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Genghis the Engineer 15th January 2012 00:13


all the proprietrary plogs are woeful as fuel planners
I concluded years ago that "all the proprietary plogs" are woeful in many ways. Eventually I realised what should have been blindingly obvious - which is that like just about everybody else these days, I have a PC with a wordprocessing program and access to a reasonable printer.

So, I designed my own, and tweak it periodically to meet my slightly changing perception of the "perfect PLOG".

Since I've become an instructor, I've just been giving that PLOG as a word file to my students, the good ones have used it, the very good ones have adapted it to suit their own preferences.

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A and C 15th January 2012 09:33

Fuel planning
 
The computer flight plan that I have will give you the minimum fuel required to do the flight, it then has the minimum fuel on board at each waypoint.

So it is all quite simple, if you don't have the correct fuel quantity at a waypoint then you are going to have to divert.

I can see how this is a problem using the average fuel gauge so for most American aircraft a fuel flow meter is essential.

Fortunately the Robin I fly has four fuel tanks and by running them almost dry (a very accurate tank almost empty light is fitted) you can get a very accurate fuel plot going based on the conditioned for the day rather than filght manual numbers. I have had fuel flow numbers within a ltr after four hours flying in this aircraft however I would not run any aircraft that I did not know well without a much larger margin for error.

peterh337 15th January 2012 09:49


Problem with using it in light aircraft is that you need an accurate enough fuel gauge
You need a) the departure FOB and b) the fuel flow.

a) is easy.

b) is not so easy, but can be established by e.g. doing two identical flights which have different length cruise sections. Fill up before and after each flight and then you can work out your fuel flow in cruise. Assuming of course you lean equally in both cases.

The fuel gauges are actually irrelevant. Mine happen to be very accurate (expensive capacitive type) but I use them only for switching tanks. When flying solo I run down the LHS tank by about 1/4" on the gauge, to keep the plane flying straight.

It is critical to know the progress of the flight in terms of fuel.

Grob Queen 15th January 2012 10:03


All my contacts with other PPLs suggest that fuel management is poorly addressed in PPL training, and my own experience confirms this. .....PPL training practices err on the safe side and most flying is done with the mixture set to fully-rich and few pilots are taught about leaning. Much reliance is placed on using ground based logs of flight times to determine the remaining fuel on board (FOB); this generally works because conservative fuel consumption figures are used and most training flights are short. The downside of this system is that a large part of the aeroplane's real range is not available and a pilot wishing to embark on a long flight is venturing into unfamiliar territory, and quite spectacular fuel planning related incidents do
happen.
Peter, TVM for the link to your article, very interesting, particularly your first paragraph. I think your first sentence says it all. Maybe Civilian FTOs ought to take a look at RAF training (yes, even PPL RAF training as I am doing) and see how we are taught. it may seem archaic and unnecessary, but my instructor really bangs on about fuel planning, so I am incredibly aware of checking it all the time. Indeed, he also points out your point of reliance for Plogs - on the basic form, there is no place for fuel planning - ok, so you have "fuel consumption, total required, fuel on board, reserve and total endurance" but that tells you nothing IMHO. I would rather work it out for each leg or twice for a leg if a long one, so I know when to divert if I need to.

Am I not correct in thinking the aircraft's real range is in the POH? Talking of the POH, yes, fuel consumption is in there, yes, in our case certainly they are about 30 years old, but that is at least a guide. The wise pilot surely also checks the fuel gauge en route...


but using time rather than fuel state.
Absolutely GtE, Maybe I forgot to mention in my original post that these fuel circles are based, as well as consumption, on the time it takes for the Grob to fly a certain distance and the amount of fuel it uses for that leg. For instance, we burn 25 litres per hour and therefore 2 litres every minutes. Therefore in my example in 25 minutes we have burnt 10 litres, in 18 minutes 8 litres etc. Of course some figures are rounded up or down, and you may use an extra litre per leg or less than planned but you will always have an idea in your mind of how much you are using, and perhaps more importantly, how much you need to return to base.

Are pilots who use GPS so aware of how much fuel they are using? Would you know that you should not do that extra leg because you would not get back to base?


Agree with A&C re fuel planning. I was trained as an FI with fuel circles and that's what I teach my students as all the proprietrary plogs are woeful as fuel planners.
Nice one India-Mike, I agree with you both on that!:ok: How do other FI's instruct their students wrt Fuel planning?

peterh337 15th January 2012 12:26

Most people use a portable GPS, and I don't know how you would best use a portable GPS to assist with fuel planning.

I suppose the biggest contribution is that you know where you are and aren't going to get lost. Getting lost does have a tendency to affect one's fuel plans :)

But you also know your GS and your ETA, and assuming you know the fuel burn you can work out the LFOB (landing fuel on board) from that, manually. If you have 2hrs to run and your burn is 10GPH then you know you will burn another 20 gallons before you get there.

As regards extra legs, my feeling is that the best way is to plan the flight as best as one can, and execute it to the plan. Then (assuming you know the fuel burn) the fuel ought to work out.

I did some (somewhat artificial but required by the FTO) detailed fuel plans in the JAA IR training. One is supposed to maintain a fuel column in the plog. Accounting for every approach, every missed approach, every time around the hold, I managed to get the error down to 1 USG, which was about 3%. The plog form didn't have anywhere enough room so I used a spreadsheet. But paradoxically this is unworkable in "common GA" because the fuel burn is not known anywhere near that accurately. It is know to within about 20%. I was able to make it add up because I know the fuel flow to 1%, but if you know the fuel flow to 1%, and it is GPS linked to compute the LFOB, you don't need to maintain a fuel column in the plog :) In fact you just look at the current FOB reading and decide if another 5 holds or whatever will deplete it too much.

Grob Queen 15th January 2012 15:45


As regards extra legs, my feeling is that the best way is to plan the flight as best as one can, and execute it to the plan. Then (assuming you know the fuel burn) the fuel ought to work out.
Fuel circles are part of that flight planning and which is precisely why Fuel circles on the chart are a good idea...if you need to make extra legs, you know with a quick glance whether you have the fuel to do so....


I did some (somewhat artificial but required by the FTO) detailed fuel plans in the JAA IR training. One is supposed to maintain a fuel column in the plog.....The plog form didn't have anywhere enough room so I used a spreadsheet.
...and did you find this useful? Wouldn't it have been much better on your chart though instead of a spreadsheet?!


But paradoxically this is unworkable in "common GA" because the fuel burn is not known anywhere near that accurately. It is know to within about 20%.
Understood, but my point is, when flying at 90kts, one does not have to be quite so accurate. I have already admitted that I round my fuel figures up or down to make mental arithmetic easier. I would much rather know that I still have the required 15 litres FOG minimum plus some to get home! ;)

peterh337 15th January 2012 16:45


and did you find this useful? Wouldn't it have been much better on your chart though instead of a spreadsheet?!
Not really because I merely need to press the top right button on this

http://www.peter2000.co.uk/aviation/shadin/shadin2.jpg

and I get the "exact" fuel in the tanks, and I know the flow rate because it is on the display. I don't need range circles on the map, and anyway they are not circles if there is any wind ..... and at 90kt IAS the wind could be awfully relevant :)


when flying at 90kts, one does not have to be quite so accurate
I don't think the IAS affects the need for accurate fuel management.- except that a lower speed needs better management if anything because, per hour of endurance, you have fewer airports within range. You are also less likely to escape bad wx if you are flying slower, and wx is by far the most likely reason for diversions (blocked runways that actually close an airport are very rare).

Cows getting bigger 15th January 2012 17:08

Doesn't anyone read the POH any more? For example, the Cessna 172 has a fine (and accurate) cruise performance table. Set an RPM and lean in accordance with the guidance in Normal Operating Prcedrues and you'll get a pretty accurate fuel burn. Add 10% and 45 mins if, like me, you like to adopt IFR criteria and you will never need to stare longingly at notoriously inaccurate fuel gauges.

PS. I agree about the poor standard of training on this during PPL; we appear to have resorted to filling the tanks and assuming a pilot will be bored, out of cash or in need of a pee before the tanks run dry.

Johnm 15th January 2012 17:58


Set an RPM and lean in accordance with the guidance in Normal Operating Prcedrues and you'll get a pretty accurate fuel burn. Add 10% and 45 mins if, like me, you like to adopt IFR criteria and you will never need to stare longingly at notoriously inaccurate fuel gauges.

Which is why the only items I would tolerate "inop" on my Archer were fuel gauges

RTN11 15th January 2012 19:05


in need of a pee before the tanks run dry.
That's certainly the case for me :}

Also, I've flown a few vintage aircraft where the oil consumption is more limiting that the fuel - you can carry 5 hours of fuel but only perhaps 3-4 hours oil.

Pilots should always be aware of their remaining endurance and/or range, but most civvie schools air an awful lot on the cautious side. One school I visited offered students a fuel planning sheet with a fuel burn stated of 35 litres/hr for a PA28, when the POH would state something more around 28 for a normal cruise level/leaned, and less if you got higher.

Most training flights don't last much more than an hour, and you would usually have at least 3 hours fuel when you taxi out, so it's not really part of the normal flying training to fly right down to minimum fuel.

Grob Queen 15th January 2012 20:33

I see Peter...I don't recognise that gadget so we obviously don't have one:) But I can see now, why you always know your exact fuel and the flow rate!



Most training flights don't last much more than an hour, and you would usually have at least 3 hours fuel when you taxi out, so it's not really part of the normal flying training to fly right down to minimum fuel.
True. But we only fill our tanks with enough fuel plus a bit for the Sortie. Hence most training trips will only use about 20 litres, leaving 40 in the tank. But if we are flying navexes out of the local area, or the qualified club pilots are taking a club aircraft out, we will fuel up with more. So training with planning using fuel circles ensures that we fill up with enough fuel and that we don't fly down to minimum fuel. This system also ensures that we know (ok, I know as the student) the minimum fuel required to land with.

As it happens, I am planning a trip of 93 miles at the moment, with the aforementioned fuel circles, and I know that I can fuel up with 75 litres and be fine...:)

FlyingStone 15th January 2012 21:37

I know the fuel gauges are notoriously unreliable, but you could always do a simple calibration test here and then - very simple, especially if aircraft flies a lot.

You drain the tanks, put in the unusable fuel - the fuel gauges should read zero. Then you start filling up, let's say in 5 USgal increments - and check what the gauges read and note it down. You end up with a full tank and a nice table showing actual fuel in tanks vs. fuel shown by the fuel gagues. Quite simple or am I missing something here?

Obviously you don't need a fuel totalizer if you're doing one-hour trips, although it's quite handy to have one - or at least an accurate fuel flow gauge.


Originally Posted by Cows getting bigger
Doesn't anyone read the POH any more? For example, the Cessna 172 has a fine (and accurate) cruise performance table. Set an RPM and lean in accordance with the guidance in Normal Operating Prcedrues and you'll get a pretty accurate fuel burn. Add 10% and 45 mins if, like me, you like to adopt IFR criteria and you will never need to stare longingly at notoriously inaccurate fuel gauges.

Spot on! If only people weren't afraid of the red knob and follow the leaning procedure in the POH exactly, the fuel flow probably wouldn't be more than 5% off the book value. I think one of the problems is that people who rent aircraft just listen to the owner, who says "this aircraft burns xx USgal/h" and use it for fuel planning. It all depends on the mission profile you have - full throttle/full rich at sea level will definitely burn a bit more than a nice economy full throttle/peak EGT at FL100. It's like saying a car has the same mileage/fuel consumption for driving in a city or on the highway.

peterh337 15th January 2012 22:08


Quite simple or am I missing something here?
Many fuel gauges are stuck, or they stick in certain positions.

Often the transmitting mechanism (usually a crude potentiometer, working off a float) is intermittent.

Obviously you don't need a fuel totalizer if you're doing one-hour trips
That's true if you always fill up and always do 1hr trips.

But the typical UK PPL training scenario is that the school works off a "tech log" e.g.

10/1/2011 Filled up full - endurance 3 hrs
11/1/2011 Flown for 1hr 40 mins - endurance is now 1hr 20 mins
12/1/2011 Flown for 50 mins - endurance is now 30 mins
12/1/2011 55 litres put in (some calc...) endurance is now 1hr 30 mins
12/1/2011 Flown for 30mins (but actually flown for 50 mins) - endurance is now 40 mins but is recorded as 1hr
13/1/2011 Flown for 1hr - OOPS

The choice of the final date is intentional :)

When I started my PPL training, I knew s0d all about flying but I was horrified by this procedure, with the obvious potential for cumulative errors and omissions, and I think the same of it now. Anybody with a technical / engineering education or background would think the same of it.

The basic issue is that poorly equipped spamcans don't have much useful range to start with and they tend to get operated either by shrewd people (who don't go anywhere near the limit) or by less than shrewd people (who rely on a lot of luck).

I know I bang on about the TB20 but on that you can fill up at Lydd and fly to Benbecula, with Lydd as your alternate, and (in zero wind) you will still have enough fuel to fly on to roughly Biarritz.

Mark1234 15th January 2012 22:24

Are you serious? That's crazy.

Not really done any touring since returning to the UK, but I always dipped tanks before AND after flight. That way I have a pretty good idea of the starting point AND what it turns out flown my way..

peterh337 16th January 2012 07:08

Yes; the prang I linked to involved prolonged flying (multiple flights) during which the fuel level remained below the visually inspectable level.

This is a trap for many... due to wing dihedral the fuel level is not visible is many/most GA types when below about 50%. This does not usually cause an operational problem in singles but it is an issue with "6-seater" twins operated for charter work, because you never know how many fat people will turn up for the next job, so you have to keep the tanks as low as possible. It's OK if you know exactly what you are doing...

BEagle 16th January 2012 08:16

Using three different units for fuel calculations (litres, Imperial gallons and US gallons) is fraught with risk. Compound this with the useless fuel gauges in most light aircraft and pilots' reluctance to pay for more fuel than is absolutely essential and I'm surprised that there aren't more accidents due to fuel calculation / uplift errors.

When marking Flight Performance and Planning papers for the PPL, I was surprised how many people didn't understand the difference between density and specific gravity, particularly when using US gallons.

We had an aeroplane with a generally accepted 4 hour endurance, but we had an absolute rule concerning minimum in flight fuel indications. A pilot flew it for an hour on an instructional GH flight, then a renter took it on a 90 trip to Wales. He didn't bother refuelling whilst there and despite reaching the minimum indications, pressed on back to base passing a number of available aerdromes en route. At 1+(2 x 1½) = 4 hours, some miles short, it all went quiet and he had to land it in a field....:\ Fortunately without damage.

peterh337 16th January 2012 08:19


pilots' reluctance to pay for more fuel than is absolutely essential
In the case I posted, the FTO reportedly pressed him to not fill up more than necessary, because they used the plane for charter work.

This is inevitable. If you fill a Seneca right up, it will be ~prob90 useless for charter.

BEagle 16th January 2012 08:48

In our case, pilots who uplifted fuel away from base (except where we had an agreement) would only pay the difference between our price and the other price. So uplifting 40 litres, in those days, would have cost him about £4 as he would have been credited the balance from his rental bill.

As for leaning, a private owner with decent CHT, fuel flow and EGT indications should be able to find the best mixture setting. But most of the rental wreckage around at clubs isn't so equipped and excessive leaning (I flew with one pilot who (briefly!) pulled the mixture back to the point of rough running at 1500 ft), can damage engines. We had to change a pot once at the 600 hr point - someone had cooked it through excessive leaning......

With all the advances we've seen in electronics, it surprises me that most of the GA club fleets still rely on ancient carburetted engines with manual mixture controls and the ridiculous need for carburettor heat. Even the cheapest car with a much more complicated engine usually has electronic fuel injection and a reliable EMU these days - but many light aircraft are stuck with some carburettor from a 1950's combine harvester!

peterh337 16th January 2012 09:04


someone had cooked it through excessive leaning
At the risk of starting another thread on this... "excessive" leaning is a danger only at high power settings e.g. 75% or higher, specifically ones which result in high CHTs (perhaps 500F or so).

Excessive leaning alone just gives you a rough engine and a loss of power. No damage is caused.

During taxi, maximum possible leaning is the best thing - keeps the plugs clean.

Maoraigh1 16th January 2012 20:33


I was surprised how many people didn't understand the difference between density and specific gravity, particularly when using US gallons.
What is the difference?


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