Why aren't there more integrated courses around?
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scroggs,
why would the costs involved in setting up an integrated school be so much bigger than for a modular one? Apart from groundschools, the modular schools have everything you need anyway, ie the planes and instructors.
Admittedly setting up an atpl ground school might be a considerable task, with high start up costs, but I see no reason why a school should not be able to offer zero to FATPL "in air" training, once someone has passed all their atpl theory exams elsewhere.
The ground school and the flying training are essentially two separate entites, and do not by any means need to be taught at the same place. I know that u need to get ur ppl b4 starting at somewher like bristol or london met, but that requirement could easily be removed.
The only difference between the flying side of integrated and modular courses is that with modular you take a ppl skills test, with integrated you go straight to the cpl test. ie bugger all.
Oh, a mod school would also need to set itself up for doing MCCs as well, which might cost a bit, but dont a number of the modular schools provide MCCs already?
why would the costs involved in setting up an integrated school be so much bigger than for a modular one? Apart from groundschools, the modular schools have everything you need anyway, ie the planes and instructors.
Admittedly setting up an atpl ground school might be a considerable task, with high start up costs, but I see no reason why a school should not be able to offer zero to FATPL "in air" training, once someone has passed all their atpl theory exams elsewhere.
The ground school and the flying training are essentially two separate entites, and do not by any means need to be taught at the same place. I know that u need to get ur ppl b4 starting at somewher like bristol or london met, but that requirement could easily be removed.
The only difference between the flying side of integrated and modular courses is that with modular you take a ppl skills test, with integrated you go straight to the cpl test. ie bugger all.
Oh, a mod school would also need to set itself up for doing MCCs as well, which might cost a bit, but dont a number of the modular schools provide MCCs already?
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X3k5 does seem like a Oxford employee, interesting that you say you are 17 and still at school, but know what BA want.
I don't I am 36 have a job on the 737 and did almost all my training at Cranebank (BA's in house training centre)a few months ago. I had the chance to talk to a BA training Captain, he had just had a couple of students doing their LST's (on the 737 as well) and they were ex Oxford intergrated. They had also had to PAY BA for their type rating, so intergrated gets you a job, but you still have to pay another 20K or so........
I don't I am 36 have a job on the 737 and did almost all my training at Cranebank (BA's in house training centre)a few months ago. I had the chance to talk to a BA training Captain, he had just had a couple of students doing their LST's (on the 737 as well) and they were ex Oxford intergrated. They had also had to PAY BA for their type rating, so intergrated gets you a job, but you still have to pay another 20K or so........
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As far as I am aware both Atlantic Flight Training and Bournemouth Commercial Flight Training offer all courses from PPL to MCC. Maybe the owners take the view that there is no commercial advantage/benefit to training by offering an integrated course.
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Now Now X3k5 I did no expect to get such a scathing reply. Your comments have shown me you are young and VERY mature, god I wish I was like you........
Whats lol mean??????
SO to the main part of my post, Oxford students who have already paid over sixty thousand pounds are also having to pay for type ratings with BA, but of course you knew that all along didn't you young man?
I will not be drawn in to arguments regarding the blowing of sixty thousand pounds, it is pointless as you have already decided what you want at the grand old age of 17 and are blind to the wisdom of others, I don't mean my self, but the likes of Scroggs (he knows the score).
I have now recived a PM from this young man it reads:
"http://www.oxfordaviation.net/Forum/...?TOPIC_ID=2669
Go there and see my post, username X3.
Check my email there and check it here. You will see its the same person. And Im an oxford employee???? lmao"
Whats lol mean??????
SO to the main part of my post, Oxford students who have already paid over sixty thousand pounds are also having to pay for type ratings with BA, but of course you knew that all along didn't you young man?
I will not be drawn in to arguments regarding the blowing of sixty thousand pounds, it is pointless as you have already decided what you want at the grand old age of 17 and are blind to the wisdom of others, I don't mean my self, but the likes of Scroggs (he knows the score).
I have now recived a PM from this young man it reads:
"http://www.oxfordaviation.net/Forum/...?TOPIC_ID=2669
Go there and see my post, username X3.
Check my email there and check it here. You will see its the same person. And Im an oxford employee???? lmao"
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Thanks for that, I keep getting emails with lol and never understand them
Good Luck, whatever route you take, you will always remember the first time you fly a jet on base training.
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Good Luck, whatever route you take, you will always remember the first time you fly a jet on base training.
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having read X3s posts on the OAT forum it would appear that his story does add up, he also seems to be a very bright lad with 11 gcses, including 5a stars, and is studying maths, physics, chemistry and biology A-levels, with predicted A grades. Impressive to say the least.
Therefore I apologise to him for accusing him of being an OAT staff member.
It is unfortunate however, that due to OATs previous shamefully deceptive actions of using staff members to pose as prospective students on pprune as a means of promoting their organisation, (remember nimbus5?) anyone who is so in favour of OAT, such as X3k5, will automatically be viewed with suspision, particularly when they seem to quote in a parrot like fashion from OATs markting brochure.
X3k5, I understand you are unsure as to whether or not to go for a degree before flying training. Personally I think you should. With your academic aptitude you would probalby get into one of the top universities and eat a degree for breakfast. Plus, with no responsibilites you will have the time of your life, with nothing to worry about apart from drinking and getting into as many girls knickers as you can. You will only be 21 when you finish, having gained a great deal more maturity than you have now, (no offence but you are only 17) and be a more attractive proposition to an airline. Perhaps then you might have enough life experience to see through OATs facade and make wiser decisions regarding your training. I wish you all the best!
Therefore I apologise to him for accusing him of being an OAT staff member.
It is unfortunate however, that due to OATs previous shamefully deceptive actions of using staff members to pose as prospective students on pprune as a means of promoting their organisation, (remember nimbus5?) anyone who is so in favour of OAT, such as X3k5, will automatically be viewed with suspision, particularly when they seem to quote in a parrot like fashion from OATs markting brochure.
X3k5, I understand you are unsure as to whether or not to go for a degree before flying training. Personally I think you should. With your academic aptitude you would probalby get into one of the top universities and eat a degree for breakfast. Plus, with no responsibilites you will have the time of your life, with nothing to worry about apart from drinking and getting into as many girls knickers as you can. You will only be 21 when you finish, having gained a great deal more maturity than you have now, (no offence but you are only 17) and be a more attractive proposition to an airline. Perhaps then you might have enough life experience to see through OATs facade and make wiser decisions regarding your training. I wish you all the best!
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Hello again all,
I think someone hit it on the head a while back about why Oxford charges upwards of 60k for a course which can be cheaper elsewhere.
They have probably worked out that at that cost they get just enough people through the doors to have enough bright, able people to fill their capacity. Any more then it is just the super-rich and any less and they would be filling their slots but making less money. As I believe scroggs said it is not done on a reverse basis by starting at how much it is going to cost per head.
I think someone hit it on the head a while back about why Oxford charges upwards of 60k for a course which can be cheaper elsewhere.
They have probably worked out that at that cost they get just enough people through the doors to have enough bright, able people to fill their capacity. Any more then it is just the super-rich and any less and they would be filling their slots but making less money. As I believe scroggs said it is not done on a reverse basis by starting at how much it is going to cost per head.
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I too am in favour of integrated, it is a better way to get an FATPL for sure. The cost difference however is too much by far.
Think what you can do with the 30k youd save by going modular. It is a hell of a lot of money, or if you need to take a loan out to pay for the training, think how much lower the repayments would be. A mate of mine went to OAT, and fair play to em he got an FO job after 6 months. He is however completely crippled by his loan repayments, about 800quid a month I think, to the extent that he cant even afford to put petrol in his car and will not be able to buy a house for about 10 yrs!
jb5000... exactly. It is a market led cost, rather than one properly calculated through profit margins, etc.
Think what you can do with the 30k youd save by going modular. It is a hell of a lot of money, or if you need to take a loan out to pay for the training, think how much lower the repayments would be. A mate of mine went to OAT, and fair play to em he got an FO job after 6 months. He is however completely crippled by his loan repayments, about 800quid a month I think, to the extent that he cant even afford to put petrol in his car and will not be able to buy a house for about 10 yrs!
jb5000... exactly. It is a market led cost, rather than one properly calculated through profit margins, etc.
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