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Hi Guys,
I am booked to Leave on the 24th April, this thread has been very helpful!
However i have a question for anybody who has done the IR in the US and then in Shoreham in the UK.
1) What is the training difference like from US to UK?
2) What accomodation is recommended in shoreham, as EFT stated on their website that they dont provide any accoomodation. Could someone help me out on the accomodation for thee middle of june )
Cheers
Chris
I am booked to Leave on the 24th April, this thread has been very helpful!
However i have a question for anybody who has done the IR in the US and then in Shoreham in the UK.
1) What is the training difference like from US to UK?
2) What accomodation is recommended in shoreham, as EFT stated on their website that they dont provide any accoomodation. Could someone help me out on the accomodation for thee middle of june )
Cheers
Chris
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EFT no longer operate Shoreham as an UK IR training base.
The EFT IR operation closed quite some time ago. Shoreham was an unsuitable location for IR training, seen as though the test centre was based at Bournemouth.
Now that PTC at Bournemouth is closed, I am not sure where in the UK EFT complete the IR. However some general advice, if you are training in the US do an FAA IR, then do the 15 hour conversion in the UK, or do the complete IR course in the UK. FAA multi IR training at Ari Ben was in the region of 165 to 195 dollars an hour in the Dutchess. The JAA multi IR training was 295 dollars an hour in the Dutchess with EFT. For the price of 30 hours of JAA approved training at EFT you can do a complete FAA IR.
The EFT IR operation closed quite some time ago. Shoreham was an unsuitable location for IR training, seen as though the test centre was based at Bournemouth.
Now that PTC at Bournemouth is closed, I am not sure where in the UK EFT complete the IR. However some general advice, if you are training in the US do an FAA IR, then do the 15 hour conversion in the UK, or do the complete IR course in the UK. FAA multi IR training at Ari Ben was in the region of 165 to 195 dollars an hour in the Dutchess. The JAA multi IR training was 295 dollars an hour in the Dutchess with EFT. For the price of 30 hours of JAA approved training at EFT you can do a complete FAA IR.
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EFT, like any other flying school, markets programs and list minimal hours. I am at EFT, and have seen students finish courses in minimal times with no problem. A lot of learning is a state of mind, in other words, when you come to train, your mindset needs to be such, not "where is the Bar" or "how far to the beach". The people who come with these attitudes do not finish on time, often postpone flights, or do not pass written exams. And they have crap attititudes due to lack of sleep and extensive partying. That is the reality. If you are a serious student, you have no problems.
The prices at EFT are competitive, and I know for a FACT that all price scenerios are given to prospective students ahead of arrival. The paperwork that goes to students when they enroll for a course or programme includes details of housing costs and deposits, training costs, and any other fees such as airport retreivals and test fees.
Guess what....We CANNOT control the weather.
Once again, attitude is everything. How many flying schools can you attend without paying money???? When you find one, let me know. The only people who are stopped from flying due to money issues are those who are seriously in a financial hole, and make no effort to pay. Charlotte works with everyone on money issues the best she can, and does her best not to stop someone from flying.
EFT is a school who has suffered hurricanes, fast growth, and the tragic loss of a student. But through all this, EFT has survived and prospered, and continues to train people SUCCESSFULLY. Each week, former students obtain jobs, and EFT recieves their reference requests. Congratulations to those pilots!!!
The prices at EFT are competitive, and I know for a FACT that all price scenerios are given to prospective students ahead of arrival. The paperwork that goes to students when they enroll for a course or programme includes details of housing costs and deposits, training costs, and any other fees such as airport retreivals and test fees.
Guess what....We CANNOT control the weather.
Once again, attitude is everything. How many flying schools can you attend without paying money???? When you find one, let me know. The only people who are stopped from flying due to money issues are those who are seriously in a financial hole, and make no effort to pay. Charlotte works with everyone on money issues the best she can, and does her best not to stop someone from flying.
EFT is a school who has suffered hurricanes, fast growth, and the tragic loss of a student. But through all this, EFT has survived and prospered, and continues to train people SUCCESSFULLY. Each week, former students obtain jobs, and EFT recieves their reference requests. Congratulations to those pilots!!!
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I'm not going to comment on the pro's and cons of EFT, but CharlieAlpha you need to get a life!
The 3 (and a bit) months I spend at EFT were the best of my life, I made great friends, I spent alot of time at the beaches and the bars. I did concentrate on my training too, but didn't forget to make the most of this opportunity to train in Florida that most non pilots would kill for. I haven't regretted a thing about my choice of choosing EFT.
PS I got 98.5% average across the PPL exams and completed every rating on the stage 1 APP (including multi) in minimum hours. I guess some of us are just more talented eh!
The 3 (and a bit) months I spend at EFT were the best of my life, I made great friends, I spent alot of time at the beaches and the bars. I did concentrate on my training too, but didn't forget to make the most of this opportunity to train in Florida that most non pilots would kill for. I haven't regretted a thing about my choice of choosing EFT.
PS I got 98.5% average across the PPL exams and completed every rating on the stage 1 APP (including multi) in minimum hours. I guess some of us are just more talented eh!
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Cosworth211, you are the exception, not the rule. The difference is that you made flying your priority. Some don't, and they suffer.
And by the way..My life is pretty darn good, thank you.
See you back here after the ATPL's.
And by the way..My life is pretty darn good, thank you.
See you back here after the ATPL's.
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Cosworth211 will you go back for stage 2 though? Poor training, lies and money pinching are not uncommon for flying schools I agree, but when you
are 4000 miles away from home it seems all the more evil
are 4000 miles away from home it seems all the more evil
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CharlieAlpha, my first comment was tongue in cheek! No offence intended!
During my stay at EFT during Phase 1 I didn't find one person that fitted the criteria you mentioned. I met alot of sociable characters, that enjoyed the bars and beaches, but they all seemed to strike the balance right, and when it came down to their flight training they took it seriously.
Obviously I can only comment on the characters I met during my last visit, you may have trained along side people with different attitudes to their training, hence our differing opinion on the subject.
I will return after my ATPL's ATPLMAN, I am aware of the negatives of the school, however I personally found the level of instruction to be superb (cheers TJ!), the accomodation was good (but why do we pay more then Aviator students???
) and I like the area. I also want continuity in my training which I understand is a factor in gaining employment.
My main advice to new students to EFT is that you are spending a huge amount of money. YOU are the customer, say something if you are not happy with an aspect of your training or your account.
During my stay at EFT during Phase 1 I didn't find one person that fitted the criteria you mentioned. I met alot of sociable characters, that enjoyed the bars and beaches, but they all seemed to strike the balance right, and when it came down to their flight training they took it seriously.
Obviously I can only comment on the characters I met during my last visit, you may have trained along side people with different attitudes to their training, hence our differing opinion on the subject.
I will return after my ATPL's ATPLMAN, I am aware of the negatives of the school, however I personally found the level of instruction to be superb (cheers TJ!), the accomodation was good (but why do we pay more then Aviator students???
) and I like the area. I also want continuity in my training which I understand is a factor in gaining employment.My main advice to new students to EFT is that you are spending a huge amount of money. YOU are the customer, say something if you are not happy with an aspect of your training or your account.
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Lets face facts folks, I went to EFT last year for my CPL\ME and IR. I now have a job offer and am currently doing my 737 CL Type rating.
Was it good value, well although it was not the cheapest, it was still cheaper than the UK would have been. We had more flying days than in the UK.
Not all the students had the determination and drive to finish what they had started, that is sad, but there is no such thing as a free lunch.
I had no complaints with the instruction, Iain, Thomas and Mark were all second to none and if anything just as good as other instructors I have come accross over here. If the quality and age of aircraft is a concern, (it isn't, they are all airworthy) then pay more money somewhere else for nice new aircraft.
I was based in the holiday trailer park, just up the the road, this was a bargin for $25 per day. I am told that they are not using it no more which is a shame, but the regular student housing seemed to be very good.
Fort Pierce is a dump, what do you expect for the price you are paying?
It is only 90 mins from Orlando and the Cape if thats what you want. It does have a nice a beach though.
I enjoyed my time in Florida, I worked very hard and am now reaping the rewards, as with everything in life you only get out what you put in.
Si
Oh any by the way the call at 1000' is "N1 Speed 210, Flaps 1 and where's my cup of coffee"
Was it good value, well although it was not the cheapest, it was still cheaper than the UK would have been. We had more flying days than in the UK.
Not all the students had the determination and drive to finish what they had started, that is sad, but there is no such thing as a free lunch.
I had no complaints with the instruction, Iain, Thomas and Mark were all second to none and if anything just as good as other instructors I have come accross over here. If the quality and age of aircraft is a concern, (it isn't, they are all airworthy) then pay more money somewhere else for nice new aircraft.
I was based in the holiday trailer park, just up the the road, this was a bargin for $25 per day. I am told that they are not using it no more which is a shame, but the regular student housing seemed to be very good.
Fort Pierce is a dump, what do you expect for the price you are paying?
It is only 90 mins from Orlando and the Cape if thats what you want. It does have a nice a beach though.
I enjoyed my time in Florida, I worked very hard and am now reaping the rewards, as with everything in life you only get out what you put in.
Si
Oh any by the way the call at 1000' is "N1 Speed 210, Flaps 1 and where's my cup of coffee"
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I think the call is "EPR, LNAV,VNAV, Climb thrust ,Centre to command coffee please and a pen for the crossword!!"
As for EFT, Mark was my instructor for the CPL and with his guidance I got a first time pass so I was very happy. All the instructors are very good even though the 172's are abit tired looking,they work well and I did not have an issue flying any of them.You pay for what you get.
Simon.
I think the call is "EPR, LNAV,VNAV, Climb thrust ,Centre to command coffee please and a pen for the crossword!!"
As for EFT, Mark was my instructor for the CPL and with his guidance I got a first time pass so I was very happy. All the instructors are very good even though the 172's are abit tired looking,they work well and I did not have an issue flying any of them.You pay for what you get.
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European Flight training (EFT)- The airline pilot programme
Hi all, can't find this thread, so would imagine it was not been mentioned, but if it has feel free to move the post.
Just want some advice/positives/negatives about EFT- The airline pilot programme. I have applied to BCUC for the air transport with commercial flight training, but am keeping my options open, as I might not get onto the course.
Does anyone have any expereicne or any advice about EFT and their airline pilot programme, positives/negatives, etc.??
Would be greatful to hear off anyone who knows anything about EFT??
Cheers, Nick, G-FCLA.......
Just want some advice/positives/negatives about EFT- The airline pilot programme. I have applied to BCUC for the air transport with commercial flight training, but am keeping my options open, as I might not get onto the course.
Does anyone have any expereicne or any advice about EFT and their airline pilot programme, positives/negatives, etc.??
Would be greatful to hear off anyone who knows anything about EFT??
Cheers, Nick, G-FCLA.......
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Is anybody going to EFT Fort Pierce in the following months? Any comments about their JAA FI course? Has anybody had any problem with the CAA to endorse the FI rating?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi guys,
I was planning as many different routes to getting to the top and the cheapest / best schools etc and I *think* the APP will be just my cup of tea. Has anybody on here done this?
I figured it would cost me around £50,000.00 so that means with no loans on offer I'd be looking to start it in Sep '09
... unless ofcourse as an instructor you get paid for it?
What is included in this price? $62,995
Flight training for all licences (including aircraft hire & instructor)
During your period as intern instructor, remuneration for your work
Any help would be good.
Thanks
Andrew
I was planning as many different routes to getting to the top and the cheapest / best schools etc and I *think* the APP will be just my cup of tea. Has anybody on here done this?
I figured it would cost me around £50,000.00 so that means with no loans on offer I'd be looking to start it in Sep '09
... unless ofcourse as an instructor you get paid for it?What is included in this price? $62,995
Flight training for all licences (including aircraft hire & instructor)
During your period as intern instructor, remuneration for your work
Any help would be good.
Thanks
Andrew
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"I thought EFT had suspended operations temporary due to fuel handling bills Anyone know any differnt?"
This just proves this a rumour forum - never has happened - and certainly not happening at the moment.
This just proves this a rumour forum - never has happened - and certainly not happening at the moment.
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You do get paid.
10usd for private ground and flight an hour
15usd for commercial
My roommate was an instructor there, and made about 1500-2000 usd a month...or somewhere in that neighborhood
You do get paid.
10usd for private ground and flight an hour
15usd for commercial
My roommate was an instructor there, and made about 1500-2000 usd a month...or somewhere in that neighborhood
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PPL at EFT?
Hello Everyone,
I am considering EFT to do my PPL (Fast Track..) with them. Does anyone have any recent experience with them? Is it ok?
What are the upgrate costs e.g. to a Cessna172?
Anything else to consider?
I am considering EFT to do my PPL (Fast Track..) with them. Does anyone have any recent experience with them? Is it ok?
What are the upgrate costs e.g. to a Cessna172?
Anything else to consider?
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EFT is fine.
Have never had any problems with them.
The planes work fine and are maintained to the highest standard.
The instructors are great - and trust me, I know some of them who wouldn't get into a car that had a dent, let alone a dodgy plane!
They rent all of their planes from Ariben Aviator, the school next door.
This does not mean that you will be waiting on planes. The majority of Ariben's work is on the ME fleet of Beech 76 Duchess'.
The accommodation is fine too and EFT are currently using the apartments that used to belong to the old Pan Am Academy - which is a ten minute walk across the airfield from the Aviator ramp. (You will have to pass the Tiki Restaurant on the way which is the airport eating house; there is a ROCKING chick who works there!...and the burgers are good too!)
You will need a car if you want to actually do anything as there is no public transport in the area. In fact there is very limited public transport anywhere in Florida - everybody drives as fuel is still cheap by our standards!
You have the Winn Dixie shopping mall and a great Chinese restaurant at one end of the area.
You also have the Flying J truck stop which has everything from food, to CDs to T-shirts, all aimed at truckers but great for those of you who want 'redneck' souvenirs haha!
You will become very familiar with Winn Dixie and Flying J as along with Harbour Branch and South Bridge, these will be your VFR arrival routes to the airfield.
You also might have the privilege of meeting a certain controller who is known affectionately by some as Captain A' hole! - who has been known to order people out of the flying circuit and back onto the ground for a nice tower visit......do you remember that, Ray??!!
Enjoy....you'll have a great time at EFT.
Have never had any problems with them.
The planes work fine and are maintained to the highest standard.
The instructors are great - and trust me, I know some of them who wouldn't get into a car that had a dent, let alone a dodgy plane!
They rent all of their planes from Ariben Aviator, the school next door.
This does not mean that you will be waiting on planes. The majority of Ariben's work is on the ME fleet of Beech 76 Duchess'.
The accommodation is fine too and EFT are currently using the apartments that used to belong to the old Pan Am Academy - which is a ten minute walk across the airfield from the Aviator ramp. (You will have to pass the Tiki Restaurant on the way which is the airport eating house; there is a ROCKING chick who works there!...and the burgers are good too!)
You will need a car if you want to actually do anything as there is no public transport in the area. In fact there is very limited public transport anywhere in Florida - everybody drives as fuel is still cheap by our standards!
You have the Winn Dixie shopping mall and a great Chinese restaurant at one end of the area.
You also have the Flying J truck stop which has everything from food, to CDs to T-shirts, all aimed at truckers but great for those of you who want 'redneck' souvenirs haha!
You will become very familiar with Winn Dixie and Flying J as along with Harbour Branch and South Bridge, these will be your VFR arrival routes to the airfield.
You also might have the privilege of meeting a certain controller who is known affectionately by some as Captain A' hole! - who has been known to order people out of the flying circuit and back onto the ground for a nice tower visit......do you remember that, Ray??!!
Enjoy....you'll have a great time at EFT.