ME & IR questions (inc. renewal)
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There is no fixed list of type-specific questions you should prepare, but you obviously need to be aware of the aircraft systems and limitations (weights/speeds etc).
The non-type specific topics you might want to prepare include:
- procedures following EFATO
- asymmetric handling issues
- what is ACA/H
- 'critical' and 'safety' speeds
- single-engine performance and what affects it
- critical engine
- CSU operation
etc.
Good luck,
KK
The non-type specific topics you might want to prepare include:
- procedures following EFATO
- asymmetric handling issues
- what is ACA/H
- 'critical' and 'safety' speeds
- single-engine performance and what affects it
- critical engine
- CSU operation
etc.
Good luck,
KK
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i think it works
i think it works not really sure because i am doing my training in newzealand i have completed ppl and cpl x country i am doing my multi ifr now with my ppl license once i get my cpl it will go directly into my cpl license
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CPL + IR course syllabus
Hi,
just out of curiosity, in the PPL syllabus it went like:
Ex 3 - effects of controls
Ex 4 - effects of controls (II) - if I remember rightly
Can anyone describe if the CPL syllabus is similar and what sort of exercises can be expected during the training?
Cheers
C
just out of curiosity, in the PPL syllabus it went like:
Ex 3 - effects of controls
Ex 4 - effects of controls (II) - if I remember rightly
Can anyone describe if the CPL syllabus is similar and what sort of exercises can be expected during the training?
Cheers
C
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To the UK licence holder, need some help regarding Revalidation/Renewal.
Hi all, I need some help,
I have still a few more questions to the UK licence holder regarding revalidation/renewal of a CPL/IR Licence (Frozen ATPL).
1. IFR Renewal:
If my IFR Rating (SEP) lapsed may I renew my IFR Rating (SEP) with a Class Rating Examiner (CRE) or does the examiner has to be an Instrument Rating Examiner (IRE)? How it is regulated in UK?
2. Medical:
I still have no job and therefore I would like to extend only my Medical Class 1 if the the Medical class 2 runs off soon, in order to save a little money.
a) Can I re-activate my Medical Class 1, after an expiration date of scarcely one year, easily by AME? or do I have to go even to the AMC? How it is regulated in UK?
b) How much does an AME approximately cost for a Medical Class 1 in UK?
3. Radiotelephony Operators Licence:
I noticed that the british Flight Radiotelephony Operators Licence is
limited valid – for ten years.How do you extend the validity? Do you have to pass an examination? Or it is only a formality if someone is in the possession of a flight crew license?
So many questions, sorry. But I hope that a few people will answer my questions. Cordial thanks in advance.
I have still a few more questions to the UK licence holder regarding revalidation/renewal of a CPL/IR Licence (Frozen ATPL).
1. IFR Renewal:
If my IFR Rating (SEP) lapsed may I renew my IFR Rating (SEP) with a Class Rating Examiner (CRE) or does the examiner has to be an Instrument Rating Examiner (IRE)? How it is regulated in UK?
2. Medical:
I still have no job and therefore I would like to extend only my Medical Class 1 if the the Medical class 2 runs off soon, in order to save a little money.
a) Can I re-activate my Medical Class 1, after an expiration date of scarcely one year, easily by AME? or do I have to go even to the AMC? How it is regulated in UK?
b) How much does an AME approximately cost for a Medical Class 1 in UK?
3. Radiotelephony Operators Licence:
I noticed that the british Flight Radiotelephony Operators Licence is
limited valid – for ten years.How do you extend the validity? Do you have to pass an examination? Or it is only a formality if someone is in the possession of a flight crew license?
So many questions, sorry. But I hope that a few people will answer my questions. Cordial thanks in advance.
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all my licenses are expired and will be renewed when doing the t/rating, or just before the t/rating...
save your money, look for a job, and when called by an airline, you will renew.Probably they will ask you to change to another CAA office where the airline is based.
save your money, look for a job, and when called by an airline, you will renew.Probably they will ask you to change to another CAA office where the airline is based.
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Thks. dartagnan, but how will you renew the licenses if you doing the t/rating...or just before. That´s my question above. Is really nobody here, who can answer me at least the questions 1 - 2 
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IR Renewal
My last IR renewal was in Oct 2005 and was done on an FNPT2. Is it possible to renew it again this year on a sim or does it have to be done in an aircraft as per LASORS 2006?
I seem to remember a post from a lady called Linda Mollison suggesting that the requirement in LASORS is not currently being enforced. Does anyone have any first-hand knowledge of this?
Thanks.
I seem to remember a post from a lady called Linda Mollison suggesting that the requirement in LASORS is not currently being enforced. Does anyone have any first-hand knowledge of this?
Thanks.
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According to LASORS you have to renew in the aircraft every other year. However, LASORS is not the law and they publish stuff in there that hasn’t been enforced yet.
I believe Linda is the part owner of Professional Air Training (Bournemouth), one of the most well regarded flight schools in the UK so I would guess her comments are based on fact. Maybe it might be worth giving them a call to see what their interpretations of the rules are.
I believe Linda is the part owner of Professional Air Training (Bournemouth), one of the most well regarded flight schools in the UK so I would guess her comments are based on fact. Maybe it might be worth giving them a call to see what their interpretations of the rules are.
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This is the reply I received from the CAA on 11 July this year:
The proposed amendment to the ANO is imminently to go to the Department for Transport for transposition into the law. This process will take some 3 months. The amendment changes the reference to JAR-FCL to Amendment 5 (although we will have Amendment 6 before that happens!). Until then Amendment 3 is the reference which permits (or can be interpreted to permit) the use of FNPTs for IR revalidation and renewal. There is still a question mark over whether this change will need to go to open consultation as it may have a cost impact in having to use an aeroplane for renewals and alternating revalidations. However, the number of pilots affected should be very small as IR revalidation is normally combined with the class or type rating proficiency check. It would thus normally only apply to the holder of a multi-engine IR who is only flying SEP class aeroplanes. DfT will no doubt decide. Once the proposed amendment is laid before parliament we will know the effective date of the legislative change.
a) I disagree with his comment that 'the number of pilots affected should be small' (and told him so - with no response of course). In our experience most of our IR renewals are only renewing the IR, not the MEP, as they want to have a current IR on their cv, but know that the airlines are not interested in the MEP being current.
b) the new rules are likely to be implemented sometime around October this year. Until then the old rules still apply, i.e. you can do a renewal, or a revalidation, in the FNPT2 every year.
It is a revalidation if you do it before the expiry date, and a renewal if you do it after the expiry date.
One point to note is the fact that once this rule is implemented you will not be able to use the FNPT2 to renew your IR, i.e. once you pass your expiry date (even by one day) you will have to do the renewal in the aircraft.
Linda
The proposed amendment to the ANO is imminently to go to the Department for Transport for transposition into the law. This process will take some 3 months. The amendment changes the reference to JAR-FCL to Amendment 5 (although we will have Amendment 6 before that happens!). Until then Amendment 3 is the reference which permits (or can be interpreted to permit) the use of FNPTs for IR revalidation and renewal. There is still a question mark over whether this change will need to go to open consultation as it may have a cost impact in having to use an aeroplane for renewals and alternating revalidations. However, the number of pilots affected should be very small as IR revalidation is normally combined with the class or type rating proficiency check. It would thus normally only apply to the holder of a multi-engine IR who is only flying SEP class aeroplanes. DfT will no doubt decide. Once the proposed amendment is laid before parliament we will know the effective date of the legislative change.
a) I disagree with his comment that 'the number of pilots affected should be small' (and told him so - with no response of course). In our experience most of our IR renewals are only renewing the IR, not the MEP, as they want to have a current IR on their cv, but know that the airlines are not interested in the MEP being current.
b) the new rules are likely to be implemented sometime around October this year. Until then the old rules still apply, i.e. you can do a renewal, or a revalidation, in the FNPT2 every year.
It is a revalidation if you do it before the expiry date, and a renewal if you do it after the expiry date.
One point to note is the fact that once this rule is implemented you will not be able to use the FNPT2 to renew your IR, i.e. once you pass your expiry date (even by one day) you will have to do the renewal in the aircraft.
Linda
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Thanks very much Linda, I think I'll get my revalidation done ASAP before the new rules come into effect. I'll be starting a type rating in the next 3-4 months so I too only need a valid IR and not the ME class rating as well!
ME/IR renewal
Hello everyone,
Time as ever seems to have crept up on me and my JAA multi runs out early September. My JAA IR runs out in January.
To save cost I think the best thing would be to do the IR early together with the Multi. Does anyone know any places maybe in the the Midlands where ME/IR can be done? Also I have access to N reg twin can you do it in that so reducing the cost of having to rent a twin?
Also I might be doing a type rating in January could the IR renewal be done or signed off in that meaning that I would have to do just the multi in September?
Anyone got any solutions would be much appreciated.
Best regards
Mooneyboy
Time as ever seems to have crept up on me and my JAA multi runs out early September. My JAA IR runs out in January.
To save cost I think the best thing would be to do the IR early together with the Multi. Does anyone know any places maybe in the the Midlands where ME/IR can be done? Also I have access to N reg twin can you do it in that so reducing the cost of having to rent a twin?
Also I might be doing a type rating in January could the IR renewal be done or signed off in that meaning that I would have to do just the multi in September?
Anyone got any solutions would be much appreciated.
Best regards
Mooneyboy
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Hi
If its your first Type Rating you need to have a current SPA IR. The cheapest route is to forget about your MEP rating and just renew your IR in an FNPT2 simulator. I guess the closest place to you would be The Flight Centre at Wolverhampton Business Airport.
If its your first Type Rating you need to have a current SPA IR. The cheapest route is to forget about your MEP rating and just renew your IR in an FNPT2 simulator. I guess the closest place to you would be The Flight Centre at Wolverhampton Business Airport.
Thanks for the reply Mercenary pilot. I would really need to get my multi because I am actively flying a twin at the moment. I will probaly give Wolverhampton I good look I heard they are meant to be very good there. Knew about the FNPT 2 renewal for IR at another well known place and it turned out very expensive about what I would expect to pay for just the plane for a proper flight test.
Also my apologese for posting a new thread again as ME/IR renewal when there was already one a few slots down
. Think I need to practice my scan!
Best regards,
Mooneyboy.
Also my apologese for posting a new thread again as ME/IR renewal when there was already one a few slots down
. Think I need to practice my scan!Best regards,
Mooneyboy.
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Intrument rating revalidation/renewal
Hi all
couple of questions for you, about to start Type Rating an the next two months but my IR expires in two weeks.
1) is it now mandatory to have a valid IR in order to embark on you first Type Rating?? some say it isnt but then some new legislation leads me to believe that it now has to be current.
2)also has the ruling come into effect now that states if your IR lapses then you must renew it in the actual aircraft as opposed to simply revalidating it in the sim?
Thanx very much in anticipation or replies..
Dragstrut
couple of questions for you, about to start Type Rating an the next two months but my IR expires in two weeks.
1) is it now mandatory to have a valid IR in order to embark on you first Type Rating?? some say it isnt but then some new legislation leads me to believe that it now has to be current.
2)also has the ruling come into effect now that states if your IR lapses then you must renew it in the actual aircraft as opposed to simply revalidating it in the sim?
Thanx very much in anticipation or replies..
Dragstrut
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Two small points:
1) The rule about alternating sim/ aircraft for renewals still has not come into force, despite being in LASORS 2006. Linda's post above is still valid and current.
2) Although you need a valid IR to commence an initial type rating, don't forget that if you're flying a multi-pilot aircraft, you end up with a MPA IR at the end of the TR. Your ME(SPA)IR doesn't give you MPA IR privileges and your MPA IR doesn't give you SPA IR privileges. Therefore if you have a shiny type rating on a 737 or something and still want to fly in clouds in your PA34, you still need to renew your old IR separately. Phew!
1) The rule about alternating sim/ aircraft for renewals still has not come into force, despite being in LASORS 2006. Linda's post above is still valid and current.
2) Although you need a valid IR to commence an initial type rating, don't forget that if you're flying a multi-pilot aircraft, you end up with a MPA IR at the end of the TR. Your ME(SPA)IR doesn't give you MPA IR privileges and your MPA IR doesn't give you SPA IR privileges. Therefore if you have a shiny type rating on a 737 or something and still want to fly in clouds in your PA34, you still need to renew your old IR separately. Phew!
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Medical Renewal / Revalidation
How about Medical Revalidation/Renewal:
I still have no job and therefore I would like to extend only my Medical Class 1 if my Medical class 2 runs off soon, in order to save a little money.
a) May I re-activate my Medical Class 1, after an expiration date of scarcely one year, easily by AME? or do I have to go even to the AMC? How it is regulated in UK?
b) How much does an AME approximately cost for a Medical Class 1 in UK?
Thanks
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Schimmel,
If you renew Class 1, you automatically have Class 2 privileges, so no need to do a separate class 2 medical.
All costs for medicals in the UK are set by the AME individually so it is worth shopping around - I paid £60 last year for a class 1 and £110 the year before!
You can go to any AME that does Class 1 medicals to renew your class 1. There is no difference if you last held a class 1 some time ago or are just renewing normally.
If you need to know more, this is the medical section at the CAA website:
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?categoryid=49
See especially the section 'find an AME' to locate a doctor for you.
If you renew Class 1, you automatically have Class 2 privileges, so no need to do a separate class 2 medical.
All costs for medicals in the UK are set by the AME individually so it is worth shopping around - I paid £60 last year for a class 1 and £110 the year before!
You can go to any AME that does Class 1 medicals to renew your class 1. There is no difference if you last held a class 1 some time ago or are just renewing normally.
If you need to know more, this is the medical section at the CAA website:
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?categoryid=49
See especially the section 'find an AME' to locate a doctor for you.
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well i rang the CAA this morning about the IR renewel in a sim - they reckon as i used sim last year its an aircraft this year ! does anyone have the definative answer ?
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Yes - ring them again and ask to speak to Mike Grierson. He told my examiner last Tuesday that sim is still acceptable every year for now and I completed same last Friday.As a back-up, PM Linda Mollinson above and ask for the name of the person who signed that letter - more evidence.
Sheesh - CAA really don't help do they?
Good luck
