Pilot Training College, Waterford, Ireland

[potkettleblack]

Most "quality" CPL/IR courses tend to run on the basis of 1 instructor to 2 students with a dedicated aircraft for the instructor. That way you brief with your buddy in the morning and alternate between flying or back seating during the day. Don't underestimate the benefit of back seating as you will learn so much sitting in the back watching someone else go through the hoops.

Things you don't want to see in the CPL/IR are:-

- 1 aircraft between a number of instructors
- getting shoved around various instructors who will all invariably have different ways of doing things

As for PTC I think on average they get good press. However I have lost count of the number of Irish wannabees I come across training in the UK. I think the decision to come across the ditch could be down to price rather than any quality concerns.

[dno1playa]

Pilot traning college Ireland

Hey
Just wondering does anyone have any information or exprince with the pilot traning college in Ireland?.

Thanks

[scroggs]

Ooh look, a three-page thread all about PTC Ireland. Amazing what a 'search' brings up...

Scroggs

[borris]

PTC Waterford

The PTC in Waterford guarantee an airline interview after the 12-14 month course.
Is this the case?
Has anyone done this course?
Is it worth the €75k price tag?
Are the facilities in Florida good?

[captwannabe]

Do a search for Pilot Training College Waterford, there's another thread. Have a look at the Fling In Ireland forums @ www.flyinginireland.com/forum

I thought all their training was done at Waterford airport??? Florida??? €75k???

[EIRE-PLANER]

Hi allHad a look at this FTO myself, the PPL and hour building to 130hrs is in florida the rest is conducted at waterford.E75000 ?? dont forget the E4500 for the MCC total 79.5k

[aerobatic_dude]

So you go off and learn in florida where the skies are blue, the winds are calm, and then you come back to Ireland where days with blue skies and calm winds are a rareity. You have more chance of dragging blood from a stone. PTC are good at the commercial end of things. Very professional outfit. Friendly staff, but if I were you, i'd do my PPL with an RTF in Ireland and only then go and start worrying about PTC.

[captwannabe]

When did they start sending people to Florida and charging €75k? Was this always the case? Where in Florida do they send you?

[captwannabe]

They must have jumped up the prices recently. I never remember them being that expensive. Does that €75k include accomodation?

[potkettleblack]

There must be a reason why I keep on bumping into so many Irish folk in places like Bournemouth. Me thinks it has a lot to do with the rip off Ireland cause.

[Captain N]

Hi all
Just thought i share my experience with PTC.
well to be fair, never went down ther and havent seen the set up.
I moved back to ireland to start with them, got everything sorted and even arranged an assessment day. then suddenly I get a price list by email which is very different from the published price list on the website, well about 10K more and their excuse: this includes "everything"
well if I remeber correctly the website prices included test fees and test aircraft etc and they even changed PPl and hour builing to florida so surely that makes it a bit cheaper!
anyway I changed my plans and now I'm at a school in greece total price 20K cheaper than PTC and I'm very happy with everything, my progrees is great too. AND you get great weather all year around compared to just during ur PPl and hour build

my advise: come to greece, dont waste ur money and time

[captwannabe]

If accomodation was included for the duration of the training, then maybe €75k is justified. But otherwise, they're having a laugh all the way to the bank.

Captain N,
Where are you training in Greece?

[Pigsfly]

A little vulture told me that they told one of their two maintainance staff that he would have to accept a three day working week a few days ago, because things were quiet. Well alegedly he told them it was a full weeks work or nothing, so he has gone walkabout.

[EIRE-PLANER]

PTCs Airline Pilot Training Programme Total Package includes the following items:

*Flight Training: (ATPL frozen)
*Ground Training
*Equipment
*Books and Manuals
*Accomodation
Shared Accomodation in Waterford for all modules
Shared Accomodation in USA-Orlando
*Travel :Return travel from ireland to usa
*Security Charges
*Examination Fees
*Test Aircraft Rentals
*Airport Charges
*Fuel Surcharge
*FAA Medical Fees

PTC s Airline pilot training programme excludes the following
*MCC at parc aviation
*Fuel Surcharge-any additional fuel surcharge that maybe added due to published increase in Fuel Charges
*Uniform
*Utilities for accomodation in USA and Ireland
*Any additional hours outside of regulatory requirements or any costs associated with repeat examinations

[captwannabe]

So it will cost €80k with the MCC, and I don't know, another €5k for good measure?!

[EIRE-PLANER]

Thats pritty much it from what i can disern from some of the other modular route threads its compulsory to add in 10%-15% contingency fund in your budget/financial plan, +beer money

[viggi_pilot]

Anyone have any info on Pilot taining college if Ireland?

Hi all.

As the title suggests I'm trying to get some information regarding the Pilot Training COllege of Ireland (PTC). I'm not after their own opinions about them selves but I'm after the opinions of anyone who has even had any dealings with them.

I'm considering applying for their Airline Pilot Program and just wondered what experince other people have had with them.

Any info would be great.

Thanks.

[pipergirl]

Originally Posted by Beaver diver

We do the CPL in the Arrow for €273 per hour unfortunately we cannot provide this service at Weston as the facilities there do not comply with those required by a JAR FTO.

Regards,

George Edgeworth

The PilotTrainingCollege of Ireland
WaterfordAirport
Killowen
Co. Waterford
Ireland
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

I'm sure National Flight Centre in Weston would have something to say about that...what a load of B*ll***s

[TwoDeadDogs]

Hi all
E273 for an Arrow is a sick joke...so is paying for fuel surcharges...needless to say, that little tax won't adjust downwards,ever...Florida's weather is highly variable and I absolutley guarantee you'll get plenty of non-sunny weather there,too....I have been to America and the UK for CPL training and recurrency training since 2000 and would never give a cent to an Irish FTO if I could possibly avoid it.I've been ****** around too often by some of the well-known names to ever bother using them again.Any school I have ever used abroad has been much better at a professional and personal level, with only one exception.
As an example of things perpetrated by an Irish FTO, I was in the flight office booking a lesson on a twin.The phone rang and was answered by the person dealing with me.The caller was a person who was about to leave home to have a lesson in that twin and was checking ahead.The staff member then told the caller that the aircraft was u/s and was likely to stay that way for the day.The caller reiterated that it was a bit of luck that he had called and berated the staff member for not bothering to call him and warn him off.The staff member swore that she'd just been about to do that,etc before putting the phone down and returning her attention to me. Just then, the twin took off, roaring off within earshot off the office."So, it's clearly not u/s", I sez."Nah",sez the s.m., "just clearing the bookings so that a friend of the Boss can have it for his flight test." So, everyone else got ****** over and lied to, while the s.m. was doing something she was clearly used to doing.....I took my trade elsewhere and have never looked back.
The Irish FTOs seem to believe that standards of decent public service don't apply to them.
regards
TDD

[FL179]

Ongoing Dispute with PTC

Hi Folks,

Let me tell you why I personally think people shouldn't make pre-payments to PTC.

I enrolled for a quick BFR and they charged my credit card for the full amount of the estimated cost of the flights €700. After ringing up a few days prior and having difficulty getting hold of my assigned instructor (who actually sounded quite sharp) I was told "Thursday would be better" than than the Wed I had booked. I agreed and turned up on Thurs.

I then discovered arrived to the sly comment "oh, he's here today" (comment #2 after hello). Needless to say, I was somewhat dissappointed that the airport was fogged in for the day and agreed with the instructor that the best course of action was to return to Dublin.

This was the travel expenses, B&B etc down the chute but something you learn to accept when you fly. However, what happened next shocked me. Mike Edgeworths relation (son?), George told me I had forfeitted the €700 as I had terminated training and I wasn't getting any refund! He appeared determined to hold onto the money fiercely until I pushed the issue. I had returned to work in Dublin because the flights were cancelled due to weather and didn't have any days off to go down again soon.

After many emails and phone calls (i.e. I'm not going to forget about this) I got in touch with Mike who finally agreed to refund €500 but wanted to keep €200 for setting up the "course" for me (as if they did 5 hours preparation at their rate of €40/hour for a quick BFR).

I'm not really concerned about the money but really feel I've been taken advantage of PTC. I'm going to presue it further with the Consumer Association and Small Claims Court if necessary but just my personal advise to other students is PAY AS YOU GO!! Only deposit enough funds with any school to cover the next flight.

Mike Edgeworth has been diplomatic and did return my call as requested but I feel they are keen to "hold onto" the money as best they can.

I feel quite hard done by and have never had this experience before.

David