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Just a few points I wish to raise with you………
“All in all I thought the place was OK but I was a little disappointed with some of the facilities and the aircraft, and the lads seemed a little dejected which made me think it wasn't really worth the money.”
I’m just curious to why you feel this? I personally felt that the facilities were excellent, or is it that you’re used to living in extreme luxury? The aircraft, exactly the same at any other flight school!
The lads seemed a little dejected?
Well everyone we spoke to was friendly and chatty not one person mentioned any fault or dislike about the college!!
Is anyone in Jerez dejected?
“The amount of bullskit they gave me about jobs and stuff just sounded like a load of marketing rubbish, like Oxford, so I’m not too bothered”
Too be honest most flight schools will give you slightly ‘juiced up’ news on the current and future job scene, however the marketing department, Michael Wallis included, gave honest information based on actual printed/released information from recognised sources. Such information that an individual with brains can easily find out, by simply putting some time and effort into searching the internet and reading flight/aviation orientated publications.
And if you are not bothered to do that…… well good, I hope that someone prepared to put effort into achieving their dream, gets a job over you any day!
So for your other quote of:
“Also, I know for a fact that airlines don't have any preference for integrated graduates so don't let them fool you with that”
hmmm.. BA, Britannia, etc (just to name a few)
and then finally…
“and don't listen to any un-researched, naive comments such as the one made by a certain edible poster earlier on in this thread”
Would you be so kind as to mention who this person might be?
Regards
GRANTS: sorry to hear about the eye problem, wish you all the best on Monday. I've got my medical tomorrow, so i'm hoping for no problems!!!
Just a few points I wish to raise with you………
“All in all I thought the place was OK but I was a little disappointed with some of the facilities and the aircraft, and the lads seemed a little dejected which made me think it wasn't really worth the money.”
I’m just curious to why you feel this? I personally felt that the facilities were excellent, or is it that you’re used to living in extreme luxury? The aircraft, exactly the same at any other flight school!
The lads seemed a little dejected?
Well everyone we spoke to was friendly and chatty not one person mentioned any fault or dislike about the college!!
Is anyone in Jerez dejected?
“The amount of bullskit they gave me about jobs and stuff just sounded like a load of marketing rubbish, like Oxford, so I’m not too bothered”
Too be honest most flight schools will give you slightly ‘juiced up’ news on the current and future job scene, however the marketing department, Michael Wallis included, gave honest information based on actual printed/released information from recognised sources. Such information that an individual with brains can easily find out, by simply putting some time and effort into searching the internet and reading flight/aviation orientated publications.
And if you are not bothered to do that…… well good, I hope that someone prepared to put effort into achieving their dream, gets a job over you any day!
So for your other quote of:
“Also, I know for a fact that airlines don't have any preference for integrated graduates so don't let them fool you with that”
hmmm.. BA, Britannia, etc (just to name a few)
and then finally…
“and don't listen to any un-researched, naive comments such as the one made by a certain edible poster earlier on in this thread”
Would you be so kind as to mention who this person might be?
Regards
GRANTS: sorry to hear about the eye problem, wish you all the best on Monday. I've got my medical tomorrow, so i'm hoping for no problems!!!
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Concorde002,
To some of your rather petty comments I shall not lower myself by replying and will therefore retain my dignity.
OK, where do I start. BA, Brittania..... and who else? I would rather not give much of my hard research away for 3rd party benefit, but I can assure you that I know for certain that most airlines really do not care. Besides, BA, Brittania and the like only make up a very small percentage of the industry. There are many many other airlines apart from the mainstream ones that do exist and that have reasonably sized fleets you know.
Only very few cadets will be extremely lucky enough to walk straight into an airline job. The vast majority will have to work their way up through turbo props and small jets, whether integrated or not.
It made me laugh when you mentioned research. If only you knew...
One of the main reasons for this website is to express freely ones opinion and thoughts, which I did. What I wrote was merely my opinion based on my experience. Maybe you didn't chat to the same people that I did, obviously you didn't get the same impression that I did, but in all honesty who cares? Maybe I am used to only the best which is why Im doing what Im doing and which is why I am where I am.
Flying is great, and I just wish there wasn't so much rubbish on these forums which all too often puts a downer on my views about this idea.
One should really be careful as to who one is talking to before making ignorant assumptions. Before posting your thread, Im sure you were unaware that I graduated from a rather respectable university with a 1st class (oof yep it hurts) degree in economics and MARKETING. I worked for a big company in the Marketing world for a few years, so let me tell you, I know what its all about. And I know that what I heard from all these places was a load of sh*te. They are good at their job and obviously managed to woo you quite easily.
So Ill say again, don't be fooled by that bulish*t.
Have a nice day,
My most sincere regards,
FOF
To some of your rather petty comments I shall not lower myself by replying and will therefore retain my dignity.
OK, where do I start. BA, Brittania..... and who else? I would rather not give much of my hard research away for 3rd party benefit, but I can assure you that I know for certain that most airlines really do not care. Besides, BA, Brittania and the like only make up a very small percentage of the industry. There are many many other airlines apart from the mainstream ones that do exist and that have reasonably sized fleets you know.
Only very few cadets will be extremely lucky enough to walk straight into an airline job. The vast majority will have to work their way up through turbo props and small jets, whether integrated or not.
It made me laugh when you mentioned research. If only you knew...
One of the main reasons for this website is to express freely ones opinion and thoughts, which I did. What I wrote was merely my opinion based on my experience. Maybe you didn't chat to the same people that I did, obviously you didn't get the same impression that I did, but in all honesty who cares? Maybe I am used to only the best which is why Im doing what Im doing and which is why I am where I am.
Flying is great, and I just wish there wasn't so much rubbish on these forums which all too often puts a downer on my views about this idea.One should really be careful as to who one is talking to before making ignorant assumptions. Before posting your thread, Im sure you were unaware that I graduated from a rather respectable university with a 1st class (oof yep it hurts) degree in economics and MARKETING. I worked for a big company in the Marketing world for a few years, so let me tell you, I know what its all about. And I know that what I heard from all these places was a load of sh*te. They are good at their job and obviously managed to woo you quite easily.
So Ill say again, don't be fooled by that bulish*t.
Have a nice day,
My most sincere regards,
FOF
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Based on this reply, I’m so sorry to be so rude and arrogant to such a fantastic know it all snotty little git!!
"Maybe I am used to only the best which is why Im doing what I’m doing and which is why I am where I am"
What a tosser! Get in real world!! I can see why Jerez failed you!! An individual with a chip on his shoulder, the size of yours would make you the most unpleasant person to be with, either on a flight deck or down the pub!!
"Flying is great, and I just wish there wasn't so much rubbish on these forums which all too often puts a downer on my views about this idea"
So you are really committed to the idea of being a pilot then? A few written words on a forum website and you have doubts!!
"One should really be careful as to who one is talking to before making ignorant assumptions. Before posting your thread, I’m sure you were unaware that I graduated from a rather respectable university with a 1st class (oof yep it hurts) degree in economics" blah blah blah who cares!!??? (Anyone??)
Go and use this fantastic degree and do a marketing job then!!
Which uni out of interest?
(I ask this in reference to your previous thread "certain edible poster" so you like eating posters, good use of English, Mr I've got a 1st degree!!!)
"obviously managed to woo you quite easily"
Yes................... they took me to the isolation cell for 3 days, fed me bread and water until I agreed to attend FTE!!
I can assure you that I haven't been fooled by there Bullskit.
My aspirations of becoming an airline pilot are serious, and I feel proud of my achievement, in being able to attend one of the better flight schools able to offer me the opportunity of achieving this dream!! I’m pleased I won’t see you there!!
Regards
"Maybe I am used to only the best which is why Im doing what I’m doing and which is why I am where I am"
What a tosser! Get in real world!! I can see why Jerez failed you!! An individual with a chip on his shoulder, the size of yours would make you the most unpleasant person to be with, either on a flight deck or down the pub!!
"Flying is great, and I just wish there wasn't so much rubbish on these forums which all too often puts a downer on my views about this idea"
So you are really committed to the idea of being a pilot then? A few written words on a forum website and you have doubts!!
"One should really be careful as to who one is talking to before making ignorant assumptions. Before posting your thread, I’m sure you were unaware that I graduated from a rather respectable university with a 1st class (oof yep it hurts) degree in economics" blah blah blah who cares!!??? (Anyone??)
Go and use this fantastic degree and do a marketing job then!!
Which uni out of interest?
(I ask this in reference to your previous thread "certain edible poster" so you like eating posters, good use of English, Mr I've got a 1st degree!!!)
"obviously managed to woo you quite easily"
Yes................... they took me to the isolation cell for 3 days, fed me bread and water until I agreed to attend FTE!!
I can assure you that I haven't been fooled by there Bullskit.
My aspirations of becoming an airline pilot are serious, and I feel proud of my achievement, in being able to attend one of the better flight schools able to offer me the opportunity of achieving this dream!! I’m pleased I won’t see you there!!
Regards
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This convo makes me laugh.
"Maybe I am used to only the best which is why Im doing what I’m doing and which is why I am where I am"
Definately wins the quote of the year award! Must remember that one.
"The lads seemed a little dejected?" - well i have been called a lot of things before but never dejected. Can i ask why you thought that?
One last thing, for those who are under the impression that the entrance interview is easy and you get in if you have the money...Well i know at least 4 people who have not passed in the last month. So please get your facts right before you go slagging off integrated courses or just jerez for that matter.
Edited cos i'm a muppet.
"Maybe I am used to only the best which is why Im doing what I’m doing and which is why I am where I am"
Definately wins the quote of the year award! Must remember that one.
"The lads seemed a little dejected?" - well i have been called a lot of things before but never dejected. Can i ask why you thought that?
One last thing, for those who are under the impression that the entrance interview is easy and you get in if you have the money...Well i know at least 4 people who have not passed in the last month. So please get your facts right before you go slagging off integrated courses or just jerez for that matter.
Edited cos i'm a muppet.
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So have any students of Jerez ever landed on grass as part of their fantastic integrated course?
Kind of limiting don't you think if you wanted to instruct in the UK?
How many airfields did you visit during you most wonderful course? Seville? Faro? and......
Who has their head up their arse do you reckon FlyUk and your like?
And yes I was accepted onto the course - when it was BAE and out of approx 120 students, I know of only one who did any sort of apptitude test. The rest bought it.
And the conversation makes you laugh?
Ask the last Airtours sponsored course about Integrated training and learn something about the real world.
Kind of limiting don't you think if you wanted to instruct in the UK?
How many airfields did you visit during you most wonderful course? Seville? Faro? and......
Who has their head up their arse do you reckon FlyUk and your like?
And yes I was accepted onto the course - when it was BAE and out of approx 120 students, I know of only one who did any sort of apptitude test. The rest bought it.
And the conversation makes you laugh?
Ask the last Airtours sponsored course about Integrated training and learn something about the real world.
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I'm not looking to start an argument over another petty 'prove integrated is better' type of debate. All i want to say is that it is pretty sad that all people can do is argue everything that is said on these forums. If you don't like it then fine, no one says you do. But why do you (not anyone in specific) have to try to draw the topic down?
"Who has their head up their arse do you reckon FlyUk and your like?" - An unfair and un called for comment.
"when it was BAE" - It hasn't been BAE for over a year now. Aptitiude testing has changed since then.
Those who are genuinely intrested in FTE, Jerez then by all means get in touch, or if there is enough intrest i may write a small post about my thoughts and the reality of FTE.
"Who has their head up their arse do you reckon FlyUk and your like?" - An unfair and un called for comment.
"when it was BAE" - It hasn't been BAE for over a year now. Aptitiude testing has changed since then.
Those who are genuinely intrested in FTE, Jerez then by all means get in touch, or if there is enough intrest i may write a small post about my thoughts and the reality of FTE.
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Hee hee hee! I just love Pprune. Keep 'em coming chaps.
Just to clear something up, obviously some people have trouble understanding simple clues...
...edible poster.
Now someone has a name/handle on this thread which you can eat (the word edible means one can eat it children). Come on, its not so hard.
Look back through the posts on this thread and find the edible name.
Was it so hard?
Any of you thinking of entering a treasure hunt should maybe give it a miss.
Just to clear something up, obviously some people have trouble understanding simple clues...
...edible poster.
Now someone has a name/handle on this thread which you can eat (the word edible means one can eat it children). Come on, its not so hard.
Look back through the posts on this thread and find the edible name.
Was it so hard?
Any of you thinking of entering a treasure hunt should maybe give it a miss.
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Hope no-one minds me resurrecting dead posts but . . .
So how did you guys that went down there find it in the end? I'd planned to go in Jan but work committments got in the way - so im hopeing to organise my Class One shortly and then after that head down - I was looking at down the GAPAN tests and then just visiting the school(i.e. not down the interviews and pilapt tests etc.) as I thought it would be an advantage to have the GAPAn as a seperate thing - i.e. all going well at the end of my 60 weeks i could put the GAPAN result(if it was good) on my cv in *addittion* to my ATPL scores etc. . . .Now im not too sure.
Hey Grants, hope you got good news!
So how did you guys that went down there find it in the end? I'd planned to go in Jan but work committments got in the way - so im hopeing to organise my Class One shortly and then after that head down - I was looking at down the GAPAN tests and then just visiting the school(i.e. not down the interviews and pilapt tests etc.) as I thought it would be an advantage to have the GAPAn as a seperate thing - i.e. all going well at the end of my 60 weeks i could put the GAPAN result(if it was good) on my cv in *addittion* to my ATPL scores etc. . . .Now im not too sure.
Hey Grants, hope you got good news!
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Best news
Hi there,
I am going to commence my training in Jerez in the 21th of Feb.
all went well, my medical stuff and the admission to Jerez.
thanks for asking.
Grants
I am going to commence my training in Jerez in the 21th of Feb.
all went well, my medical stuff and the admission to Jerez.
thanks for asking.
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grants,
I read your medical issue post with interest. On a two fold approach. Firstly, the lack of people asking how it all went was shocking. Glad it all is sorted. I know a few peeps there now, they're loving it. Plus the banter we all got from that idiot "Biscuit".
I got annoyed by his "if you got 90,000 euros" then its an ok course..... comment. He OBVIOUSLY can't afford it, his dream.
Tosser..
Charlie
I read your medical issue post with interest. On a two fold approach. Firstly, the lack of people asking how it all went was shocking. Glad it all is sorted. I know a few peeps there now, they're loving it. Plus the banter we all got from that idiot "Biscuit".
I got annoyed by his "if you got 90,000 euros" then its an ok course..... comment. He OBVIOUSLY can't afford it, his dream.
Tosser..
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Anyway, let's not return this thread to its former undignified state!
Glad to hear all is well Grants - any tips for the selection process?
Hope to see you there in the next few months!
Glad to hear all is well Grants - any tips for the selection process?
Hope to see you there in the next few months!
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thanks and some test information
Thanks guys,
about the selection process,
paper tests:
I can tell you that I am far from being a natural mathematician and I have done well.
they provide you with a calculator, make you sure you know it's functions before the test starts, you don't want to loose time on it ("6 in the power of...**** where is this damn thing?!").
I am not a natural English speaker and I passed the verbal reasoning, so just be quick and focused and you'll be fine.
Pilapt test:
be concentrated, take your time, you are on your own in the class room, no competition feeling like in Ctc's.
set your Joystick where you want it and enjoy they game...
interview:
I had it with a senior instructor, an ex-military pilot, and he was the nicest man.
he doesn't play around, nor hiding an tricking questions.
just be yourself.
he will give you a problem to solve in 10 minutes, just do your work, he will be looking at you to see that you don't freak out under some time pressure.
there is no "one answer".
my advise:
take the two days accommodation they offer and split the test between the two.
sleep well, eat well, be yourself in the interview.
meet the guys at the bar, but don't drink too heavy - stay focused.
that's all about it.
for any further information - shoot.
Grants
about the selection process,
paper tests:
I can tell you that I am far from being a natural mathematician and I have done well.
they provide you with a calculator, make you sure you know it's functions before the test starts, you don't want to loose time on it ("6 in the power of...**** where is this damn thing?!").
I am not a natural English speaker and I passed the verbal reasoning, so just be quick and focused and you'll be fine.
Pilapt test:
be concentrated, take your time, you are on your own in the class room, no competition feeling like in Ctc's.
set your Joystick where you want it and enjoy they game...
interview:
I had it with a senior instructor, an ex-military pilot, and he was the nicest man.
he doesn't play around, nor hiding an tricking questions.
just be yourself.
he will give you a problem to solve in 10 minutes, just do your work, he will be looking at you to see that you don't freak out under some time pressure.
there is no "one answer".
my advise:
take the two days accommodation they offer and split the test between the two.
sleep well, eat well, be yourself in the interview.
meet the guys at the bar, but don't drink too heavy - stay focused.
that's all about it.
for any further information - shoot.
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As I understand aviation all schools have pre-selection. The size of your wallet. I have not yet heard of a course that was pre selected not being full but prehaps I have been in aviation too long and am getting cynical.
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but prehaps I have been in aviation too long and am getting cynical.
Although we have recently had courses start with less than full classes becasue people have 'not reached the required standard'. Yes i go to Jerez, yes maybe i am a little biased, but i'm sure it happens at other pre-selection schools aswell. The schools can not afford to just allow anyone with the money in as they want to keep the standard of students that they train high, so that they can get jobs at the end of it all.
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Hey Grants,
Thanks for the heads up! Im not looking for tricks on how to pass or anything like that - its just always nice to have an idea what to *expect* when you go into a situation! Thanks!
FlyUK - you enjoying it as much as you thought you would? Any unforeseen bad points?
Thanks for the heads up! Im not looking for tricks on how to pass or anything like that - its just always nice to have an idea what to *expect* when you go into a situation!
Thanks!FlyUK - you enjoying it as much as you thought you would? Any unforeseen bad points?
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you enjoying it as much as you thought you would? Any unforeseen bad points
But thats about all i can snag the place on. Brilliant instructors, brilliant area, great equipment....But you do pay for it. Personally i think its worth the money, some may disagree, thats up to you to decide.
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Excellent! Thanks for the heads up guys! Definately expect to see me there in the next couple of months. I suppose with the rwy at right angles to the prevailing wind you get plenty of practice on xwind techniques! 