How long are your ATPL ground exams valid?
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Time between theory and cpl/ir
hi!
I have finished the thoery in september, but I would like to work, I need money
So i wonder, are there any consequences if I do IR one year after the theory ?
I mean, it is dificult if there is too much time after the thoery ? do the companies care at this problem ?
thank you very much!
I have finished the thoery in september, but I would like to work, I need money
So i wonder, are there any consequences if I do IR one year after the theory ?
I mean, it is dificult if there is too much time after the thoery ? do the companies care at this problem ?
thank you very much!
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This has been covered quite a few times if you do a search. Fundamentally you have 36 months from passing your last exam to complete the CPL and IR so as to retain the ATPL credits.
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thanks LFS,
but it was not my question...I know about 36 months, but I would like to know the consequences, for example, maybe the companies do not like it, maybe they prefer an intensive course like the integrated.
And I would like to know if it is dificult to do an IR a long time after the theory...
but it was not my question...I know about 36 months, but I would like to know the consequences, for example, maybe the companies do not like it, maybe they prefer an intensive course like the integrated.
And I would like to know if it is dificult to do an IR a long time after the theory...
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If you fail to complete your CPL/IR in the allocated time then unfortunately you must complete the dreaded 14 again...
A employer won't really care if its taken 4 months after your last pass or 30 months after your last pass to complete your CPL/IR/MCC...
A employer won't really care if its taken 4 months after your last pass or 30 months after your last pass to complete your CPL/IR/MCC...
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as wbryce says employers wont really care as you are doing the modular route. The time from the theory shouldnt be a massive problem, it is time without flying that usually causes the problem.
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If you do a CPL, but not the IR, then only the IR exam credit lapse after three year. And if you do the IR, but not the CPL then the CPL exam credits lapse.
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ATPL time to complete?
Hi all. just wondering if anyone out there is having trouble finding time to study for ATPLs? im doing module one at the moment, and have been at it on and off for about 2 years. due to work/family/second job commitments. however I always get my assesed exercises back scored at late 80s early 90s percent, and seem to have no problem retaining info between sessions. should be ready for the exams in January. (I also understand that I will have to get my skates on after the first pass, with the clock now ticking!!)
anyone had the same probs? what timeframe has it taken some of you guys to do it in? just wondering.......
ps. anyone who did it in minimum time, good on you but dont torture me!! lol
take care and fly safe.
anyone had the same probs? what timeframe has it taken some of you guys to do it in? just wondering.......
ps. anyone who did it in minimum time, good on you but dont torture me!! lol
take care and fly safe.
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Hi,
Exactly 11 months now and still half way through Phase 1 of 2. Reasons? Work/Family/house purchase/move/2nd job commitments!
Want to do the exams in Jan/Feb too. I'm estimating it'll take me between 1.5-2 years too. Relax, lot's of people achieve it like this.
Exactly 11 months now and still half way through Phase 1 of 2. Reasons? Work/Family/house purchase/move/2nd job commitments!
Want to do the exams in Jan/Feb too. I'm estimating it'll take me between 1.5-2 years too. Relax, lot's of people achieve it like this.
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Hi
Was just wondering what your study patterns are like with so much going on,,
Im about to embark on the ATP course , though am worried how to find the time to study, with work etc ,, Its good to know there are others in for the long haul, 12+ mnths seems more realistic to complete the first Mod, with work & 2nd Jobs,, if any one has manged to do it in less,, please share how you managed it,,
good luck Guys ,,
Was just wondering what your study patterns are like with so much going on,,
Im about to embark on the ATP course , though am worried how to find the time to study, with work etc ,, Its good to know there are others in for the long haul, 12+ mnths seems more realistic to complete the first Mod, with work & 2nd Jobs,, if any one has manged to do it in less,, please share how you managed it,,
good luck Guys ,,
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Anyone done ATPL's twice ?
Just wondering if anyone out there is in the same boat as myself? IE having done the ATPL's, gained a CPL but due to some unfortunate personal circumstances was unable to complete the IR within 36 months?
If so, how did you find doing the ATPL's a second time ? Did you attend the classroom segment as I believe I am exempt from this however still feel it might be a wise idea ? Are there any groundschool providers that specialise in people doing the course a second time (ie know which corners they can get away with cutting?)
Based on my research I'm looking at using Bristol however just wondered if anyone had any other views to offer? I did my ATPL's first time with Oxford and found them very good but Bristol seems to get the best reviews.
Cheers !
UA
If so, how did you find doing the ATPL's a second time ? Did you attend the classroom segment as I believe I am exempt from this however still feel it might be a wise idea ? Are there any groundschool providers that specialise in people doing the course a second time (ie know which corners they can get away with cutting?)
Based on my research I'm looking at using Bristol however just wondered if anyone had any other views to offer? I did my ATPL's first time with Oxford and found them very good but Bristol seems to get the best reviews.
Cheers !
UA
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ATPL Issues
Chaps,
Was after some help on a couple of questions please....
1) Are there any ideas on how long ALL of the ATPL examinations will take for someone who working (so this will be done on evening and weekends)?
2) Can the ATPL examinations be taken one at a time, or do they need to be all done in one sitting..or in a different combination?
Many thanks.
LB
Was after some help on a couple of questions please....
1) Are there any ideas on how long ALL of the ATPL examinations will take for someone who working (so this will be done on evening and weekends)?
2) Can the ATPL examinations be taken one at a time, or do they need to be all done in one sitting..or in a different combination?
Many thanks.
LB
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Thanks for that but thats still no use, that will only give me a CPL/IR and not a Frozen ATPL which is what I need!
Dont quite think the word 'enjoy' clearly defines my sentiment towards having to do the ATPL's a second time round though !
Thanks for that but thats still no use, that will only give me a CPL/IR and not a Frozen ATPL which is what I need!
Dont quite think the word 'enjoy' clearly defines my sentiment towards having to do the ATPL's a second time round though !
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London boy - I would strongly suggest that you download a copy of LASORS from the CAA website and have a good read through all of the provisions pertaining to the ground exams as the answers are all in there. In summary though you have 18 months to pass all 14 exams from the date of your first sitting. You get 6 sittings and no more than 4 attempts at each paper. Therefore sitting 1 paper at a time basically wastes a sitting and you would be better off sitting papers that you even don't feel ready for on the basis that you might fluke a result. It is all in Section J. Under the personnel licensing section of the CAA website (safety regulation) you can find the timetables along with the application and payment forms which your ground school might give you in anycase.
As to how long it takes it will depend on how much time you have available. People have quoted in the past anything from just under 6 months through to the full 18 months. It will all be down to how bright you are, how much time you have available etc and no one will be able to give you a definitive time frame. Good luck.
As to how long it takes it will depend on how much time you have available. People have quoted in the past anything from just under 6 months through to the full 18 months. It will all be down to how bright you are, how much time you have available etc and no one will be able to give you a definitive time frame. Good luck.
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London Boy,
You NEED to download a copy of LASOR's. The CAA plain English guide to FCL. There is a section within (J I think from memory) that will detail evrything you need to know. Go to www.srg.caa.co.uk Put Lasors in search field and hey presto
That said. Nope you cannot do the exams one at a time. Most schools split the exams into two blocks. In my case an 8 and a 6 if you're doing ATPL, although a CPL school will do something simliar for the lower number of exams required.
You are allowed no more than three attempts at any one subject, completed over no more than 5 (I think) visits to the exam centre. Fail any subject three times or run out of visits to the exam centre and all credits are erased and you go back to starting again
The exams are ALL about application. Put the effort in and you should pass first time. Kid yourself about your studying and it will be an expensive few days of lining the CAA's poskets
You NEED to download a copy of LASOR's. The CAA plain English guide to FCL. There is a section within (J I think from memory) that will detail evrything you need to know. Go to www.srg.caa.co.uk Put Lasors in search field and hey presto
That said. Nope you cannot do the exams one at a time. Most schools split the exams into two blocks. In my case an 8 and a 6 if you're doing ATPL, although a CPL school will do something simliar for the lower number of exams required.
You are allowed no more than three attempts at any one subject, completed over no more than 5 (I think) visits to the exam centre. Fail any subject three times or run out of visits to the exam centre and all credits are erased and you go back to starting again
The exams are ALL about application. Put the effort in and you should pass first time. Kid yourself about your studying and it will be an expensive few days of lining the CAA's poskets
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UA, apols and comissers.
I forget that the fixed wing world is slightly different to rotary.
To get a ATPL you would have to sit the whole nine yards again (GTS do the ATPL as well, following the previoius comment). My point was that quite a few people have been there second time around due to the flexibility of course delivery for re-runs.
h-r
I forget that the fixed wing world is slightly different to rotary.
To get a ATPL you would have to sit the whole nine yards again (GTS do the ATPL as well, following the previoius comment). My point was that quite a few people have been there second time around due to the flexibility of course delivery for re-runs.
h-r
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Just a quick question for those who have done the ATPL's a second time round......do you need to attend the 2 week classroom brushup courses once again ?
I was under the impression that this wouldn't be necessary however I've just been told by Bristol GS that I would need to attend the full 4 weeks of classroom all over again ???
Any comments ?
Also, I notice with some recent changes from JAR that the rotary boys can now upgrade from a CPL to ATPL theory with only the 7 IR exams ? Anyone know if there is any sign of these changes being applied to the fixed wing route ??
I was under the impression that this wouldn't be necessary however I've just been told by Bristol GS that I would need to attend the full 4 weeks of classroom all over again ???
Any comments ?
Also, I notice with some recent changes from JAR that the rotary boys can now upgrade from a CPL to ATPL theory with only the 7 IR exams ? Anyone know if there is any sign of these changes being applied to the fixed wing route ??
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Germanīs question: atpl becoming void after 7 / 3 yrs.?
Hi there,
in April 2002 I made a German ICAO theory ATPL at the German CAA.
it was based on my single engine piston ir.
in Mai 2005 I converted it into a German JAR licence. As I do NOT have 1500 hrs and do NOT have ME(IR) I do not have my MCC / AtP theory credit IN the licence (but for application purposes I still have my theory exam results).
Now I heard on pilots.de that a (JAR? ICAO?) atpl theory credit can become void after 7 years.
fact is I have a 600 hrs and in April 2009 = April 2002 theory check + 7 yrs. I wonīt have together a 1500 hrs by mere hobby flying :-(
Important: I do always make my annual SEP IR check ride in Germany. And I do not fully understand JAR FCL (german) 1.495 (b) ... does it say you lose your ATPL theory credit after 7 years also when you have made your IFR under old ICAO rules? Does my conversion of last year (ICAO frozen ATPL MCC LR theor into JAR CPL SEP IR LR with "hidden atp theory") affect this 7 years? Or is 1.495 (b) not applicable to me because I do keep my IR current?
Thx for answers!!
in April 2002 I made a German ICAO theory ATPL at the German CAA.
it was based on my single engine piston ir.
in Mai 2005 I converted it into a German JAR licence. As I do NOT have 1500 hrs and do NOT have ME(IR) I do not have my MCC / AtP theory credit IN the licence (but for application purposes I still have my theory exam results).
Now I heard on pilots.de that a (JAR? ICAO?) atpl theory credit can become void after 7 years.
fact is I have a 600 hrs and in April 2009 = April 2002 theory check + 7 yrs. I wonīt have together a 1500 hrs by mere hobby flying :-(
Important: I do always make my annual SEP IR check ride in Germany. And I do not fully understand JAR FCL (german) 1.495 (b) ... does it say you lose your ATPL theory credit after 7 years also when you have made your IFR under old ICAO rules? Does my conversion of last year (ICAO frozen ATPL MCC LR theor into JAR CPL SEP IR LR with "hidden atp theory") affect this 7 years? Or is 1.495 (b) not applicable to me because I do keep my IR current?
Thx for answers!!
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ATPL QueStiOn
From when I pass my first JAA ATPL exam, How long have I to complete my JAA CPL and JAA MEIR? Is it 36 months after all the JAA ATPL exams are passed or what is it? Cheers