How many hours needed for....?
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How many hours needed for....?
I've just read an article in The Times today saying that due to the current shortage of airline pilots, ICAO and JAA are looking into reducing the number of hours needed to fly an airliner from 145 down to 70 by the end of 2006. Anyone know any more? Should make it alot cheaper though 
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As much as I'd love to see the price of pilot training reduce, I think anything that could potentially compromise the quality of the pilots flying schools churn out is a big no no in my opinion.
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A spokesman for the CAA said that it was “supportive of the principle” of reforming pilot training. Trainee pilots now spent most of their time flying light aircraft. “After 20 hours they are just pootling about from place to place not necessarily learning a lot. Flying a light aircraft is nothing like flying an airliner.
About 20hours is the sweat point for most people. The hand eye foot stuff hasn't embeded itself yet. The instructor has started to refuse to touch the radio and the swine wants you to get from A to B with the prospect in the near future they might change thier mind and go to C.
And he obviously thinks the effects of controls are different if a plane is called an airliner.
If the spokesperson has been miss quoted fair enough. If he actually came out with that bollocks he should get a right boot up the arse for talking such pish.
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Sep 2005 – JAA starts draft changes to JAR-FCL 1
Oct 2005 - Comments from Contracting States to ICAO
Nov 2005? – JAA completes draft changes to JAR-FCL 1
Jan 2006 ? - JAA goes out to NPA
June 2006? – JAA adoption
Nov 2006 - ICAO effective date
Sep 2007? - First MPLs issued
Oct 2005 - Comments from Contracting States to ICAO
Nov 2005? – JAA completes draft changes to JAR-FCL 1
Jan 2006 ? - JAA goes out to NPA
June 2006? – JAA adoption
Nov 2006 - ICAO effective date
Sep 2007? - First MPLs issued
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Halving of new pilots' flying time raises fears over safety
One thing's for sure, safety would not be any better off...
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The minimum number of flying hours for trainee commercial pilots is to be halved under new rules that are being rushed through despite protests that the changes will be unsafe.?Newly qualified pilots are to be allowed to take control of airliners after only 70 hours’ flying experience. Under the present rules, pilots must accumulate at least 145 flying hours before being entrusted with carrying passengers.??The new training scheme, due to be introduced by the end of the year, places far more emphasis on flying in simulators. The time that trainees spend in simulators will almost double, from 90 to 170 hours.??The changes are being supported by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO), which has come under pressure from Lufthansa, the German airline, to reform pilot licensing. Lufthansa has invested heavily in new simulators and hopes to rent them to pilot training organisations throughout Europe.??But BALPA argues that a simulator is no substitute for real flying experience. Martin Alder, the head of the association’s safety group and an airline captain with 30 years’ experience, said: “Simulators may be amazingly realistic but you always know you will be going home at the end of the day. There is no substitute for the unpredictability of real flying.
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The minimum number of flying hours for trainee commercial pilots is to be halved under new rules that are being rushed through despite protests that the changes will be unsafe.?Newly qualified pilots are to be allowed to take control of airliners after only 70 hours’ flying experience. Under the present rules, pilots must accumulate at least 145 flying hours before being entrusted with carrying passengers.??The new training scheme, due to be introduced by the end of the year, places far more emphasis on flying in simulators. The time that trainees spend in simulators will almost double, from 90 to 170 hours.??The changes are being supported by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO), which has come under pressure from Lufthansa, the German airline, to reform pilot licensing. Lufthansa has invested heavily in new simulators and hopes to rent them to pilot training organisations throughout Europe.??But BALPA argues that a simulator is no substitute for real flying experience. Martin Alder, the head of the association’s safety group and an airline captain with 30 years’ experience, said: “Simulators may be amazingly realistic but you always know you will be going home at the end of the day. There is no substitute for the unpredictability of real flying.
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A British Airways jumbo jet came within four seconds of plunging into an irrecoverable nosedive in December 2000 after a deranged Kenyan student entered the cockpit and grabbed the controls. As the captain grappled with the intruder, the co-pilot used skills that he had learnt while flying RAF Tornados to bring the aircraft back under control. “His flying skills were key to the recovery and we must preserve similar skills in future pilots,” Mr Alder said.
- Written by a journo for the pubic consumption and full of half-factual information.
- Written by a journo for the pubic consumption and full of half-factual information.
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Hours needed before doing multi engine rating?
Just a quick one, does any body out there know how many hours PIC are required b4 one can do ones mep class rating, I vaguely remember a figure of 60 or so.
Its not possible to do it straight after one PPL is it?
Its not possible to do it straight after one PPL is it?
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70 Hours PIC is a requirement to get the rating issued. You could do the training and even the test before you have 70 hours PIC, but most FTOs won't entertain this concept.
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F3.2 REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ADDITION OF AN MEP (LAND) CLASS RATING
An applicant for a class rating for a single-pilot MEP (Land) aeroplane rating must produce evidence of having completed a minimum of 70 hours as pilot-in-command of aeroplanes.
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F3.2 REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ADDITION OF AN MEP (LAND) CLASS RATING
An applicant for a class rating for a single-pilot MEP (Land) aeroplane rating must produce evidence of having completed a minimum of 70 hours as pilot-in-command of aeroplanes.
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You can do the MEP(L) rating right after PPL; I did (a few years ago). You do need 70 hours PIC. Remember that you would have to contend with both a complex (variable pitch prop, retractable gear) and a twin at the same time. Quite feasible, but it might take you more hours (and therefore cost more money) than doing it as part of/after the CPL, ie. after you got to grips with a complex single. Also, the MEP(L) validity is one year, so you might end up having to renew it before you pass the ME/IR.
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Just to check, those 70PIC can be any PIC including time in the circuit? The multi IR requires 50 hrs PIC cross country time, does this have to be done prior to starting multi IR or is it just prior to application for the test? Sorry for hijack of thread, also want to know, cross country time i have logged from start up to shut down, is this incorrect, or should it be only from when you leave the circuit? It's kinda hard to calculate.....
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donno for certain, but I reckon PIC hrs are PIC hrs, whether in the circuit or not. If they wanted 70 x country hours they would say so surely.
Anyway, you shouldnt be spending time in the circuit anyway, get out there and take in the lovely countryside!
Anyway, you shouldnt be spending time in the circuit anyway, get out there and take in the lovely countryside!
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thats good, have got 10 hrs or so from my ppl but havent flown since. So from what i can make out I need 60 more PIC b4 doing the MEP. Cheers.