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The food ... and not included in the price.
Even the convenience, camaraderie, undoubted shenanigans (!) and 24-hour wireless access to PPRuNe ain't worth that price hike.
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Nice put down, but as you say you have only been to Oxford, personally I would say Bristol are better, but then again I went there myself.
All the groundschools are good, they must be according to Darwin's rules of natrual selection.
BGS are exellent but I really don't think they can be that much better then OAT, if better at all.
All the groundschools are good, they must be according to Darwin's rules of natrual selection.
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Really have to say its worth sorting your own accom out if going to oats.
3 bed house in kidlington we paid 800 a month so thats £266 each. That was a nice place too (compare that to !150 a week/600 a month).
Later we upgraded to woodstock, still 800 a month, 2 bed place bed used dining room as a bedroom so still £266 a month and a cool little village with fantastic pubs.
No social life in groundschool !!?? dont you believe it. If you dont break away from the study you will go insane enter groundhog days and start pulling your hair out !! finish study 9.30/10 every night and go out for an hour or 2 for a couple of jars. Groud school I had so much fun it was fantastic.... but one tip, dont go out for abig night the day before you start lectures on Gyros !! You will never recover from that !!
We cycled to school, just being able to get away from the place was a god send, as for wireless internet www.v21.com broadband no minimum signup term and it's £20 a month can cancel anytime.
It's really worth looking for a place off site, took me an afternoon to sort each property.
One tip.. if you dont know anyone in your class, stay in halls for the first week or 2 to figure out who you are gonna get on with then all get a place together. The notice board and agencies always has people with properties. The EPST gusy stay in halls becasue I think it is part of their package, I dont think they have a choice (I may be wrong) but please please do try to live of site if you can - you wont start rocking back and forth in your chair so early if you do. Well thats my thoughts on that
3 bed house in kidlington we paid 800 a month so thats £266 each. That was a nice place too (compare that to !150 a week/600 a month).
Later we upgraded to woodstock, still 800 a month, 2 bed place bed used dining room as a bedroom so still £266 a month and a cool little village with fantastic pubs.
No social life in groundschool !!?? dont you believe it. If you dont break away from the study you will go insane enter groundhog days and start pulling your hair out !! finish study 9.30/10 every night and go out for an hour or 2 for a couple of jars. Groud school I had so much fun it was fantastic.... but one tip, dont go out for abig night the day before you start lectures on Gyros !! You will never recover from that !!
We cycled to school, just being able to get away from the place was a god send, as for wireless internet www.v21.com broadband no minimum signup term and it's £20 a month can cancel anytime.
It's really worth looking for a place off site, took me an afternoon to sort each property.
One tip.. if you dont know anyone in your class, stay in halls for the first week or 2 to figure out who you are gonna get on with then all get a place together. The notice board and agencies always has people with properties. The EPST gusy stay in halls becasue I think it is part of their package, I dont think they have a choice (I may be wrong) but please please do try to live of site if you can - you wont start rocking back and forth in your chair so early if you do. Well thats my thoughts on that
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My mates in London rent an amazing flat, all modern with everything included down to bed linen. All en-suite as well. They have an amazing view and included in that price is access to a brand spanking new gym, health spa, swimming pool/sauna. They also have valet parking and on-site security.
Its a two bed flat, £700 a month each. Not a far cry from £600 a month for a crummy room. Put's things in perspective! What a total rip off
Its a two bed flat, £700 a month each. Not a far cry from £600 a month for a crummy room. Put's things in perspective! What a total rip off
(and i'm already doing both to the max!! lol)
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King Rooney - If you haven't got anything constructive to say, don't bother posting.
However, for the record, the instructors are good at replying to emails, and they have a standard (not premium rate) telephone number should a student have the need to contact them.
However, for the record, the instructors are good at replying to emails, and they have a standard (not premium rate) telephone number should a student have the need to contact them.
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Originally Posted by king rooney
asuweb, dlav and X3k5, are you honestly trying to tell me that £150 a week for a room is a reasonable price?
Looked through your posts rooney and most of it is anti Oxford and anti Intergrated students.
150£ a week is very steep, if i were to go i wouldnt want to stay in house at that price, im sure there are properties for rent in surrounding areas.
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X3K5,
You claim that we don't have any idea how expensive it is to run a flight school. Well that is NOT THE CUSTOMERS PROBLEM (please also note the word 'customer'). My question/proposal to you is do you have any idea how expensive the cost base of running a school should actually be? After all numerous other schools around the globe can achieve the same if not a better standard than OAT for a cheaper price. Like for example over inflated Italian designer clothes, OAT is more brand name than practical outlay of a truely elite form of training.
I doubt very much whether OAT is value for money and if other training providers worldwide are inferior then everyone would flock to OAT. The fact is that other students go on to become equally if not better pilots than OAT graduates, there's nothing exclusive about OAT.
You claim that we don't have any idea how expensive it is to run a flight school. Well that is NOT THE CUSTOMERS PROBLEM (please also note the word 'customer'). My question/proposal to you is do you have any idea how expensive the cost base of running a school should actually be? After all numerous other schools around the globe can achieve the same if not a better standard than OAT for a cheaper price. Like for example over inflated Italian designer clothes, OAT is more brand name than practical outlay of a truely elite form of training.
I doubt very much whether OAT is value for money and if other training providers worldwide are inferior then everyone would flock to OAT. The fact is that other students go on to become equally if not better pilots than OAT graduates, there's nothing exclusive about OAT.
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There are lots of differences between Integrated and Modular which you do not yet seem to understand. Read them up and you will find why Integrated is always more expensive.
In the real world, the majority of the time it costs more to buy flexibility. People pay a a premium for doing things in stages over a longer period of time, around work/life/financial circumstances. Modular is much more expensive than "Integrated". In the world of aviation it's the other way around! Why? Well I think you answered that with this line:
Is that why Integrated graduates have a higher chance of getting a job on average than modular??
If the age of people who done/are doing/are thinking of doing an integrated course was correlated with age, it would prove a thing or two!
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The Search function is not part of the argument you present. When stating something it can quite easily be supplemented by further fact or evidence within the same breath. To merely point someone to the search function allows you to make any claim where it's validity is the responsibility of the Search function. Of course if you require further or more in-depth information you can indeed utilise this function but in your case you wish to dismiss any form of reasoned debate or exchange of comments and hide behind some search option.
OAT IS A GOOD school it is certainly respectable but to have this tantrum of but we spent the most money on setup costs therefore we deserve to be No.1 elludes any practicla validation. Many corporates spend huge amounts of money but rarely if ever exhibit the same tantrum of "but we're OAT".... so? Like anyone and everyone OAT must heed to marketplace protocols, it's only natural.
Those that attend OAT are making ARE NOT making a BAD choice, however we it goes wrong is this 'aviation class system' where anyone going elsewhere is somehow branded inferior. I haven't slated OAT but cannot accept that they are immune from any reasoned argument which should be invited, which for the sums of money involved and commitment from student, partners, familiy, etc.
OAT IS A GOOD school it is certainly respectable but to have this tantrum of but we spent the most money on setup costs therefore we deserve to be No.1 elludes any practicla validation. Many corporates spend huge amounts of money but rarely if ever exhibit the same tantrum of "but we're OAT".... so? Like anyone and everyone OAT must heed to marketplace protocols, it's only natural.
Those that attend OAT are making ARE NOT making a BAD choice, however we it goes wrong is this 'aviation class system' where anyone going elsewhere is somehow branded inferior. I haven't slated OAT but cannot accept that they are immune from any reasoned argument which should be invited, which for the sums of money involved and commitment from student, partners, familiy, etc.
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Correct, the statements ....
"I doubt very much whether OAT is value for money" and also "OAT is a GOOD school" are correct. An expensive restaurant in some upmarket location has great food but ultimately bad value for money. The same may apply to OAT in terms of this sense of 'value' which is irrespective of training standard. However what many interpret from higher cost is the level of training standards and when they mismatch that's simply seen as bad value for money. OAT bring numerous problems upon themselves because of the way they interface each and every aspect of the training community which equates to a somewhat tarnished reputation of their own making.
By the way integrated is in the ideal world the best way forward but upon application of those same realities it can also be seen as an expensive route. At times that option lacks justification especially when the graduate cannot find employment or are unable to keep their flying skills up to speed and all that 'integrated' training begins to rust. Fine for some but not necessarily the most optimum option for many others.
"I doubt very much whether OAT is value for money" and also "OAT is a GOOD school" are correct. An expensive restaurant in some upmarket location has great food but ultimately bad value for money. The same may apply to OAT in terms of this sense of 'value' which is irrespective of training standard. However what many interpret from higher cost is the level of training standards and when they mismatch that's simply seen as bad value for money. OAT bring numerous problems upon themselves because of the way they interface each and every aspect of the training community which equates to a somewhat tarnished reputation of their own making.
By the way integrated is in the ideal world the best way forward but upon application of those same realities it can also be seen as an expensive route. At times that option lacks justification especially when the graduate cannot find employment or are unable to keep their flying skills up to speed and all that 'integrated' training begins to rust. Fine for some but not necessarily the most optimum option for many others.
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i think maybe you should stop just quoting marketing brochures and listen to people who know what they are talking about like scroggs
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Both students come out with generally the same qualifications. A modular student could just as easily find a job before an intergrated student and im sure even before an intergrated student because as said before they may have made their 'face known', networked hard etc etc. On the other hand an intergrated student could just aswell find a job before a modular through say a recomendation etc. Its true BA will only take intergrated pilots from approved schools, cabair, oat, fte, but doesnt mean just because the national carrier doesnt (take modulars) others wont, flybe will happily take modular students but i quote this after asking the question to recuirment at flybe "intergrated students have that edge" dont ask me why or hes wrong, im just saying thats what he said.
People choose intergrated or modular on their own accord, whatever they choose good luck to them, and no one is going to hand anyone that first break, it comes through hard work and perseverance.
*all of this is in respect to the first job, BA would happily take any one who has enough experience.
People choose intergrated or modular on their own accord, whatever they choose good luck to them, and no one is going to hand anyone that first break, it comes through hard work and perseverance.
*all of this is in respect to the first job, BA would happily take any one who has enough experience.
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Exactly!
Then there's absolutely no reason why you should have to go that way, find a cheaper alternative, there are loads, some people want to go intergrated and pay that bit more.
People should not worry about what others do and where they go, everyone is different. Your are not paying their fees they are.
btw not aimed at any1 when saying you/your.
Then there's absolutely no reason why you should have to go that way, find a cheaper alternative, there are loads, some people want to go intergrated and pay that bit more.
People should not worry about what others do and where they go, everyone is different. Your are not paying their fees they are.
btw not aimed at any1 when saying you/your.
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Lets try and be fair with regards to this argument. If you can afford OAT then why not however anyone who's outside that type of 'financial bracket' then they can go to the other (and in my opinion excellent) schools up and down the country. We all know what opinions we harbour personally but attempting to win over people from the other side will take forever.
For every OAT graduate that attempts to present him/herself as the creme de la creme of training should provoke others modular guys to offer an equally compelling counter argument to any potential employer. Don't let OAT's graduates stand on your heads in order to get forward themselves at your expense.
For every OAT graduate that attempts to present him/herself as the creme de la creme of training should provoke others modular guys to offer an equally compelling counter argument to any potential employer. Don't let OAT's graduates stand on your heads in order to get forward themselves at your expense.
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Originally Posted by boogie-nicey
Don't let OAT's graduates stand on your heads in order to get forward themselves at your expense.
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