best flight training in Europe!
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I'm currently studying my atpl groundschool at oat, and i would like to take this opportunity to say to everyone reading this thread that not every student at oat is as outstandingly talented or as downright pompous as Katherine.
But then again I'm modular so what would i know.
But then again I'm modular so what would i know.
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Hi....
I can't really add to the OAT Assessment as I haven't done it but I am starting at Cabair in the new year and had to pass their assessment day at Cranfield so can add a bit on that.
This may or may not help but here goes....
MEET AND GREET
This happens at about 08.30-08.45 in the reception area. The building is fairly easy to find with the help of Tom Tom but would definitely recommend leaving yourself plenty of time to get there! Keren came out to introduce herself etc and then took us through to their offices where we were given a brief form to fill in and running order for the day and had a chance to ask any initial questions.
MATHS & PHYSICS ASSESSMENTS
These are multiple choice lasting about 90 mins EACH and are not exactly PHd level. However, don't take this as being easy either! There are some fairly easy questions and some really not so easy. Revision and Practice are the keys to getting through these aspects. Just think of them as a necessary evil and all will be fine!
LUNCH
They have a pretty modern cafeteria there serving decent food. Well recommended before embarking on PILAPT in the afternoon!
PILAPT
There's loads of feedback on this all over the web so won't bore you but I seriously recommend the PILAPT Prep software! It's only £20 of £30 and is the best revision I could have done! It gives you so much confidence when the instrcutions screen comes up and you already know exactly what you have to do.
The only thing that the software doens't prepare you for are the excercises which use the joystick. But as said many a time before, this isn't exactly difficult and particuarly if you're from the Nintendo and Flight Sim generation such as myself!
I know this sounds odd but I really enjoyed PILAPT (apart from shape recognition in clutter, that was bloody awful but I did enough to go through)
INTERVIEW
This was with Tim Sharland as Keren was busy in a meeting with the recruitment director from BA. (which gave me some confidence that BA obviously believe in them so why shouldn't I! I'm sure that will provolke some other comments)
I have seen some bad reports about Tim on here but I can only go from what I have seen....I found him to be a really decent guy. He told it as it is, gave me my resuts (passed) and gave me some good feedback on how I had done throughout the day overall. Also gave me some pointers on where I need to improve before I start ATPL's which was useful.
This stage of the process is the last bit and takes about 30 mins and you are free to go straight after.
Key Points of this being for anyone looking at assessments: -
Dress Smart
Try to relax
Revise your arse off for any part of the assessment that you can revise (i.e maths, physics and some parts of PILAPT)!!! Trust me, this will give you confidence!
Hope this helps someone guys. At the very least it will give you an idea of the Cabair Assessment compared to the OAT assessment in the same thread.
For furtehr details of any questions feel free to PM me.
Cheers
Chris
I can't really add to the OAT Assessment as I haven't done it but I am starting at Cabair in the new year and had to pass their assessment day at Cranfield so can add a bit on that.
This may or may not help but here goes....
MEET AND GREET
This happens at about 08.30-08.45 in the reception area. The building is fairly easy to find with the help of Tom Tom but would definitely recommend leaving yourself plenty of time to get there! Keren came out to introduce herself etc and then took us through to their offices where we were given a brief form to fill in and running order for the day and had a chance to ask any initial questions.
MATHS & PHYSICS ASSESSMENTS
These are multiple choice lasting about 90 mins EACH and are not exactly PHd level. However, don't take this as being easy either! There are some fairly easy questions and some really not so easy. Revision and Practice are the keys to getting through these aspects. Just think of them as a necessary evil and all will be fine!
LUNCH
They have a pretty modern cafeteria there serving decent food. Well recommended before embarking on PILAPT in the afternoon!
PILAPT
There's loads of feedback on this all over the web so won't bore you but I seriously recommend the PILAPT Prep software! It's only £20 of £30 and is the best revision I could have done! It gives you so much confidence when the instrcutions screen comes up and you already know exactly what you have to do.
The only thing that the software doens't prepare you for are the excercises which use the joystick. But as said many a time before, this isn't exactly difficult and particuarly if you're from the Nintendo and Flight Sim generation such as myself!
I know this sounds odd but I really enjoyed PILAPT (apart from shape recognition in clutter, that was bloody awful but I did enough to go through)
INTERVIEW
This was with Tim Sharland as Keren was busy in a meeting with the recruitment director from BA. (which gave me some confidence that BA obviously believe in them so why shouldn't I! I'm sure that will provolke some other comments)
I have seen some bad reports about Tim on here but I can only go from what I have seen....I found him to be a really decent guy. He told it as it is, gave me my resuts (passed) and gave me some good feedback on how I had done throughout the day overall. Also gave me some pointers on where I need to improve before I start ATPL's which was useful.
This stage of the process is the last bit and takes about 30 mins and you are free to go straight after.
Key Points of this being for anyone looking at assessments: -
Dress Smart
Try to relax
Revise your arse off for any part of the assessment that you can revise (i.e maths, physics and some parts of PILAPT)!!! Trust me, this will give you confidence!
Hope this helps someone guys. At the very least it will give you an idea of the Cabair Assessment compared to the OAT assessment in the same thread.
For furtehr details of any questions feel free to PM me.
Cheers
Chris
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Well in response to your post Katherine....
I have my 5 Metre Front Crawl Puffin Badge!
I've studied economics in the past but haven't found it at all useful to this point. In fact...I'm currently an accountant but haven't found my forte for figures helping me apart from it giving me fairly sharp mental maths during the Cabair assessment.
I have my 5 Metre Front Crawl Puffin Badge!
I've studied economics in the past but haven't found it at all useful to this point. In fact...I'm currently an accountant but haven't found my forte for figures helping me apart from it giving me fairly sharp mental maths during the Cabair assessment.
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I call windup merchant on Katherine Alexandra.
Sadly, many seem to have fallen for it and are getting wound up.
Please don't feed the trolls folks, it only makes them live longer!
Sadly, many seem to have fallen for it and are getting wound up.
Please don't feed the trolls folks, it only makes them live longer!
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Just to fill everyone in on PPRUNE, the illustrious Katherine Lee is the kind of student pilot i can imagine not engaging with many people on AP279. My image is of someone who may not tuck their shirt in all the time, have really long and untamed hair as well as never doing her tie up, an image not to be resembled as a professional pilot, of which combined with the level of maturity and honesty will find it an everest-sized challenge to join an airline. In addition maybe not performing at the top of the class in Test's, am i right???
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Ok well this all seems to be getting a tad personal now. Calm down guys. This area of pprune is designed to discuss the problems we all encounter in acheiving our common goal.
I am not getting involved in this feud which clearly spans beyond the realms of pprune but to be fair Katherines tone is bound to piss a few people off Rick0!
That's the end of my comments on Katherine.....
Anyone got anything constructive to add about OAT or Cabair assessments then let the thread recommence.....
Cheers
The UN
I am not getting involved in this feud which clearly spans beyond the realms of pprune but to be fair Katherines tone is bound to piss a few people off Rick0!
That's the end of my comments on Katherine.....
Anyone got anything constructive to add about OAT or Cabair assessments then let the thread recommence.....
Cheers
The UN
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Ok well this all seems to be getting a tad personal now. Calm down guys. This area of pprune is designed to discuss the problems we all encounter in acheiving our common goal.
I am not getting involved in this feud which clearly spans beyond the realms of pprune but to be fair Katherines tone is bound to piss a few people off Rick0!
That's the end of my comments on Katherine.....
Anyone got anything constructive to add about OAT or Cabair assessments then let the thread recommence.....
Cheers
The UN
I am not getting involved in this feud which clearly spans beyond the realms of pprune but to be fair Katherines tone is bound to piss a few people off Rick0!
That's the end of my comments on Katherine.....
Anyone got anything constructive to add about OAT or Cabair assessments then let the thread recommence.....
Cheers
The UN
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When there is a slight slowdown in the amount of people prepared to shell out shed loads of cash for a fATPL OAT will soon ditch the assesment in favour of relieving absolutley anyone who is able to find £70,000.
At the moment they can afforfd to be slightly picky, however, in the early 90s' it was only the Algerian airforce students that kept the place afloat.
Katherine, whilst you no doubt mean well, i suggest you tone it down a touch when it comes to airline interviews - don't be fooled by the Oxford bull****, they tell you any old pony to get your cash.
At the moment they can afforfd to be slightly picky, however, in the early 90s' it was only the Algerian airforce students that kept the place afloat.
Katherine, whilst you no doubt mean well, i suggest you tone it down a touch when it comes to airline interviews - don't be fooled by the Oxford bull****, they tell you any old pony to get your cash.