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larzabell 8th April 2014 18:40

'On Condition'
 
Hi

Can somebody explain to me what it means to run a Rotax 912 'on condition' once past the 2000 hours required for TBO?

Johnm 8th April 2014 20:48

It basically means you can run if on condition it remains serviceable!

xrayalpha 8th April 2014 21:36

You keep running it until it stops.

Then it is not on condition!

thing 8th April 2014 22:50

It's on condition that it still works...:)

Mark 1 8th April 2014 23:26

I don't know specifically about the Rotax, but generally there are service limits on the engine that will be checked at 100 hour or annual intervals.
Those will typically cover oil consumption, compression checks etc and anything mandated by the manufacturer.

this is my username 9th April 2014 06:01

In practical terms it depends on what the engine is fitted to - whether it is CofA or permit, and if on a permit whether the permit is administered by the LAA, BMAA or the CAA. They all have different rules.

Grobling About 9th April 2014 06:11

On condition
 
It means there is no need for scheduled overhaul and you 'fix faults when they happen'

Pirke 9th April 2014 09:16

Doesn't it compromise safety?

Above The Clouds 9th April 2014 09:50


Pirke
Doesn't it compromise safety?
No it doesn't.

Jonzarno 9th April 2014 12:43

I agree. This article is worth a read:

EAA Sport Aviation - February 2010

Pirke 9th April 2014 15:15

Is it legal (in EASA country) to use an on condition engine commercially, for example in a rental plane?

Mark 1 9th April 2014 17:00

In the UK, extension of up to 20% is allowed on condition for public transport or aerial work. Beyond that only for private use ( exception allowed for glider tugs)

Covered by CAP 747 GR 24

Mach Jump 9th April 2014 17:25


In the UK, extension of up to 20% is allowed on condition for public transport or aerial work.
This is known as operating 'On Extension'. (I dont think that Rotax engines are allowed to be 'Extended'.) Any further operation after any 'Extensions' to the hours, or calendar times are used up, is known as operating 'On Condition'.



Is it legal (in EASA country) to use an on condition engine...
Yes :)


...commercially, for example in a rental plane?
No :(


MJ:ok:

Jan Olieslagers 9th April 2014 17:37


to run a Rotax 912 'on condition' once past the 2000 hours required for TBO
which engine exactly? 912, 912UL. 912S, 912ULS ?
on what category of plane? p2f? certified?
on which national reg?

Jonzarno 10th April 2014 18:55

Here's another Mike Busch article on the subject that's worth a read:

How Do Piston Aircraft Engines Fail? « Opinion Leaders

larzabell 10th April 2014 20:27

its a 912UL in a BMAA permit aircraft


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