Multi Crew Co-operation Course (MCC)
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Go for a Jet as it is going to be your first experience before you do a TR or even have a sim assesment for a job.
BCFT in Bournemouth are good on the Tristar L1011.
I did mine there in Jan and it was excellent...Ive recently completed a 737 TR and it was a doddle after flying that beast.
BCFT in Bournemouth are good on the Tristar L1011.
I did mine there in Jan and it was excellent...Ive recently completed a 737 TR and it was a doddle after flying that beast.
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Have you tried selection for the CTC ATP scheme? phase 4 of their selection is the AQC, or airline qualification course. this contains an MCC. If successful they'll place you with 1 of 6 airlines.
Good luck.
Good luck.
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Gillespie definitely has a point there. AQC is the way to go but of course depends on what you wanna do afterwards - if you wanna go fly a turbo prop, go for the king stuff. If you wanna go for an airline jet job, you should go for an airline preparation course, like the AQC - more of an MCC combined with a jet conversion - this gives you bonus points upon recruitment! Downside - more expensive.
Good luck!
Good luck!
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It is a tick box to have, I am now employed in a TP and all that was needed for that was the certificate, where and on what it was done was never discussed.
I see what people say about getting some experience on a jet first though, although most of my MCC was flown on autopilot, a sim assessment will not be, and nor will all of a type rating, of far more use for both of those will be ensuring that your scan is up to speed to be honest, well from my experience anyway. The MCC does introduce you to profiles though and learning settings, checklist management and calls etc.
If money is no object do it on a jet, if it is tight then do it at the cheapest place and spend any spare on a couple of hours in a jet sim nearer the time of a type rating or sim assessment. And keep your scan up!
I see what people say about getting some experience on a jet first though, although most of my MCC was flown on autopilot, a sim assessment will not be, and nor will all of a type rating, of far more use for both of those will be ensuring that your scan is up to speed to be honest, well from my experience anyway. The MCC does introduce you to profiles though and learning settings, checklist management and calls etc.
If money is no object do it on a jet, if it is tight then do it at the cheapest place and spend any spare on a couple of hours in a jet sim nearer the time of a type rating or sim assessment. And keep your scan up!
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Thanks guys for all of your thoughts, they have been a great help!!!!
Im fortunate enough to have already had a few hours sim time in both a 727 and the tristar so the mcc really does appear to be a tick in the box qual. so looks like the cheap option will be ok.
safe flying
Im fortunate enough to have already had a few hours sim time in both a 727 and the tristar so the mcc really does appear to be a tick in the box qual. so looks like the cheap option will be ok.
safe flying
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Just to add...
Gillespie mentioned the CTC scheme, I would seriously look into it if you havn't allready. It offers probably the best way to get into the RHS at a large airline.
Otherwise, have fun with the king-air sim
Gillespie mentioned the CTC scheme, I would seriously look into it if you havn't allready. It offers probably the best way to get into the RHS at a large airline.
Otherwise, have fun with the king-air sim
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Originally Posted by Gillespie
Have you tried selection for the CTC ATP scheme? phase 4 of their selection is the AQC, or airline qualification course. this contains an MCC. If successful they'll place you with 1 of 6 airlines.
Good luck.
Good luck.
however it would be wise to do an MCC course before applying with CTC since if you are not succesfull in the first 3 phases you will still need to do one to get an F-ATPL, apart from the fact that it will give you a headstart for when you do it with CTC.
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although most of my MCC was flown on autopilot
Use the time to the max, you will have paid for it anyway - mention it to your instructor - the CRM/procedures thing is just a formality, you will learn that in TR training later on.
Worked for me but depends very much from the instructor.
OK zooloflyer, having shown that you have a fundamental lack of understanding of what the MCC course is all about, let's get back to the discussion.
The MCC course is defined by JAR-FCL as a non-technical course and the UK CAA, for one, insist that as much as possible is flown with the autopilot engaged. If the STD is hand flown, as zooloflyer suggests, the real point of MCC training cannot be made.
It is clear to me, having to deal with the product of MCC courses on a daily basis, that the most important factor by far is the quality and currency of the instructors. Whether the course is conducted on a turbo-prop, a modern, glass cockpit jet or a super-annuated museum piece like the L-1011 makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.
If you select your MCC training provider based on the quality of instruction and the currency of the instructors and ignore the type of aircraft that the STD seeks to emulate, you will not go far wrong
The MCC course is defined by JAR-FCL as a non-technical course and the UK CAA, for one, insist that as much as possible is flown with the autopilot engaged. If the STD is hand flown, as zooloflyer suggests, the real point of MCC training cannot be made.
It is clear to me, having to deal with the product of MCC courses on a daily basis, that the most important factor by far is the quality and currency of the instructors. Whether the course is conducted on a turbo-prop, a modern, glass cockpit jet or a super-annuated museum piece like the L-1011 makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.
If you select your MCC training provider based on the quality of instruction and the currency of the instructors and ignore the type of aircraft that the STD seeks to emulate, you will not go far wrong
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I'd certainly go for an MCC provider that provides as much hands on flying as possible.
Some consider a tick in the box BUT after having done the MCC in March I'd say it is a MORE tha invaluable tool and a great learning insight.!!
Regards
Some consider a tick in the box BUT after having done the MCC in March I'd say it is a MORE tha invaluable tool and a great learning insight.!!
Regards
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Dear BillieBob,
I am just advising after my own experiences - I had the luck of having an old time airline captain - ex Sabena - so looots of standard procedures and cockpit management! Don't worry.
I also had the luck to get through the simulator evaluations and I spoke to some guys who were autopilot addicted and most of them didn't pass the basic flying sim test.
I guess that if you can't handle the CRM & handflying during an MCC, times will get tough during a TR training which, these days is a mere 15 hrs more than the MCC...glad I was able to fly some ILS's and circuits during my MCC - couldn't have done it without my prior experience.
JAA may be this or that - recent airline CV selection has been done on EFIS MCC or non EFIS MCC because - unfortunately that's just reality to get a job and that's what it is all about - not?
Good luck!
I am just advising after my own experiences - I had the luck of having an old time airline captain - ex Sabena - so looots of standard procedures and cockpit management! Don't worry.
I also had the luck to get through the simulator evaluations and I spoke to some guys who were autopilot addicted and most of them didn't pass the basic flying sim test.
I guess that if you can't handle the CRM & handflying during an MCC, times will get tough during a TR training which, these days is a mere 15 hrs more than the MCC...glad I was able to fly some ILS's and circuits during my MCC - couldn't have done it without my prior experience.
JAA may be this or that - recent airline CV selection has been done on EFIS MCC or non EFIS MCC because - unfortunately that's just reality to get a job and that's what it is all about - not?
Good luck!
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Where to do an MCC!!??
Ok guys. Having only 2 days until i do my IR test, and finish all the nightmare training, i need to find somewhere to do my MCC.
I'm looking for info on a few places.
Coventry - Air Atlantique = With their brand new CRJ sim, they do a MCC/JOC for £5,000.
CTC - The world famous AQC. Has anyone done the "new" selections for it, or are they still the same as the PILAPT that you do for the zero-hero course? £7,000 with a view to a job at the end most likely easyjet.
Parc - Ireland and the hunting ground for Ryanair. £3,500 i think isnt it for just the MCC. Alot of guys getting taken up into 737-800 jobs from there, but Ryanair have stopped recruiting for a while have they not??
Bond - Astreus = £4,000 for an MCC/JOC on 737-400. Dont really know anything about then to be totally hinest apart from the package they offer for £28,000 that is the full 373-800 type and 100 hours online.
Any help guys or ideas of other places to go would be brilliant, and anyone with information on the places listed above, that have finished training and could give us newbies some advice inorder to make an educated decision as to where to spend the hard earned.
Thanks for looking, and good luck to everyone!!
I'm looking for info on a few places.
Coventry - Air Atlantique = With their brand new CRJ sim, they do a MCC/JOC for £5,000.
CTC - The world famous AQC. Has anyone done the "new" selections for it, or are they still the same as the PILAPT that you do for the zero-hero course? £7,000 with a view to a job at the end most likely easyjet.
Parc - Ireland and the hunting ground for Ryanair. £3,500 i think isnt it for just the MCC. Alot of guys getting taken up into 737-800 jobs from there, but Ryanair have stopped recruiting for a while have they not??
Bond - Astreus = £4,000 for an MCC/JOC on 737-400. Dont really know anything about then to be totally hinest apart from the package they offer for £28,000 that is the full 373-800 type and 100 hours online.
Any help guys or ideas of other places to go would be brilliant, and anyone with information on the places listed above, that have finished training and could give us newbies some advice inorder to make an educated decision as to where to spend the hard earned.
Thanks for looking, and good luck to everyone!!
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Coventry - Air Atlantique
www.flyaft.com
They've been of late working hard particularly Ric on getting their CRJ sim certified by the CAA. Not sure where the process stands at the moment.
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MCC in the UK
Can anyone recommend a decent school to do an MCC? Have heard mixed things about London Met uni but it seems to be the cheapest. Have also considered Bournemouth and Parc in Dublin.
Is an MCC just another tick in the box or does it make a difference where u do it?
Advice would be much appreciated
Is an MCC just another tick in the box or does it make a difference where u do it?
Advice would be much appreciated
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the MCC is another tick in the box essentially but its a great time to get sim experience and learn how you will operate in a multi crew enviroment.
When you do sim rides for potential employment then ideally the time during your MCC will help you dearly - so maybe spending that little bit extra on a full motion sim is worth it? just my opinon...I've read some very good reviews on Parc MCC course and don't think you can go much wrong with them.
When you do sim rides for potential employment then ideally the time during your MCC will help you dearly - so maybe spending that little bit extra on a full motion sim is worth it? just my opinon...I've read some very good reviews on Parc MCC course and don't think you can go much wrong with them.
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MCC course
I just finished my ME / IR training in Greece and now I have to find a good place to do the MCC course.
Does anyone know any courses in Europe that have a good reputation? Which places should be avoided?
Does it matter which simulator the course is completed on?
Any other ideas or hints?
Does anyone know any courses in Europe that have a good reputation? Which places should be avoided?
Does it matter which simulator the course is completed on?
Any other ideas or hints?
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BillieBob,
Logic tells me that when raw data hand flying and OEI in a jet sim, the point of the MCC is more pertinant than ever.
I regareded the MCC as an opportunity to get sneak peak at what hopefully lies in store for me.
The MCC course is defined by JAR-FCL as a non-technical course and the UK CAA, for one, insist that as much as possible is flown with the autopilot engaged. If the STD is hand flown, as zooloflyer suggests, the real point of MCC training cannot be made.
I regareded the MCC as an opportunity to get sneak peak at what hopefully lies in store for me.