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I called them today.
What the APP concerns:
- First you need to do basic training (JAA & FAA PPL) (phase 1)
- Then you need to go back to Europe to do the ATPL theory (because you need it to do any further JAA-training (like JAA CPL) (phase 2)
- Then you return to EFT to complete the professional training (phase 3)
- Then you are employed at EFT (phase 4)
In phase 1 & 3 you will study on M1 Visa, phase 4 will be working on J1 visa with a maximum of 2 year.
ps: if you read this don't forget to look at my questions is asked in my previous posting
What the APP concerns:
- First you need to do basic training (JAA & FAA PPL) (phase 1)
- Then you need to go back to Europe to do the ATPL theory (because you need it to do any further JAA-training (like JAA CPL) (phase 2)
- Then you return to EFT to complete the professional training (phase 3)
- Then you are employed at EFT (phase 4)
In phase 1 & 3 you will study on M1 Visa, phase 4 will be working on J1 visa with a maximum of 2 year.
ps: if you read this don't forget to look at my questions is asked in my previous posting
ME APP Program
And the JAA ATPL is done via distance learning while teaching FAA students?
I think I'll give them a ring and ask for an up to date program and cost/s.
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According to this there is no phase 3?
ME APP Program
And the JAA ATPL is done via distance learning while teaching FAA students?
I think I'll give them a ring and ask for an up to date program and cost/s.
ME APP Program
And the JAA ATPL is done via distance learning while teaching FAA students?
I think I'll give them a ring and ask for an up to date program and cost/s.
Otherwise I could not do any further JAA ratings.
Please give them a call and let me know if they answered any questions that would also be interesting for me.
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Alphamale, Capt Relax
I was told that i could to the APP two ways: stay in Florida and do the ATPLS while working as an instructor OR return home and study, then return to EFT for the professional training. It's totallly a personal preference. Personally I am going to do the latter and try to get the exams out of the way, then return to EFT. I also found the website very confusing but in talking to EFT they cleared up a lot of my concerns.
In terms of hours I will receive, EFT said I would expect to attain in the region of 200 multi hours during the course and then 500 instructing and another 500 - 600 hours single engine. I have not got this in writing and I will contact EFT this evening to see if I can get the contract sent out.
In my dealings with EFT so far I have found them to be very accomadting, lets hope it stays that way.
I was told that i could to the APP two ways: stay in Florida and do the ATPLS while working as an instructor OR return home and study, then return to EFT for the professional training. It's totallly a personal preference. Personally I am going to do the latter and try to get the exams out of the way, then return to EFT. I also found the website very confusing but in talking to EFT they cleared up a lot of my concerns.
In terms of hours I will receive, EFT said I would expect to attain in the region of 200 multi hours during the course and then 500 instructing and another 500 - 600 hours single engine. I have not got this in writing and I will contact EFT this evening to see if I can get the contract sent out.
In my dealings with EFT so far I have found them to be very accomadting, lets hope it stays that way.
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Alphamale, Capt Relax
I was told that i could to the APP two ways: stay in Florida and do the ATPLS while working as an instructor OR return home and study, then return to EFT for the professional training. It's totallly a personal preference. Personally I am going to do the latter and try to get the exams out of the way, then return to EFT. I also found the website very confusing but in talking to EFT they cleared up a lot of my concerns.
In terms of hours I will receive, EFT said I would expect to attain in the region of 200 multi hours during the course and then 500 instructing and another 500 - 600 hours single engine. I have not got this in writing and I will contact EFT this evening to see if I can get the contract sent out.
In my dealings with EFT so far I have found them to be very accomadting, lets hope it stays that way.
I was told that i could to the APP two ways: stay in Florida and do the ATPLS while working as an instructor OR return home and study, then return to EFT for the professional training. It's totallly a personal preference. Personally I am going to do the latter and try to get the exams out of the way, then return to EFT. I also found the website very confusing but in talking to EFT they cleared up a lot of my concerns.
In terms of hours I will receive, EFT said I would expect to attain in the region of 200 multi hours during the course and then 500 instructing and another 500 - 600 hours single engine. I have not got this in writing and I will contact EFT this evening to see if I can get the contract sent out.
In my dealings with EFT so far I have found them to be very accomadting, lets hope it stays that way.
Perfect!
Please let us know if you get the contract or have more information.
I will be doing the same thing as you.
I will also do Basic Training, then return to Europe to do the ATPL, and then return to the USA to complete professional training and work as an instructor.
When will you start?
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Looks good to me.
If they could give it to me in writting that would be great
So 200multi + 500 instructing + 500/600 Single. (1,200/1,300 hours)
So it could be
Start
200multi (being trained)
500 single (instructing students)
Study ATPL etc
500/600 (instructing single & multi students)
Take JAA IR in UK
End
So we might come away with around 450+ multi hours and 850 single hours?
Coming home to study for the ATPL's sounds quite tempting to me too (but then I don't want to stop flying for 6 months either). I'll make my decision closer to the date I guess. I think I'd rather be surrounded by aviation experts and enthusiastic students while studying my ATPL's in all honesty.
Andrew
If they could give it to me in writting that would be great
So 200multi + 500 instructing + 500/600 Single. (1,200/1,300 hours)
So it could be
Start
200multi (being trained)
500 single (instructing students)
Study ATPL etc
500/600 (instructing single & multi students)
Take JAA IR in UK
End
So we might come away with around 450+ multi hours and 850 single hours?
Coming home to study for the ATPL's sounds quite tempting to me too (but then I don't want to stop flying for 6 months either). I'll make my decision closer to the date I guess. I think I'd rather be surrounded by aviation experts and enthusiastic students while studying my ATPL's in all honesty.
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Well I guess I could pick up some freelance work and build up my money while studying for the ATPL's, having the big advantage of living costs being next to nothing.
Thanks for clearnig that up.
Thanks for clearnig that up.
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I was told that i could to the APP two ways: stay in Florida and do the ATPLS while working as an instructor
You cannot undertake the JAA FI(R) course until you have completed and passed the ATPL / CPL exams.
You could of course go down the FAA route and then convert to JAA later but this would require you to undertake the FAA CPL and CFI courses, with their written exams and flight tests.
Whilst working as a FAA CFI, once the JAA theory has been completed, you can then undertake ICAO - JAA CPL conversion and a reduced JAA FI (R) course which comprises 15 hrs flight and 30 hrs ground training, compared to the standard 30 / 125 hrs.
Suggest you clarify which way EFT intends to do things. Trevor is a top guy and I'm sure he'll tell you straight if you ask him.
HTH
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Slight problem with that.
You cannot undertake the JAA FI(R) course until you have completed and passed the ATPL / CPL exams.
You could of course go down the FAA route and then convert to JAA later but this would require you to undertake the FAA CPL and CFI courses, with their written exams and flight tests.
HTH
You cannot undertake the JAA FI(R) course until you have completed and passed the ATPL / CPL exams.
You could of course go down the FAA route and then convert to JAA later but this would require you to undertake the FAA CPL and CFI courses, with their written exams and flight tests.
HTH
JAA/FAA PPL, Night & MEP
FAA Multi IR, CPL, CFII & MEII
Instruct 'FAA' Students while studying for JAA ATPL
JAA FI(R) & CPLInstruct both 'JAA/FAA' Students
Fly home to UK and do the JAA IRSo it does make sense.
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I was on to EFT last night and they said the amount of hours you achieve instucting is dependant on how many hours you make yourself available for. So I suppose you can rack up the hours really fast or just take it easy. 25 hrs a week instructing is the average but you can get more if you want it. No news on a written contract though.
Cpt. Relax, I hope to start in March/April, I got all the TSA info today so filling out the TSA at the moment and working on getting a M-1 visa interview up in the embassy in Dublin. Finally took the plunge!!
Does anybody know how long the process takes?
Cpt. Relax, I hope to start in March/April, I got all the TSA info today so filling out the TSA at the moment and working on getting a M-1 visa interview up in the embassy in Dublin. Finally took the plunge!!
Does anybody know how long the process takes?
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Can somebody please explain to me about EFT as that is a school on my list, that I would like to attend.
They advertise a price of $62,995 for the APP program.
If you go to Ari Ben(FlyAviator.com), which is in the same building and use the same aircraft you can get all the FAA ratings including 200 multi hours for $35,995 and work as an instructor.
This means you are paying $27,000 just for the JAA CPL and JAA FI rating conversions, which should cost no more than a MAX of $8,000.
Whats to stop someone going to Ari Ben, doing the course for $35,995 and working there as an instructor, then going to EFT to do the JAA CPL and JAA FI conversions. That way I would save around $20k.
Am I missing something, what is EFT offering more than Ari Ben for all the extra cash? Im Confused
They advertise a price of $62,995 for the APP program.
If you go to Ari Ben(FlyAviator.com), which is in the same building and use the same aircraft you can get all the FAA ratings including 200 multi hours for $35,995 and work as an instructor.
This means you are paying $27,000 just for the JAA CPL and JAA FI rating conversions, which should cost no more than a MAX of $8,000.
Whats to stop someone going to Ari Ben, doing the course for $35,995 and working there as an instructor, then going to EFT to do the JAA CPL and JAA FI conversions. That way I would save around $20k.
Am I missing something, what is EFT offering more than Ari Ben for all the extra cash? Im Confused
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I *think* it's already been answered in this thread (not sure what page mind).
I guess it's your own choice at the end of the day. I have people PMing me saying 'Your right - Do the APP at Ari-Ben for $35k and then convert at EFT at the end before coming home ... you'll save a packet'.
There is no real answer to be had as to which is the right one for you. People don't tend to do their 0-ATPL over again and again with different schools so there probably isn't anybody that can compare without being biased.
IF I go to EFT I'm sure I'll come back saying 'It was great - go there!' but I never went to FSI / OBA / OAT so who would I be to compare? The thing that is positive is renrights post "EFT said I would expect to attain in the region of 200 multi hours during the course and then 500 instructing and another 500 - 600 hours single engine. I have not got this in writing and I will contact EFT this evening to see if I can get the contract sent out."
If I can get a contract saying I will get 1,000+ I'm happy to pay the extra.
Trying to log 300+ single/multi hours back in the UK will cost more than $8k for sure
I guess it's your own choice at the end of the day. I have people PMing me saying 'Your right - Do the APP at Ari-Ben for $35k and then convert at EFT at the end before coming home ... you'll save a packet'.
There is no real answer to be had as to which is the right one for you. People don't tend to do their 0-ATPL over again and again with different schools so there probably isn't anybody that can compare without being biased.IF I go to EFT I'm sure I'll come back saying 'It was great - go there!' but I never went to FSI / OBA / OAT so who would I be to compare? The thing that is positive is renrights post "EFT said I would expect to attain in the region of 200 multi hours during the course and then 500 instructing and another 500 - 600 hours single engine. I have not got this in writing and I will contact EFT this evening to see if I can get the contract sent out."
If I can get a contract saying I will get 1,000+ I'm happy to pay the extra.
Trying to log 300+ single/multi hours back in the UK will cost more than $8k for sure
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to see if I can get the contract sent out
A flying school in the USA providing a written contract? That is a novel concept.
I won't bother to tell you the replies I've received in the past (I think the mods would pulll them) when I asked for such but needless to say they weren't particularly positive.
I cannot understand why not though. These are commercial enterprises selling products to clients and therefore contracts of sale and service level agreements should be in place. Don't forget you have to sign to agree to their Terms and Conditions (and there are usually plenty of them) so why shouldn't it be reciprocal? But whilst there are stacks of people out there ready to wander in without any form of protection why should they bother?
In the absence of any contract the best you can do is pay with a Credit Card - at least you then have a limited line of recourse against the CC company.
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No self respecting filght school in this situation is ever going to guarantee any amount of hours to anybody. It would be highly unprofessional and a complete lie.
I fully support contracts outlining the ratings to be received, costs, possible extras and all the other bits, but there are too many variables in the market for anybody to guarantee hours. There will, however, always be the caveat of acts of god, weather and all other things we can't control that gives companies an out if the punter doesn't get what they want.
With the EFT situation the main constraint on this is time with the restriction of only two years on the J1 visa. It is more than feesible to gain more than a 1000 hours instructing in 2 years in this part of the world, but there is still the possibility that somebody wouldn't do it. This puts the company in a difficult position and not many options to solve the issue of an under houred graduate of the APP (if they put an hours figure in writing that is).
So, for this very reason alone it is understandable in a business sense. As they won't put it in writing it says something about their integrity and that they are not trying to decieve anyone.
The best people to talk to are the current/past instructors who will all likely tell you they quite easily managed to build a significant (1000+) number of hours during their time at EFT.
I fully support contracts outlining the ratings to be received, costs, possible extras and all the other bits, but there are too many variables in the market for anybody to guarantee hours. There will, however, always be the caveat of acts of god, weather and all other things we can't control that gives companies an out if the punter doesn't get what they want.
With the EFT situation the main constraint on this is time with the restriction of only two years on the J1 visa. It is more than feesible to gain more than a 1000 hours instructing in 2 years in this part of the world, but there is still the possibility that somebody wouldn't do it. This puts the company in a difficult position and not many options to solve the issue of an under houred graduate of the APP (if they put an hours figure in writing that is).
So, for this very reason alone it is understandable in a business sense. As they won't put it in writing it says something about their integrity and that they are not trying to decieve anyone.
The best people to talk to are the current/past instructors who will all likely tell you they quite easily managed to build a significant (1000+) number of hours during their time at EFT.
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I have to agree with the previous post, any questions I've had have been well answered by EFT.
I hope someone out there can help me with a query about the M1 visa. In the documentation I have received from the US embassy I am required to present proof that I will be returning home. The problem is since I am no longer in college and I have been working abroad for the last year and a half I don't have any proof of ties to Ireland.
Does anybody else know what would constitute proof that I will come home?
I hope someone out there can help me with a query about the M1 visa. In the documentation I have received from the US embassy I am required to present proof that I will be returning home. The problem is since I am no longer in college and I have been working abroad for the last year and a half I don't have any proof of ties to Ireland.
Does anybody else know what would constitute proof that I will come home?
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They do have good reviews, Im going to visit EFT and Ari Ben in March, so ill tell you what my impressions are.
Ill be asking EFT the big question ...
What do you offer more than Ari Ben for $30k more? Just the CPL conversion!
Ill be asking EFT the big question ...
What do you offer more than Ari Ben for $30k more? Just the CPL conversion!
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