Grob Queen:
That's exactly it. Except students always sit up front! ;)

And then you probably haven't flown the aircraft anywhere near MTOW yet. (Unless you're flying a 152...)

Pilot DAR knows chapter and verse on this, but I think the certification requirement is that the aircraft is able to climb at at least 100 ft/min with full flaps and at MTOW. But that's in ISA conditions at 0' DA. On a warm day and a slightly elevated airfield you might not be able to climb over the hedge at all.

If the POH doesn't include performance data for a full-flaps take-off, then that's probably because it doesn't give you the best take-off performance.

Not sure when/where you learnt, but I did my PPL in '73 and we did solo T&Gs then!

Flybymike - If you wouldn't have students flying solo T&Gs, how would you want us to consolidate solo circuits??!!

I was indeed surprised when our CFI said that I could do T&Gs with full flap. Hedge hopping when using our short runway 19 definitely does not feel safe! But then who am I to argue with our many-hours-many-types CFI?!

I have only flown form my home airfield so far so have the joy of landaways to come (maybe Kemble for my first one) :)

I didnt say that I wouldn't have it, only that it wasnt allowed in my day. which was 1983 at Leeds (For once I have the joy of knowing that Foxmoth may be more ancient than me) Circuit consolidation was done by full stop landings with back track if necessary. It seldom was, even though in those days Leeds still had a "short" runway.
Having said that I once did more than a few T&Gs when I deduced that the Tower thought I had an instructor aboard. ;)

Well, I'm glad things have changed. The "old" way seems tougher on the student (and on the airframe!). Must have driven other pilots in the circuit mad...good for taxxiing practice though.

Relatively speaking, in those days there was bugger all traffic at Leeds.