CAA/JAA Licence Admin Problems (Applications, Paperwork, etc)
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re: CAA ATPL Fees?
the $250 fee for the MEP test is notably similar to that fot a PPL skill test, where the fee in £ sterling is around £150, this is not a CAA fee, but paid direct to the examiner, like A PPL skills test!
hope this helps!
The CAA Scheme of charges is availiable here:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/srg_fc...es_prof_06.pdf for the Commercial Charges
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/srg_fc...ges_ppl_06.pdf for The PPL (&MEP) ones
hope this helps!
The CAA Scheme of charges is availiable here:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/srg_fc...es_prof_06.pdf for the Commercial Charges
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/srg_fc...ges_ppl_06.pdf for The PPL (&MEP) ones
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re: CAA ATPL Fees?
It is criminally high, and the justification for it (direct from the mouth of the CAA's top examiner) is:
"yes, it's expensive. But then after you're qualified, there is very little expense".
So... when you least want the expense, it's there. But then when you've qualified and you're (hopefully) earning, it's not expensive at all. Logical really!
The way PPL examining works is that examiners pay the CAA about £6000 to be registered. This they recoup from the PPL tests they do, and charge a fee for testing that they themselves set (usually £150-£200). Different kettle of fish.
PS if my info is wrong please feel free to correct me... Keygrip?
"yes, it's expensive. But then after you're qualified, there is very little expense".
So... when you least want the expense, it's there. But then when you've qualified and you're (hopefully) earning, it's not expensive at all. Logical really!
The way PPL examining works is that examiners pay the CAA about £6000 to be registered. This they recoup from the PPL tests they do, and charge a fee for testing that they themselves set (usually £150-£200). Different kettle of fish.
PS if my info is wrong please feel free to correct me... Keygrip?
re: CAA ATPL Fees?
Assuming that you are accepted for UK/FE PPL authorisation, the CAA fee is less than £300. Bearing in mind that the FE may, in a 3 year period, have to pay for up to 6 medicals, FI revalidation, a Dummy Skill Test with an Examiner's fee plus ac hire and has to conduct not less than 6 Skill Tests, it is reasonably simple to calculate the appropriate fee he/she will charge for a PPL Skill Test.
FIEs charge around £200 for a simple FI revalidation; for a PPL Skill Test I charge £160, for a SEP revalidation £80 and £0 for an IMC initial test. That's probably slightly below the industry norm - and, of course, Grumpy Gordon takes his cut.....
FIEs charge around £200 for a simple FI revalidation; for a PPL Skill Test I charge £160, for a SEP revalidation £80 and £0 for an IMC initial test. That's probably slightly below the industry norm - and, of course, Grumpy Gordon takes his cut.....
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Validity of fATPL?
HI, Can someone tell me the life-span of a "Frozen ATPL/CPL/IR" Does it begin the day you get your final written exam pass, or when you pass the IR or finally when you get your licence issued at Gatwick?????? I think its five years........however my main question is.... What happens after five years if you still havn't got a flying job and you only have 250 hours in your log book? Do you loose everything? Is there a way of keeping it alive. Anyone else in this situation???? Cheers
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Your "Frozen ATPL" actually consists of a number of different things, each of which needs to be maintained seperately:
- A CPL, which is valid for 5 years. Revalidated by sending the CAA a cheque
- An Instrument Rating, which is valid for 1 year. Revalidated by test, either on an aircraft or in a simulator
- A Multi-Engine Piston Class Rating, which is valid for 1 year. If you revalidate your IR on an aircraft, this will also revalidate your class rating
- A Multi Crew Course, which does not expire
- Credits for the ATPL written exams, which remain valid so long as you have had a valid Instrument Rating some time within the last 7 years. If you let your instrument rating lapse by more than 7 years, the exam credits expire and you have to re-sit the exams
- A medical, the duration of which depends on your age
Sorry, I do not know for certain exactly when the validity period of each of these commences, but I think it is the date the CAA processed the application.
See LASORS for more information on each of these, including renewal requirements if you happen to not revalidate before the expiry period of any one of these.
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- A CPL, which is valid for 5 years. Revalidated by sending the CAA a cheque
- An Instrument Rating, which is valid for 1 year. Revalidated by test, either on an aircraft or in a simulator
- A Multi-Engine Piston Class Rating, which is valid for 1 year. If you revalidate your IR on an aircraft, this will also revalidate your class rating
- A Multi Crew Course, which does not expire
- Credits for the ATPL written exams, which remain valid so long as you have had a valid Instrument Rating some time within the last 7 years. If you let your instrument rating lapse by more than 7 years, the exam credits expire and you have to re-sit the exams
- A medical, the duration of which depends on your age
Sorry, I do not know for certain exactly when the validity period of each of these commences, but I think it is the date the CAA processed the application.
See LASORS for more information on each of these, including renewal requirements if you happen to not revalidate before the expiry period of any one of these.
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do i need a R/T Licence
I have an Irish JAA PPL issued about 4 years ago, I have a stamp in my logbook saying I hold a restricted R/T licence, signed by the CFI of the flight training organisation I done my PPL at.
I will soon begin training for my CAA CPL. Do I need to get a CAA issued R/T Licence.
I will soon begin training for my CAA CPL. Do I need to get a CAA issued R/T Licence.
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If you have a look at the PLD section of the CAA's website they have the details of how they are doing in processing applications. As of today they are processing applications received on 3rd July 2006.
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?categoryid=137
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?categoryid=137
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I had to wait six weeks and complain to get movement.
During that time Gatwickii managed to process and change for an update to a PPL though ....
The money will leave your account on the day you think about paying it.
During that time Gatwickii managed to process and change for an update to a PPL though ....
The money will leave your account on the day you think about paying it.
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CAA/JAA Double Logged as Dual and PIC - Application Rejected!
Hi
Right here goes. I went to a flight school 5 years ago in USA to do a PPL. I then went back to do 50 hours PIC hour building to qualify to train to do my FAA SE/IR. All of that 50 hours was flown in the left hand seat as PIC, but during my time there i became good mates with one of the instructors who came along with me for most of those 50 hours. I was assured that this was not a problem,and still counted as PIC even though he also logged them as he obviously wanted to build hours aswell, and the time was logged as PIC and dual. I have recently completed JAA ME/IR, and did JAA CPL at another school in USA last August.
I did not apply for CPL until now as i thought that i would apply for ME/IR, CPL at the same time so reducing application fees.
I have just received a letter from the licensing officer at the CAA saying that my licence is pending due to falling short of the following requirements, Quote:Your logbook shows some entries have been dual logged as PIC and Dual. This practice is not recognised in the UK and all entries are treated as dual. Taking into account the hours logged in this manner there would appear to be a shortfall of 50.2 hours of the required 100 hours as PIC(This also includes a shortfall of PIC cross country hours).
As you can probably imagine, this leaves me in a predicament as not only do i now have to go and shell out another however much on hour building but it is highly likely that i will not be able to get this done before mid august when my years CPL lapses and i have to train again for CPL test.
This is almost making me weep like a dog just thinking about it!
Though this really is a big problem i'm going to make sure i stay positive about it and try and work through this, but i'd really appreciate any advice on what i can do from here. Obviously if i ever knew this would be the situation when i did my hour building in USA i would have gone off and done it alone, or at least not with an instructor(friend!) logging my hard earned hours.
When i went to do my JAA CPL In Florida should the FTO there not have seen that my PIC hours do not fit in with CAA regulations?
Any help or advice would be really appreciated.
Thanks
Right here goes. I went to a flight school 5 years ago in USA to do a PPL. I then went back to do 50 hours PIC hour building to qualify to train to do my FAA SE/IR. All of that 50 hours was flown in the left hand seat as PIC, but during my time there i became good mates with one of the instructors who came along with me for most of those 50 hours. I was assured that this was not a problem,and still counted as PIC even though he also logged them as he obviously wanted to build hours aswell, and the time was logged as PIC and dual. I have recently completed JAA ME/IR, and did JAA CPL at another school in USA last August.
I did not apply for CPL until now as i thought that i would apply for ME/IR, CPL at the same time so reducing application fees.
I have just received a letter from the licensing officer at the CAA saying that my licence is pending due to falling short of the following requirements, Quote:Your logbook shows some entries have been dual logged as PIC and Dual. This practice is not recognised in the UK and all entries are treated as dual. Taking into account the hours logged in this manner there would appear to be a shortfall of 50.2 hours of the required 100 hours as PIC(This also includes a shortfall of PIC cross country hours).
As you can probably imagine, this leaves me in a predicament as not only do i now have to go and shell out another however much on hour building but it is highly likely that i will not be able to get this done before mid august when my years CPL lapses and i have to train again for CPL test.
This is almost making me weep like a dog just thinking about it!
Though this really is a big problem i'm going to make sure i stay positive about it and try and work through this, but i'd really appreciate any advice on what i can do from here. Obviously if i ever knew this would be the situation when i did my hour building in USA i would have gone off and done it alone, or at least not with an instructor(friend!) logging my hard earned hours. When i went to do my JAA CPL In Florida should the FTO there not have seen that my PIC hours do not fit in with CAA regulations?
Any help or advice would be really appreciated.
Thanks
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This one is regularly coming up. If you fly a single pilot aircraft, only one person can count the time. Unless you are a pupil, when you get the P2 and the instructor the P1. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch (or free hours) and if ever a things looks too good to be true, it usually is!
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Well, if you were the commander then you should log P1. Whatever your friend wants to log is up to him. One of you was designated the commander on the ground before you got airborne and that person is the one who logs the PIC time.
If you decided that he would be the commander and log PIC and you would log dual as a student, then you're in an awkward situation and you need to do some real P1 time. If you decided that YOU would be designated the aircraft commander then you are fine - you have just incorrectly logged the time as dual when it should be PIC and he has incorreclty logged the time as PIC when he isn't entitled to log anything.
It all depends on which one of you was in command.
If you decided that he would be the commander and log PIC and you would log dual as a student, then you're in an awkward situation and you need to do some real P1 time. If you decided that YOU would be designated the aircraft commander then you are fine - you have just incorrectly logged the time as dual when it should be PIC and he has incorreclty logged the time as PIC when he isn't entitled to log anything.
It all depends on which one of you was in command.
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Seems to me your "friend" should have known better. I'm assuming he knew what you were trying to achieve with the hour building.
Get your log book back. Tippex out the Dual stuff and change it all to P1 and reapply.
I had to do a small amount of "adjusting" post fATPL issue and it didn't seem to bother Mr CAA.
Good luck.
Get your log book back. Tippex out the Dual stuff and change it all to P1 and reapply.
I had to do a small amount of "adjusting" post fATPL issue and it didn't seem to bother Mr CAA.
Good luck.
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Originally Posted by Piltdown Man
This one is regularly coming up. If you fly a single pilot aircraft, only one person can count the time. Unless you are a pupil, when you get the P2 and the instructor the P1.
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..It is a bit of a minefield; refer to LASORS for definitive answers.SR
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I think the bottom line is - you're screwed. The "friend" and the flight school did you no favours (but they did make lot's of money out of it, eh?)
My last chat with the CAA about someone in a similar (but by no means identical) situation (i.e. 12 months about to expire) resulted in the Authority saying words to the effect of "the application has been made within the 12 months so should be honoured by us when the shortfall is corrected".
Whether they'll actually do that is a different matter. The CAA change their mind at the drop of a hat - or threat of legal action.
I suspect you did a single engine CPL test so the class rating part should not be a problem. Have the authorities issued (or even offered to) the multi engine piston rating and/or instrument rating to your PPL?
My last chat with the CAA about someone in a similar (but by no means identical) situation (i.e. 12 months about to expire) resulted in the Authority saying words to the effect of "the application has been made within the 12 months so should be honoured by us when the shortfall is corrected".
Whether they'll actually do that is a different matter. The CAA change their mind at the drop of a hat - or threat of legal action.
I suspect you did a single engine CPL test so the class rating part should not be a problem. Have the authorities issued (or even offered to) the multi engine piston rating and/or instrument rating to your PPL?