ME & IR questions (inc. renewal)

[EGCC4284]

I did the last 8 hours of my 28 hour CPL course on the multi so as to get the multi rating at the same time as the CPL.

I then did the first 30 hours of the IR training using the single before doing the last 20 hours back on the twin for the IR test.

Its the cheapest way to do it.

[cavortingcheetah]

IR renewal training and testing.

Can any one please make some suggestions as to a quality place in the UK to do some simulated refresher IR flying (min 5 hours) and the IR renewal test? I quite understand that this may necessitate a PM in order not to infringe advertising policy. Thank you.

[Krallu]

Log Instrument Time

Hi all!

When you fly IFR you get the whole time to be IFR time.
But actual instrument time is only logged when you fly only with reference to the instruments.

But how do you do when you fly sometimes into clouds then free of clouds and then back into clouds for a while. You can't sit and time all the time you are in clouds. How do you normally do? Do you estimate with your best judgment the time used solely instruments?

And how about flying with autopilot, is this accounted as instrument time as well if you ar in clouds with autopilot?

Thx!

[hixton]

Instrument Final Approach

Does anyone use any acronyms for checks etc at the final approach fix?

[FlyingForFun]

Yes. Your school will tell you what to use. Just as if you go to an airline, you will be expected to follow airline SOPs and use their checklist, when you do commercial training, you will need to follow the school's SOPs and use their checklist - so (assuming that you are doing an IR course) telling you what checks I use won't help you.

FFF
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[hixton]

Im not looking for help, I was asking to see if there was much difference in the way people tackle the same things.
Feel free to share!

[bunk]

ME/IR questions

ILS inop equipment. We can substitute the MM with CL or PAR, but what if we dont have either? Approach authorized? Change minimums?

[scroggs]

You need to clarify your question and define under which regulations you are working. FAA, CAA, something else?

Scroggs

[bunk]

FAA. If the middle marker on an ILS approach becomes inoperative, can we fly the approach? I know we can substitute the middle marker with a compass locator or PAR. If there is no compass locator and a PAR is not available, can we still fly the ILS? How will our minimums for the approach be affected?
Thanks!

[rhovsquared]

Bunk: it should be noted on the procedure: ie if LOM to ILS 14 is INOP CL may be substituted ... or not... could then change to a Loc only PAR is a total substitute for ILS --- but I've never encountered it ... depends on the procedure I'd say

[scroggs]

The procedure may state that radar or DME is required, but I think it would be an unusual ILS approach where a MM is required. ILS is a precision approach aid on its own, and the go-around point is defined by DA/DH. The only purpose of a MM these days is to define the go-around point for a LOC-only approach. PARs are almost unheard of in the civilian world; they are primarily a military device.

I shall have 6 or so hours to study the Jeppessen manual on the way back to UK tonight, so I'll see if I can get chapter and verse for you.

Scroggs

[bunk]

I cant find anything about inoperative equipment on my Jeppessen plates(except GS out). The only thing I can find in the manual is INOP visual aids and new minimums.
Filip: I just wanted to know if it was authorized to fly. Better to fly an approach with lower minimums if possible, right?

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

IR renewal, with who?

When I go for JAA IR/ME renewal, do I do it with an CAA examiner or with an authourized instructor like the with the FAA. Do I need to send in any application?

[CAT3C AUTOLAND]

You need to do it with an examier who has IR renewal authority. Most schools that teach CPL/IR have one to hand, and it is just a question of booking a slot and doing the test. The test is a lot less formal than the initial, and you don't have to go into class A.

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

Ok thanks a lot for the answere.

[John001]

Wanted: IR test content breakdown

Hi all,

I've been unable to find anything with the search function so perhaps someone can help point me in the right direction.

I'm trying to find some information on what the JAA Instrument rating test entails, I believe there is a standard 'format'? What precisely is examined?
(eg airways flying, RT, non-precision approach etc)
I have a dinosaur dial-up connection so I thought I'd just put out this post before I started downloading lots of JAR files!

regards

John.

[Aim High]

There are two sources:

The CAA website (Guidance for the IR skill test)

http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1303

Keynotes for Pilots The JAA IR Skill Test

[buzzc152]

Basically the format is this (the order of each bit is not necessarily in the order I've stated but the full test will involve each part) :

Briefing (pay the man, £800 almost..... ouch)
45 mins or so to plan.
IFR departure
Airways to destination
1 X precision approach (ie ILS)
Engine failure on go around
General handling (unusual attitudes, partial panel, stalls etc)
1 x hold (assymetric I seem to remember)
1 x non preciosion approach (assymetric again)
Assymetric go-around
Land
Fail...... cry, get drunk, start a fight, have another go next week (ask Dad for another £800)
Pass......run up and down the runway naked like a mad man waving your arms, get drunk, tell girls your a pilot, get laid.

Serioulsy, passing the IR is about the best feeling ever.

[charliejulietthotel]

MECR

Hi, just wandering what questions people were asked on their multi engine class rating test, how deep into subjects such as performance and principals of flight do the questions go, I’m doing it on a Seneca if that makes any difference?! Thanks for any information, much appreciated. CJH

[jasperyellow]

I did my MECR on the Seneca too. The questions I was asked were all very straightforward and could all be found in the aircraft handbook. You need to demonstrate to the examiner that you have an apppreciation of the systems on the aircraft. The questions I was asked needed me to know the type of flaps on the Seneca, the maximum fuel on board, how the heater works and which tank feeds the heater amongst others. Basically read the pilots handbook and use some common sense and you will be fine - do remember though that you are being tested for a multi engine class rating and not just a Seneca rating so some of the questions may be concerning the class of aircraft rather than just being Seneca specific.