Which ATPL Ground School?
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Not sure if you have considered Bristol. One thing is for sure when you commence your studies their feedback is a must!! I'm a student on Oxfords' APP course and i can honestly say their instructing is fantastic!!! They definately have the most charasmatic instructors who are always willing to give you a helping hand!! The guys at OAT definately know their stuff and if you're considering doing modular/integrated i would definately recommend visiting Oxford. There is just one downside their feedback is pretty poor!!! But like i say Bristols' is awesome!!
All the best with your studies and i hope my post helped.
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All the best with your studies and i hope my post helped.
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If you're going to pay £60k to £80k for flight training, surely you would expect good feedback when doing your ATPL writtens? You shouldn't need to spend more money paying for a service from a ground school provider which should be well-looked after by your FTO. I'm not attacking any FTO, but if you're shelling out big money, you would expect them to have this sorted.
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I think LOndon Met is the only Uni that provides the JAA ATPL, all but one of the rest are privately run courses. The other one is at a college in Glasgow and is very similar to Uni only slightly smaller and has all the facilities a college can provide ie gym, pool, halls of residence, refectory, library. It is Glasgow College of Nautical Studies and Glasgow is a great city. www.gcns.ac.uk/aviation
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atpl courses .... help me please .......
hello im from france .english is not my mothertongue .i will try to write in english.i am looking for a place for the jaa atpl courses .the jaa tells that the minimum hours for the atpl courses is 650 hours .in france all the school teaches about 1500 h of ground studies .so they teach you more than the jaa reglementation and more than you need to know ..
i want to do my atpl in english.about your opinion what is the school where the jaa atpl courses is not very difficult .
i explain myself .i have got some friend who try to do their atpl in a belgian flight training ( www.hubair.be).every two day you have a test to determine what is your level in the subject. it was for them very difficult to have their atpl in this fto .so they didnt get their atpl because the level of the school was very high.they mooved to another school in belgium and get easier the atpl because the school teach you how to pass the exam and not more than you need to know.for example londonmet teaches you 650 hours of ground studies for the atpl courses and in the same time the glasgow college teaches you 850 hours ..i know that according to my level i dont have the level to go to the schools live oxford or cabair or flight trainig europe .can someone tells me where is the place that the atpl courses is explained not in the most difficult way but in clear terms and what is the school that teaches you only what you need to know for the exam and not more .
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i want to do my atpl in english.about your opinion what is the school where the jaa atpl courses is not very difficult .
i explain myself .i have got some friend who try to do their atpl in a belgian flight training ( www.hubair.be).every two day you have a test to determine what is your level in the subject. it was for them very difficult to have their atpl in this fto .so they didnt get their atpl because the level of the school was very high.they mooved to another school in belgium and get easier the atpl because the school teach you how to pass the exam and not more than you need to know.for example londonmet teaches you 650 hours of ground studies for the atpl courses and in the same time the glasgow college teaches you 850 hours ..i know that according to my level i dont have the level to go to the schools live oxford or cabair or flight trainig europe .can someone tells me where is the place that the atpl courses is explained not in the most difficult way but in clear terms and what is the school that teaches you only what you need to know for the exam and not more .
thank you
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hello normann
A good school would be Atlantic flight training in coventry www.flyaft.com
I'm half way through my first term and very happy with the school, as you wanted, they dont teach you more than whats required by the JAA
prices are reasonable too
Good luck
A good school would be Atlantic flight training in coventry www.flyaft.com
I'm half way through my first term and very happy with the school, as you wanted, they dont teach you more than whats required by the JAA
prices are reasonable too
Good luck
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Don't be too concerned with the hours. If you are studying by distance learning, then these time are only a guide. It will take as long as it takes, depending on your existing knowledge and experience. With Distance learning, you will aslo be required to attend 2 sets of 2 week brush up courses at the relevent school.
Having said that, most schools in the UK base their syllabus around the 650 hours total. If you attend a full time course then this will take around 6-7 months in total. Studying distance learing (DL) can take anywhere from the same time, up to many years to complete. As I said before, depends on the person.
All the schools in the UK are good, and have a reasonable pass rate. Try and get as much feedback questions as you can. Learn the subject, do the feedback questions, then use the feedback to highlight any parts that you are not confident with. Repeat process until you cant think of anything other than calvert lighting systems, then sit the exam, pass, then process to nearest bar to celebrate.
Best school in the UK? Who knows! I'm sure this thread will end up with a list of people recommending their own school. Anyhoo but here is a list of their webbie sites.
Brizzol
Cabair
Oxford
AFT
Glasgae ya wee chube!
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Having said that, most schools in the UK base their syllabus around the 650 hours total. If you attend a full time course then this will take around 6-7 months in total. Studying distance learing (DL) can take anywhere from the same time, up to many years to complete. As I said before, depends on the person.
All the schools in the UK are good, and have a reasonable pass rate. Try and get as much feedback questions as you can. Learn the subject, do the feedback questions, then use the feedback to highlight any parts that you are not confident with. Repeat process until you cant think of anything other than calvert lighting systems, then sit the exam, pass, then process to nearest bar to celebrate.
Best school in the UK? Who knows! I'm sure this thread will end up with a list of people recommending their own school. Anyhoo but here is a list of their webbie sites.
Brizzol
Cabair
Oxford
AFT
Glasgae ya wee chube!
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I did distance learning course with Bristol Groundschool. 14 first time passes with 92% average. Instructors are all retired military or commercial pilots/engineers/navigators. Hard 18 months, but results speak for themselves. I would highly recommend them, but be prepared to forego your social life.
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atpl in clear and easy terms .purpose "the exam
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can someone tells me the name of the schools in any european country where the jaa atpl is explained in clear and easy terms and where the purpose of the atpl courses is to pass the exam and not to have aeronautical culture .
any country will be ok ( uk spain .belgium etc..
thank you
can someone tells me the name of the schools in any european country where the jaa atpl is explained in clear and easy terms and where the purpose of the atpl courses is to pass the exam and not to have aeronautical culture .
any country will be ok ( uk spain .belgium etc..
thank you
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There are many ways as to how to achieve your JAA ATPL. In addition, there are loads of school scattered around Europe which offer JAA ATPL courses.
If you have no flying experience and would like to achieve a JAA ATPL, you are probably referring to the kind of course which takes you all the way through - and for this, there are two ways to go about it, Integrated or Structured Modular.
If you have some flying experience (i.e. JAA Private Pilot's Licence) then you are probably referring to the Modular ATPL course where you can do any licence or rating you want, in what order you like.
I am assuming that you are in the first case:
Option 1 is going Integrated. This applies only if you can invest large amounts of money in flight training. As far as I know, the only Flight Training Organisations (FTOs) that provide JAA Approved Integrated ATPL training (from zero hours to frozen ATPL) are CABAIR and Flight Training Europe in Jerez. I am not sure about Oxford Aviation Training in the United Kingdom.
Option 2 is going Modular. For this route, you must first obtain a JAA PPL, then study and get passes in all 14 ATPL theory exams. These can be done via distance learning courses with schools such as Bristol.gs or GTS. At this point, all your theory is basically done. What's left is the flying.
Following that you must do the CPL and IR (it does not matter in which order). There are various schools which can train you for the CPL and IR around Europe, and even in the USA (but be careful). Renowned schools for CPL/IR in Europe include (others that I haven't yet mentioned):
United Kingdom
Stapleford Flight Centre
Bristol Flying Centre
Spain
Aerofan
Aeromadrid
Greece
Egnatia Aviation
USA
Orlando Flight Training
Of course, there are loads of other schools around, but these are the well-renowned ones.
I hope that helps. Feel free to ask any more questions.
aircockroaches
There are many ways as to how to achieve your JAA ATPL. In addition, there are loads of school scattered around Europe which offer JAA ATPL courses.
If you have no flying experience and would like to achieve a JAA ATPL, you are probably referring to the kind of course which takes you all the way through - and for this, there are two ways to go about it, Integrated or Structured Modular.
If you have some flying experience (i.e. JAA Private Pilot's Licence) then you are probably referring to the Modular ATPL course where you can do any licence or rating you want, in what order you like.
I am assuming that you are in the first case:
Option 1 is going Integrated. This applies only if you can invest large amounts of money in flight training. As far as I know, the only Flight Training Organisations (FTOs) that provide JAA Approved Integrated ATPL training (from zero hours to frozen ATPL) are CABAIR and Flight Training Europe in Jerez. I am not sure about Oxford Aviation Training in the United Kingdom.
Option 2 is going Modular. For this route, you must first obtain a JAA PPL, then study and get passes in all 14 ATPL theory exams. These can be done via distance learning courses with schools such as Bristol.gs or GTS. At this point, all your theory is basically done. What's left is the flying.
Following that you must do the CPL and IR (it does not matter in which order). There are various schools which can train you for the CPL and IR around Europe, and even in the USA (but be careful). Renowned schools for CPL/IR in Europe include (others that I haven't yet mentioned):
United Kingdom
Stapleford Flight Centre
Bristol Flying Centre
Spain
Aerofan
Aeromadrid
Greece
Egnatia Aviation
USA
Orlando Flight Training
Of course, there are loads of other schools around, but these are the well-renowned ones.
I hope that helps. Feel free to ask any more questions.
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I'm afraid the exam questions are not in clear English. My first language is English and I have trouble sometimes! I know guys on our course from Italy and the Faroes so I have great admiration for their efforts.
The following is biased. If you were going to describe my flight school as such "the purpose of the atpl courses is to pass the exam and not to have aeronautical culture", by which then I could go along with that.
Depends what you mean by "aeronautical culture"? Being keen on aircraft is good thing, but taking a bit too superior, perhaps aloof, attitude could be a bad thing.
The following is biased. If you were going to describe my flight school as such "the purpose of the atpl courses is to pass the exam and not to have aeronautical culture", by which then I could go along with that.
Depends what you mean by "aeronautical culture"? Being keen on aircraft is good thing, but taking a bit too superior, perhaps aloof, attitude could be a bad thing.
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and where the purpose of the atpl courses is to pass the exam and not to have aeronautical culture
Aeronautical culture (as i interpret it) is great, if you mean people and ettiquite.
If you mean company culture, it's good to understand so that you end flying somewhere where you will be happy and fit in.
if you mean blame culture, it's good to understand and avoid
infact, i'll go as far as saying that understanding aeronautical culture will save your life one day!
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hello sorry for my english .i m french.
it has a difference about the atpl level in europe .
in uk it is 650 hours for the classroom for 6 months in france it is 1500 hours for 12 months .
the french atpl s books and courses are more based on maths and physics more than the other european country . try to have a look on the french manual of " mermoz institute in paris " and make a comparaison with jeppesen or oxford : they are more easier to understand for all the 14 subjects than the french manual.
the purpose of the atpl courses in france is not to help you to pass the exam and to have it .but it is to prepare you to have aeronautical background .you will learn more than the jaa requirements and it is very difficult to learn what will help you exactly for the exam.
i give you an example ..in a french institute called " creufop in the south of france they have studied more than 50 hours on the engine .in the exam it has 3 questions only for the engines.they never teach you the essential .i need only to find a atpl institute in europe who will tech me the essential for the exam and not more.
if someone can help me ..thank you and sorry for my english
it has a difference about the atpl level in europe .
in uk it is 650 hours for the classroom for 6 months in france it is 1500 hours for 12 months .
the french atpl s books and courses are more based on maths and physics more than the other european country . try to have a look on the french manual of " mermoz institute in paris " and make a comparaison with jeppesen or oxford : they are more easier to understand for all the 14 subjects than the french manual.
the purpose of the atpl courses in france is not to help you to pass the exam and to have it .but it is to prepare you to have aeronautical background .you will learn more than the jaa requirements and it is very difficult to learn what will help you exactly for the exam.
i give you an example ..in a french institute called " creufop in the south of france they have studied more than 50 hours on the engine .in the exam it has 3 questions only for the engines.they never teach you the essential .i need only to find a atpl institute in europe who will tech me the essential for the exam and not more.
if someone can help me ..thank you and sorry for my english
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In that case, use Bristol groundschool, if you ask them nicely I'm sure they'll post the groundschool notes to france whence you could study there, london met and glasgow also do good courses I am told.
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I heard through the grapevine that the learning objectives are in the process of changing. I am not sure when they will come into force but I believe a lot of the duplication across the subjects has been or will be removed. I suggest you give someone like Alex at BGS a call and put the question to him. It might also help you plan when you embark on the study for the exams and will make sure that you don't waste any time studying anything unnecessary.
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I might have to do my training and studies part-time, starting with my PPL. In order speed things up a bit can I do my ATPL ground school at the same time as my PPL, as long as I get my PPL before I take the ATPL exams?
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Aircockroaches,
You forgot one Integrated provider and they don't cost loads of money.
WA Aviation College
http://www.waaviationcollege.com.au/
Fee is shown on the website. Compares very favorably with Modular.
DOM462
You MUST have a PPL licence (any ICAO) before you may commence training for the ATPL exams. Your training provider (School) should take a copy of your licence before allowing you to enroll.
W1
You forgot one Integrated provider and they don't cost loads of money.
WA Aviation College
http://www.waaviationcollege.com.au/
Fee is shown on the website. Compares very favorably with Modular.
DOM462
You MUST have a PPL licence (any ICAO) before you may commence training for the ATPL exams. Your training provider (School) should take a copy of your licence before allowing you to enroll.
W1
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Thanks. I guess there is no harm in getting some atpl books off ebay or somewhere and study independently while I am doing my PPL and before I enroll.
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Oxford or Cabair groundschool?
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Ive searched for the particular answer im looking for already on threads but havent found one, can anyone from their own opinion recommend which FTO out of the two will be better for full-time GS? I know oxford charge £4,000, couldnt find out the price of cabair on website, anyone know?
The reason im doing the GS first is purely because i cant at the moment afford the Oxford APP, i havent asked oxford yet, but will it be possible to join the APP after i have my groundschool and skip that part of the training once i have the £££?
All help appreciated, thanks
Ive searched for the particular answer im looking for already on threads but havent found one, can anyone from their own opinion recommend which FTO out of the two will be better for full-time GS? I know oxford charge £4,000, couldnt find out the price of cabair on website, anyone know?
The reason im doing the GS first is purely because i cant at the moment afford the Oxford APP, i havent asked oxford yet, but will it be possible to join the APP after i have my groundschool and skip that part of the training once i have the £££?
All help appreciated, thanks
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From my contract on the cabair integrated course i'm pretty sure the groundschool was about the same price, circa £4k but i'd ring them to find out, having done it i'd say it was very good as long as your willing to put the work in.